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bigd65 · 03-04-2003, 08:45 PM

i was thinking, they dont make a 1 piece window mod kit for our trucks because of the curved glass right. well i was SHOPPING today at my buddy's wrecking yard and was looking at a suburban , same year as our trucks. why cant we take the back windows (long ones on the rear) and have them cut to fit as a 1 piece.

it maybe to short, i dont know i didnt measure it but it sure seems like it was curved about the same as the front windows. is this an idea or just a meer whim and wont work. what do yall think. a glass co. should be able to cut it if you have a template right. well it was just a thought.

87 STEPPER · 03-04-2003, 08:54 PM

Im not shure about the lenght and even if it's long enough it still wont work cuz you cant cut tempered safety glass.

bigd65 · 03-04-2003, 08:59 PM

oh ok i didnt know that tempered safety glass could not be cut. guess i learn something new everyday

87 STEPPER · 03-04-2003, 09:05 PM

Yeah unless a new process has come out.

But a few years ago i was looking into this mod and went to an auto glass shop and asked about having a piece cut and that's what i was told it can't be drilled either

bigd65 · 03-04-2003, 09:51 PM

D A M , well it was worth a try

SCOTI · 03-04-2003, 10:11 PM

Is front windshield glass considered 'tempered safety glass' ? If so, I know of @ least one truck thats had the windshield cut down for a chop-top w/o breaking.

I know it didn't work on the first try, but the guy was willing to pay & they got it right on the second if my memory serves me correctly.

brad2 · 03-04-2003, 10:11 PM

I have had the same idea also. Even if the glass could be cut it most likely would not be tall enough. It is only as tall as the opening and would need to be just a little taller.

**swervin ervin** · 03-04-2003, 10:15 PM

Windsheilds are not tempered. They are saftey glass. I know you've seen them broken and they sort of stay together. Not sure about the back glass but the sides are tempered. A tempered glass will shatter into a million pieces when it breaks.

I forgot to mention, they do this on purpose. You need some way of escaping if you can't open the doors.

SCOTI · 03-04-2003, 10:51 PM

OK, I thought they were different, I just couldn't remember what the exact diff was. Thanks.

79BIG10 · 03-04-2003, 11:11 PM

I know the tempered glass all to well. I used to cut glass and people would bring in glass from old storm doors to be cut down for a window. I learned real wuick what was tempered and what was not. Like everyone said before you cannot sut safety or tempered glass.

One solution I know of is Plexiglass. It can be trimmed down, drilled, etc. Very easy to work with and easily trimmed. One thing though is it scratches easy. But anything is possible.

**swervin ervin** · 03-04-2003, 11:18 PM

Brandon,

I also know all too well about tempered glass. I was once installing a glass shower door, which are temepered for saftey reasons as you know. This door was around 700 bucks, before I forget. I was finishing up and had one more little tiny piece of plastic to put in at the bottom corner of the metal track where the glass fit in. I was done. You had to peck in it with a hammer. Well, I had to peck it one more time, just had to you know?

Picture this. I'm bent over pecking on the bottom of the metal door frame and all of a sudden, BOOM. Sounded like a shotgun went off. Glass goes all down my pants and all over the floor. It took me 30 minutes to get all the tiny pieces of glass up. It was a damn mess, not to mention I wasted $700.00.

79BIG10 · 03-04-2003, 11:27 PM

I know that feeling. We delivered some windows insulated double glass 3' wide and 8' tall. Then we had to take 2 and piece them together. Why someone wants a window section this big blows my mind!! Well we were drilling holes and doing fine until the last one and yeah you guessed it. Went to set it straight up (we here mounting while laying down on side) and it got away from us and both of us bailed and WHAM!!! The boss was not happy at all on that one.

**crossy** · 03-05-2003, 12:45 AM

safety glass can be cut (as in Chopped windshields) those long rear windows ARE safety glass and NOT tempered. There Was a cracked one in the burb I just sold . so measure them up:-) .DAVE

**Captkaos** · 03-05-2003, 04:35 PM

The rear glass on Suburbans are too short. The glass must extend past the window opening on top and bottom of opening, the glass in the rear is smaller than the opening for the seal to hold it in.

bigd65 · 03-05-2003, 05:38 PM

OH WELL i knew i couldnt be true. now i sit here and think, SURE NO ONE HAS THOUGHT OF THIS YET. yea right, well i tried.

**Captkaos** · 03-05-2003, 05:46 PM

I really shouldn't do this, but..... maybe I need the motivation.
It's not like I have multiple projects going on....
http://www.captkaoscustoms.com/images/one-piece.jpg

87 STEPPER · 03-05-2003, 05:49 PM

So is that lexan or plexi??

**Captkaos** · 03-05-2003, 06:21 PM

It is the beginning of what will eventually become a glass mold.

PHOENIX · 03-05-2003, 06:24 PM

Chris are you going to let us all know before the mold goes off to a glass company? Im sure you could get a few guys here to order some glass and even make a buck or two. I might be interested in 2 of each side, that way Id have a back up incase some @$$hole decides to brake one.

think about it !

