Mecum prices

[MidLifer]

This just sold on Mecum for 24K:

http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_de...&entryRow=1286

Values goin' up!

[Tom Vogel]

Actually... thats a steal. It would cost at Least twice that to do a real complete resto. Just sayin.

[MARKDTN]

It is a real nice truck, but it is not a restoration (crate motor, vintage air, power windows, etc.) I wish people would call it a modernization or a complete rebuild. That would be more accurate. Seller probably lost money. Whoever bought it got a nice ride.

[Old Truck Man]

Those auctions are as fake as the realty TV shows. A lot of the cars are paid to be there. Many of the Phone bidders are shills. Sometimes the auction folks pretend they have a phone bidder to try and pump up the price to meet the reserve. lots of shill bidders in the audience & folks bidding on their own vehicles. They make the money from the advertising. very little is made from sales commissions. Its just a new take on the Dog & Pony Show.

[Daddy'O]

Originally Posted by Old Truck Man

Those auctions are as fake as the realty TV shows. A lot of the cars are paid to be there. Many of the Phone bidders are shills. Sometimes the auction folks pretend they have a phone bidder to try and pump up the price to meet the reserve. lots of shill bidders in the audience & folks bidding on their own vehicles. They make the money from the advertising. very little is made from sales commissions. Its just a new take on the Dog & Pony Show.

Have you ever attended a Mecum auction? Don't kid yourself - they make a lot of money from buyer and seller premiums. 8% from the buyer and 8% from the seller if he has a reserve, 5% is he has no reserve. I've been to several Mecum auctions over the last almost 4 years (bought and sold) and have never witnessed what you are suggesting. BTW, It's really alot of fun too!

[Old Truck Man]

Originally Posted by Daddy'O

Have you ever attended a Mecum auction? Don't kid yourself - they make a lot of money from buyer and seller premiums. 8% from the buyer and 8% from the seller if he has a reserve, 5% is he has no reserve. I've been to several Mecum auctions over the last almost 4 years (bought and sold) and have never witnessed what you are suggesting. BTW, It's really alot of fun too!

Ive never been to Mecums or Barrette Jackson And I never will. However I did attend one large collector car auction at the stadium in Jonesboro ark. The Smith guy who lives a Doniphan mo had several of his cars there. And his employees where bidding on them. They where back at his place the next week. Ive been to and bought a larve variety & amount of things at hundreds of auctions of all kinds. And there are all kinds of stunts pulled . its quite common. You don't perceive or notice because they are very good at it. They do it for a living day in & day out. I was watching chasing classic cars and one of waynes cars was being auctioned. Wayne even stated there was no bidder. He explained the Auction company was allowed to try to bump the car up past the reserve. Ill never go to a auction that charges a buyers fee. Its in my opinion not ethical. When both the buyer and seller pay a commission it creates a dual agency. the auction company is working for the seller its wrong to charge a buyer fee. its wrong to pump up the bids with shills or phone bids. And its really disrespectful the way the ring men & women get up in potential buyers faces. As PT Barnum said there is a fool born every minute.

[Daddy'O]

Originally Posted by Old Truck Man

Ive never been to Mecums or Barrette Jackson And I never will. However I did attend one large collector car auction at the stadium in Jonesboro ark. The Smith guy who lives a Doniphan mo had several of his cars there. And his employees where bidding on them. They where back at his place the next week. Ive been to and bought a larve variety & amount of things at hundreds of auctions of all kinds. And there are all kinds of stunts pulled . its quite common. You don't perceive or notice because they are very good at it. They do it for a living day in & day out. I was watching chasing classic cars and one of waynes cars was being auctioned. Wayne even stated there was no bidder. He explained the Auction company was allowed to try to bump the car up past the reserve. Ill never go to a auction that charges a buyers fee. Its in my opinion not ethical. When both the buyer and seller pay a commission it creates a dual agency. the auction company is working for the seller its wrong to charge a buyer fee. its wrong to pump up the bids with shills or phone bids. And its really disrespectful the way the ring men & women get up in potential buyers faces. As PT Barnum said there is a fool born every minute.

I understand - auctions aren't for everyone. I guess I'm a fool because if I had unlimited funds I could see myself having a blast traveling the USA and participating in them. The more I think about it, the more I realize - I am weird.

[Old Truck Man]

Originally Posted by Daddy'O

I understand - auctions aren't for everyone. I guess I'm a fool because if I had unlimited funds I could see myself having a blast traveling the USA and participating in them. The more I think about it, the more I realize - I am weird.

