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03-17-2012, 09:48 PM | #1 |
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2 piece rear main seal questions
It seems most people don't glue the two piece seal in place from the research I've done. If there is no adhesive, what would keep the seal from spinning? even if theres enough friction, wouldn't it be cheap insurance to put adhesive on the seal. Also, I see opinions vary on what to do where the ends of the pieces meet. My instructions don't call for anything but I've heard of people using everything from superglue to sealant here. Thoughts?
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03-18-2012, 12:21 AM | #2 |
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Re: 2 piece rear main seal questions
Any rubber joint i use a good sealant, intake corners etc...
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03-18-2012, 03:00 AM | #3 | |
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Re: 2 piece rear main seal questions
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I wouldn't mess with the standard procedure of putting them in dry with a dab of sealant on the staggered ends. With my luck the thickness of the adhesive under the seal would mess up the seal clearance with the crank and cause it to fail prematurely. It would suck to have to do that job again not too long from now when the new seal fails. I say play it safe and do the install like everybody else with no adhesive.
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03-18-2012, 10:36 AM | #4 |
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Re: 2 piece rear main seal questions
Ive always installed them dry. Main thing I make sure is that the ends of seals don't meet where main cap meets block. Spin seal so ends are staggered in relation to main cap and block joint.
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03-18-2012, 10:48 AM | #5 |
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Re: 2 piece rear main seal questions
I never saw one spin and Ive never put anything as far as sealing the joint either. I agree with 68 TT I'd be afraid to have something extra in there and mess up the clearance on the bearing cap. I wouldnt stagger the joint though,besides that the direction never included that fact ,that Ive ever seen, It seems like the compresion on the seal from tightning the bearing cap is what would keep it from leaking at the joint. That would not be the case if it was turned. I never had one leak after almost 30 years of working on old Chevys. Just my two cents.
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03-18-2012, 10:54 AM | #6 |
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Re: 2 piece rear main seal questions
putting sealant adhesive or other goop just makes more for work in the future// gazillion bazillion came off the assembly line dry i figure that is the best way to do it
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03-18-2012, 02:25 PM | #7 | |
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Re: 2 piece rear main seal questions
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Actually, I'm with ya cdowns, I normally think that if it's good enough for the factory, any "improvement" I make will probably only screw it up. But in this case, even the factory finally went to a one-piece seal in recognition of the fact that these suckers leaked often enough to be a topic of conversation. My own pers experience - I think the important thing is to make sure the ends are not aligned with the mating surface of the cap (as meatman mentioned above) - I gooned this once and, even with the above mentioned silicone, it leaked bad enough to tick me off. I tried the sneaky pete approach at a repair and I think I only made things worse. So, stagger - yes / silicone sealant - yes, but sparingly, and only where the ends of the halves meet. My 2 cents. Worth about 1 cent. |
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03-18-2012, 01:54 PM | #8 |
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Re: 2 piece rear main seal questions
Thanks guys! I put it in dry and made sure there was no trace of oil on the surface where it sits. I rotated it so the ends staggered 3/8". That was what was on the felpro instructions and what I heard most frequently.
Didn't seal the ends either.
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