**swervin ervin** · 03-05-2003, 06:26 PM

Capt, at the rate you get things done, we'll never see the one piece glass in our lifetime.

Let's see, if I remember correctly, when you started tearing Su down, you told me you would have it ready for the PF show the next year. Yeah right.

Just had to do it. Nothing like a good natured ribbing, right?

**Captkaos** · 03-05-2003, 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by PHOENIX
Chris are you going to let us all know before the mold goes off to a glass company? Im sure you could get a few guys here to order some glass and even make a buck or two. I might be interested in 2 of each side, that way Id have a back up incase some @$$hole decides to brake one.
think about it !

Actually I will have to have a number of orders before I take it to the people I spoke with. The end result has to be prefect as the first mold is going to be around $5000 for the same glass per side and it exponentially goes down per the number of orders. Plus the patent crap I need/want to go through.

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Originally posted by swervin ervin
Capt, at the rate you get things done, we'll never see the one piece glass in our lifetime.

Just had to do it. Nothing like a good natured ribbing, right?

hahahaha, hence my disclaimer in the last post about shouldn't do it.... Well, at the rate I have been going, you aren't far from the truth are you..

03-04-2003, 08:45 PM	#1
bigd65 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Lake Jackson, TX. Posts: 1,930	ponder this idea i was thinking, they dont make a 1 piece window mod kit for our trucks because of the curved glass right. well i was SHOPPING today at my buddy's wrecking yard and was looking at a suburban , same year as our trucks. why cant we take the back windows (long ones on the rear) and have them cut to fit as a 1 piece. it maybe to short, i dont know i didnt measure it but it sure seems like it was curved about the same as the front windows. is this an idea or just a meer whim and wont work. what do yall think. a glass co. should be able to cut it if you have a template right. well it was just a thought. __________________ 2004 Silverado Crewcab (Dark Spiral Gray)

03-04-2003, 08:54 PM	#2
87 STEPPER STILL PLAYS WITH TRUX Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Melbourne, Fla. Posts: 2,764	Im not shure about the lenght and even if it's long enough it still wont work cuz you cant cut tempered safety glass. __________________ ~~Bruce~~ MY 87 STEPPER MY 99 2D/WD TAHOE

03-04-2003, 08:59 PM	#3
bigd65 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Lake Jackson, TX. Posts: 1,930	oh ok i didnt know that tempered safety glass could not be cut. guess i learn something new everyday __________________ 2004 Silverado Crewcab (Dark Spiral Gray)

03-04-2003, 09:05 PM	#4
87 STEPPER STILL PLAYS WITH TRUX Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Melbourne, Fla. Posts: 2,764	Yeah unless a new process has come out. But a few years ago i was looking into this mod and went to an auto glass shop and asked about having a piece cut and that's what i was told it can't be drilled either __________________ ~~Bruce~~ MY 87 STEPPER MY 99 2D/WD TAHOE

03-04-2003, 09:51 PM	#5
bigd65 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Lake Jackson, TX. Posts: 1,930	D A M , well it was worth a try __________________ 2004 Silverado Crewcab (Dark Spiral Gray)

03-04-2003, 10:11 PM	#6
SCOTI Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: DALLAS,TX Posts: 21,942	Is front windshield glass considered 'tempered safety glass' ? If so, I know of @ least one truck thats had the windshield cut down for a chop-top w/o breaking. I know it didn't work on the first try, but the guy was willing to pay & they got it right on the second if my memory serves me correctly. __________________ 67SWB-B.B.RetroRod 64SWB-Recycle 89CCDually-Driver/Tow Truck 99CCSWB Driver All Fleetsides @rattlecankustoms in IG Building a small, high rpm engine with the perfect bore, stroke and rod ratio is very impressive. It's like a highly skilled Morrocan sword fighter with a Damascus Steel Scimitar..... *Cubic inches is like Indiana Jones with a cheap pistol.*

03-04-2003, 10:11 PM	#7
brad2 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: edmond, ok Posts: 1,058	I have had the same idea also. Even if the glass could be cut it most likely would not be tall enough. It is only as tall as the opening and would need to be just a little taller.

03-04-2003, 10:15 PM	#8
swervin ervin You get what you pay for Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Cherryville, NC Posts: 4,798	Windsheilds are not tempered. They are saftey glass. I know you've seen them broken and they sort of stay together. Not sure about the back glass but the sides are tempered. A tempered glass will shatter into a million pieces when it breaks. I forgot to mention, they do this on purpose. You need some way of escaping if you can't open the doors. __________________ Mike 1985 Chevy C-10

03-04-2003, 10:51 PM	#9
SCOTI Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: DALLAS,TX Posts: 21,942	OK, I thought they were different, I just couldn't remember what the exact diff was. Thanks. __________________ 67SWB-B.B.RetroRod 64SWB-Recycle 89CCDually-Driver/Tow Truck 99CCSWB Driver All Fleetsides @rattlecankustoms in IG Building a small, high rpm engine with the perfect bore, stroke and rod ratio is very impressive. It's like a highly skilled Morrocan sword fighter with a Damascus Steel Scimitar..... *Cubic inches is like Indiana Jones with a cheap pistol.*