Yep that's the way the world works. Different strokes for different folks. I do buy at auctions. I even bought my 1600 sq ft store building with the attached 30 X30 shop at auction. Paid $6750.oo cash and it came with a 1/2 acre & well. At a up & up auction cash is more often than not king. My hoard is 99% made up from auction purchases. I look at something make up my mind how much Im willing to pay and do not exceed that amount. I go to a auction to get a bargain. I simply wont pay full price (all something is worth at auction) Ive learned if you cant buy something at your price walk away. Keep your money in your pocket something better will come along later that is a real bargain. If folks are actually paying those that seem to me exorbant auction prices. My opinion is they have more money or credit than brains. Makes me wonder that if they don't have any more business savvy than that how they ever got their wealth? Im guessing at those big mecum & berrette type auctions when you register and get a bidder number they check your credit and set you a line of credit. Ply you with free drinks and get ready to set the hook? Kinda like when you go to a casino? The estate auction I attended the week before last where I bought the 83 chev. There was a 69 Plymouth Roadrunner. 383 auto. only 23 thousand miles . Really Nice car looked & ran good likely low number 2 or high number 3cond. It sold for $17000.oo. One family member wanted to buy it and bid until they ran out of money.

[MidLifer]

I guess if you paid a pro to do it all at shop labor rates and source all your parts for you, it might. But I've seen nicer trucks sell on this board and elsewhere for $10k less. There have been plenty of threads on this board about the "Mecum effect" on prices. You get guys there buying with their egos, not their heads. That's why you sell at auction.

That truck doesn't have a ZZ502 crate engine, and the paint job doesn't look like anything special, and there's lots of things that make it far less than a 100-point resto. Now, this is a nice truck, don't get me wrong, but it's not Concours quality.

Heck, if I can pretty mine up like that and get $24K for it, I'm getting to work!

[davepl]

Originally Posted by MidLifer

But I've seen nicer trucks sell on this board and elsewhere for $10k less.

Gotta call you on that. Links?

If that was a real truck, it'd price out about that. But once the Chinese chrome goes on you're just making work for the next guy to take it all off :-)

Plus it's not the original motor and not original AC, who knows what else. So you're buying it for how it looks, not as a collector vehicle.

[leftybass209]

I see absolutely no misinformation in the ad compared to the pictures. The phrase a complete restoration is inferring it's been torn down and rebuilt using 99% new or reconditioned parts. The word "nicer" is very subjective and doesn't describe what the difference between a 14 and 25k truck is. I seen patina trucks with airbags and 20 ' s that I thought looked better than some restored stockers and vice versa, but that's a matter of opinion. The fact is this truck is worth what someone will pay but I've seen a decline in average prices here in CA, not an incline. The asking prices are getting taller, and the selling prices are getting shorter with what I've seen.

[71tahoe]

Originally Posted by leftybass209

I see absolutely no misinformation in the ad compared to the pictures. The phrase a complete restoration is inferring it's been torn down and rebuilt using 99% new or reconditioned parts. The word "nicer" is very subjective and doesn't describe what the difference between a 14 and 25k truck is. I seen patina trucks with airbags and 20 ' s that I thought looked better than some restored stockers and vice versa, but that's a matter of opinion. The fact is this truck is worth what someone will pay but I've seen a decline in average prices here in CA, not an incline. The asking prices are getting taller, and the selling prices are getting shorter with what I've seen.

Except by definition "restoration" means to put it back to original. So having the aftermarket air, power windows and door locks is a major deviation of "to original". I don't think restoration was put there to deceive, just that many people use that phrase incorrectly.

As for what it's worth? I'll have to agree with others that we'll know when it's sold. I've seen people pay more than what they can afford on stuff they don't need and have seen a millionaire in Harbor Freight trying to combine his coupons to get the most of his $3 purchase.

[Old Truck Man]

and its all good if everyones happy. Ive bought & sold lots of things from real estate, horses & livestock ect. but mostly its been truck , cars & parts. Its a necessity or me to purchase at a bargain. The profit for me is made in the purchase not in the sale. . I need to buy at a low enough price that who ever I sell to also buys at less than full value. I want my buyer to be able to make a good profit. That way he returns with more of his money. It takes a certain amount of skill to become a trader and even more skill to be able to trade with a trader. Ive sold a lot on craigs list. Ive sold a lot at those yearly FFA type auctions you see in the spring & fall. At Those auctions there is not a buyer fee. no consignment fee,s and if it don't sell you don't owe a dime. However if I take something to a sale I let it go no matter what. Ill let the item sell at a loss because I figure it brought all that it was worth at that time & place. The auctioneer and staff aren't apprasers and need the items to sell and I don't want someone working for nothing. When it comes down to it, if you have a reserve it really isn't a auction. A actual auction in my opinion is when something absoultly sells to the best bidder for cash at the appointed time & place No if,s and,s or buts of funny stuff. A month ago I took a Billy goat to the goat auction a Koskoknog Mo. I thought ole billy should bring $150.oo . however on that day there where plenty more than the usual number of billy goats for sale. Ole billy sold for $80 and I had $120 invested in him. I could have not sold him. However I don't think Thats fair & honest. The buyer simply got a real bargain. and I lost a few dollars.