03-04-2003, 11:11 PM	#10
79BIG10 I'm back with 2nd truck! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 3,775	I know the tempered glass all to well. I used to cut glass and people would bring in glass from old storm doors to be cut down for a window. I learned real wuick what was tempered and what was not. Like everyone said before you cannot sut safety or tempered glass. One solution I know of is Plexiglass. It can be trimmed down, drilled, etc. Very easy to work with and easily trimmed. One thing though is it scratches easy. But anything is possible. __________________ 1979 Chevrolet Bonanza Big10 "Tootsie Roll" 1985 Chevrolet Silverado (wife's) Member of the Southern Bowties Club "Don't underestimate how sexy a fat man who drinks to excess can be." Homer Simpson

03-04-2003, 11:18 PM	#11
swervin ervin You get what you pay for Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Cherryville, NC Posts: 4,798	Brandon, I also know all too well about tempered glass. I was once installing a glass shower door, which are temepered for saftey reasons as you know. This door was around 700 bucks, before I forget. I was finishing up and had one more little tiny piece of plastic to put in at the bottom corner of the metal track where the glass fit in. I was done. You had to peck in it with a hammer. Well, I had to peck it one more time, just had to you know? Picture this. I'm bent over pecking on the bottom of the metal door frame and all of a sudden, BOOM. Sounded like a shotgun went off. Glass goes all down my pants and all over the floor. It took me 30 minutes to get all the tiny pieces of glass up. It was a damn mess, not to mention I wasted $700.00. __________________ Mike 1985 Chevy C-10

03-04-2003, 11:27 PM	#12
79BIG10 I'm back with 2nd truck! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 3,775	I know that feeling. We delivered some windows insulated double glass 3' wide and 8' tall. Then we had to take 2 and piece them together. Why someone wants a window section this big blows my mind!! Well we were drilling holes and doing fine until the last one and yeah you guessed it. Went to set it straight up (we here mounting while laying down on side) and it got away from us and both of us bailed and WHAM!!! The boss was not happy at all on that one. __________________ 1979 Chevrolet Bonanza Big10 "Tootsie Roll" 1985 Chevrolet Silverado (wife's) Member of the Southern Bowties Club "Don't underestimate how sexy a fat man who drinks to excess can be." Homer Simpson

03-05-2003, 12:45 AM	#13
crossy Oh,you can't buy that new Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Pennsville,N.J. 08070, USA Posts: 2,039	safety glass can be cut (as in Chopped windshields) those long rear windows ARE safety glass and NOT tempered. There Was a cracked one in the burb I just sold . so measure them up:-) .DAVE __________________ "been there, done that, ruined the T-shirt". 2007 LBZ GMC Sierra, ECSB 2006 LM7 RCSB Silverado 98 Vortec project. 94,3500,6.5L 4L80 81 SWB GMC POS finally gone 73 Pinto, stock, w/CragarSS's-eww LOTS of Cummins trucks.

03-05-2003, 04:35 PM	#14
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	The rear glass on Suburbans are too short. The glass must extend past the window opening on top and bottom of opening, the glass in the rear is smaller than the opening for the seal to hold it in. __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com

03-05-2003, 05:38 PM	#15
bigd65 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Lake Jackson, TX. Posts: 1,930	OH WELL i knew i couldnt be true. now i sit here and think, SURE NO ONE HAS THOUGHT OF THIS YET. yea right, well i tried. __________________ 2004 Silverado Crewcab (Dark Spiral Gray)



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03-05-2003, 05:46 PM	#16
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	I really shouldn't do this, but..... maybe I need the motivation. It's not like I have multiple projects going on.... http://www.captkaoscustoms.com/images/one-piece.jpg __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com

03-05-2003, 05:49 PM	#17
87 STEPPER STILL PLAYS WITH TRUX Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Melbourne, Fla. Posts: 2,764	So is that lexan or plexi?? __________________ ~~Bruce~~ MY 87 STEPPER MY 99 2D/WD TAHOE

03-05-2003, 06:21 PM	#18
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	It is the beginning of what will eventually become a glass mold. __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com

03-05-2003, 06:24 PM	#19
PHOENIX Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 4,703	Chris are you going to let us all know before the mold goes off to a glass company? Im sure you could get a few guys here to order some glass and even make a buck or two. I might be interested in 2 of each side, that way Id have a back up incase some @$$hole decides to brake one. think about it ! __________________ * AVOID: LOPER'S PERMORANCE / LOPERSPEED.COM OF PHOENIX, AZ & COTTMAN TRANSMISSION *

03-05-2003, 06:26 PM	#20
swervin ervin You get what you pay for Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Cherryville, NC Posts: 4,798	Capt, at the rate you get things done, we'll never see the one piece glass in our lifetime. Let's see, if I remember correctly, when you started tearing Su down, you told me you would have it ready for the PF show the next year. Yeah right. Just had to do it. Nothing like a good natured ribbing, right? __________________ Mike 1985 Chevy C-10

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