[MidLifer]

[QUOTE=davepl;6673578]Gotta call you on that. Links?

recent post - shortbed ***K10*** (worth more than a C10) numbers matching for 11K asking - plenty of room there for bodywork, a show-quality paint job and whatever else you need before you get near the price that one **didn't** sell for:

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/c...swb-k10&cat=12

Don't have time to plow back through page after page, and frankly not in the mood to get into a pissing contest. I guess truck prices are one of those touchy issues now. I won't post about them again.

[Old Truck Man]

[quote=MidLifer;6676105]

Originally Posted by davepl

Gotta call you on that. Links?

recent post - shortbed ***K10*** (worth more than a C10) numbers matching for 11K asking - plenty of room there for bodywork, a show-quality paint job and whatever else you need before you get near the price that one **didn't** sell for:

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/c...swb-k10&cat=12

Don't have time to plow back through page after page, and frankly not in the mood to get into a pissing contest. I guess truck prices are one of those touchy issues now. I won't post about them again.

And It apparently sold for the 11K. The value of something is real simple it,s whatever price a seller & buyer agree on. A appraised value is quite another thing. Rarely are the appraised value and the actual selling price the same.

[Grumpy old man]

You have to consider the fact that many "buyers" have NO mechanical knowledge No time No equipment/tools or just NO interest in the process to build a nice truck for themselves , Many aren't as "educated" as the members in here on real value or desirable models/options and are more interested in creature comforts and late model technology than a stock restoration . If you really want the most money for your truck with no A/C don't try to sell it in Florida or your drum brake 6cyl in mountain country ,With Ebay and Craigslist being basically cheap or free you can advertise anywhere in the US and find more than a few "buyers" for what you have to sell .The big name auctions aren't ment for "nice driver trucks " show up with something special or Perfect and you will get crazy bids from the entitled immediate gratification crowd ! They will have it shipped home (they don't own trailers) and it will sit in their climate controlled garage under a cover until a perfect weather tailgate party day arrives ! And they will continue to raise the value of all our trucks ,Buy as many as you can store it's better interest than any bank pays !

[CC69Rat]

IMO - It's all about the look. I can see the truck bringing $24k..

Drop it, a set of big billets and it's a $35k+ truck.

[ujsf01]

Let's get real guys, at the end of the day any of them are "worth" whatever someone is willing to pay for it. I mean if someone's got a boner for a 1963 Pontiac Tempest (one of the ugliest cars ever made, to me) and you have one, what it's "worth" will probably go up drastically.

[leddzepp]

Originally Posted by ujsf01

Let's get real guys, at the end of the day any of them are "worth" whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

Yep, that's the bottom line. End of story. Case closed.

[Blazerowner]

If you do the work yourself you can have a paint job for around 1000 -1500 depending on materials. Price really depends on if you do it yourself and not have a shop charging 60-80 an hour and up selling parts and materials.

[Lee H]

I've been to Mecum's and B Jackson's. There are hundreds of people just chomping at the bit to spend money. They don't need sneaky deals or shrills, maybe 20 years ago but not today.

[slow-1]

Nice looking truck.

I watch those auction shows sometimes, in between the high dollar stuff they seem to have a few deals, real nice cars for much less than you could build em for...depends on what the bidders are looking for I guess

[Wrenchbender Ret]

I enjoy going to & watching auctions but if I was a buyer or seller at one of Mecums I couldn't take the way they get in your face to raise the bid or drop the reserve.
George

[leftybass209]

Originally Posted by Wrenchbender Ret

I enjoy going to & watching auctions but if I was a buyer or seller at one of Mecums I couldn't take the way they get in your face to raise the bid or drop the reserve.
George

By the look on some bidders faces they feel the same way you do.

[Daddy'O]

Originally Posted by Wrenchbender Ret

I enjoy going to & watching auctions but if I was a buyer or seller at one of Mecums I couldn't take the way they get in your face to raise the bid or drop the reserve.
George

Ha! They are intense aren't they? But that's the job of a bidder assistant and the seller representative. It's fast paced and the auction company won't make money if they don't sell the vehicle so they do push the bidders and sellers HARD! I understand and like the game so I go with the flow and truly enjoy it whether as a bidder, seller, or spectator. I guess I'm weird?