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Bowtiefreak · 10-29-2003, 11:06 AM

Did 67s ever have side marker lights? or did they only start in 68.
Was the small window cabs only available in 67?

chevy_fatman · 10-29-2003, 11:11 AM

Side markers first showed up on '68, you could also get a big back window in '67 it was an option "panoramic window" was called.

I have also noticed some small window cabs on bigger trucks like C-50 and C-60 some as late as '81

72shadetree · 10-29-2003, 11:12 AM

67 didnt have marker lights and the small window was on a few 68 people will argue about the 68 small window but i have seen it and alot of others here have to i think when they changed production from 67 to 68 models the left over 67 cabs got 68 vin #s

Bowtiefreak · 10-29-2003, 11:13 AM

Was the small window ever offered in 68?

**CPNE** · 10-29-2003, 11:13 AM

#1, No.

#2, Debatable. The factory literature does not list a Panoramic (large) rear window as an option for 68 as it was in 67 (in 67 the small window was standard RPO). People claim they have documented small window 68's. So, was the big window an option in 68 and the small window standard, no. Were all 68's big windows? Probably not.

FYI, series 40-60 trucks used the small window cab after 67, that much is for sure.

Dan72cst · 10-29-2003, 03:23 PM

Just for information purposes:

My 68 has an option "Panoramic window" right on the build sheet. I can get the option number tonight if your interested.

Longhorn Man · 10-29-2003, 05:58 PM

Dan, is there anyway you can get a picture of the option sheet on that 68? Not calling BS on this, but if the VIN in fact shows a Panoramic window on the same sticker as the 68 VIN, that would shut all of us up on it.

Dan72cst · 10-29-2003, 06:15 PM

Longhornman,

I can get picture of the build sheet as the glove box sticker is long gone.

I still don't know what that proves??? This is a wierd one!

gr8scott51 · 10-29-2003, 06:16 PM

I don't have the sticker from the glove box, but my build sheet lists a panoramic window. I'll try to get it scanned (hard to do at work and I don't have a scanner).

Scott

Longhorn Man · 10-29-2003, 06:28 PM

That would be awsome if either of you can prove it.
If the VIN on the build sheet says 68, and it lists the option, then we would all know for a fact that it was an option.
I know I've seen too many trucks that have been pieced together to take things like that at face value. There is a 72 in town, and the driver swears that his small window is a 72 item. You can see the paint under the primer on the cab don't match the bed though.
I think it would be good info to have proof on, that is all.

toms68cst · 10-29-2003, 07:15 PM

I don't know that it would really prove anything if a 68 had the option listed on the build sheet. It could be that all 68's had the panoramic window listed automatically. It would be interesting to see it though.

**Canadian694x4** · 10-29-2003, 07:29 PM

Any Pics Yet?

**Classic Heartbeat** · 10-29-2003, 08:11 PM

Here it is listed on my 68 GMC build sheet. *A10 Panoramic R Window Vin #CE10D-ZB15613 Model #CE1590D. I tend to think like toms68cst thinks though, it was listed on all of the build sheets in 68. WES www.ClassicHeartbeat.com

**Classic Heartbeat** · 10-29-2003, 08:56 PM

Hopefully this part can be read.

Dan72cst · 10-29-2003, 11:07 PM

Wow Wes has a lot clearer picture than mine, but maybe someone can blow it up

Dan72cst · 10-29-2003, 11:08 PM

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Dan72cst · 10-29-2003, 11:27 PM

The VIN is KE248Z173938

Options:

*A10 PANORAMIC RR WDW
B98 SIDE TRIM MOULDNG
*D32 LH SHORT ARM MIR
*D34 RH SHORT ARM MIR
F76 FRT WHL LOOK HUBS
_50 HD REAR SPRINGS
L30 V8 ENG-327 CU IN
M20 4 SPEED TRANS
R78 F700X16X6 N T
R78 R700X16X6 N T
R78 S700X16X6 N T
V01 HD RADIATOR
Z53 AMP-OIL-TEM GAUG
Z62 CUSTOM C&C EQUIP
551 IVORY/GOLD
625 PARCH CLOTH TRIM

Hooter · 10-29-2003, 11:45 PM

the thing with build sheets from GM is that they list things as options even though they are standard. Kinda like in first gen montes, all the build sheets list disc brakes and clocks as options, even though they are standard

Longhorn Man · 10-30-2003, 12:21 AM

The interesting thing is, the window has an astric by the window listing, along with by the mirrors...and the mirrors were in fact standard.
The confusion continues.

**Classic Heartbeat** · 10-30-2003, 12:58 AM

It is my belief that the astoric signafied that it was a standard. WES www.ClassicHeartbeat.com

gr8scott51 · 10-30-2003, 01:21 AM

Yeah, mine reads the same *A10 PANORAMIC. But if the * meant that it was standard, why doesn't the paint color (520 LT YELLOW) have one, or the Z52 FULL FOAM SEAT, or the L25 L6 ENG-292 CU IN?

It is a mystery.

I'll take my build sheet to work tomorrow and scan it.

Scott

Longhorn Man · 10-30-2003, 01:41 AM

292 and foam seat were options...not standard, and there was no standard color.
I have to agree with you Wes.

gr8scott51 · 10-30-2003, 11:56 AM

What a bunch of dummies we are (except Wes). Look in the lower right hand corner of the build sheet. There is a legend. #=Body Shop; %=Trim Shop; *=Standard.

I guess that answers that.

Scott

toms68cst · 10-30-2003, 12:44 PM

Except me too???

**Classic Heartbeat** · 10-30-2003, 12:55 PM

Here is clear picture of the area gr8scott51 is talking about. So, I guess that answer to the question is large rear windows were the standard. So either small windows became the option, or anyone seeing a small window cab on a 68 must be seeing a truck that has had the cab changed. As a lot of people can know, that cabs and vins can be changed easily. So just because the vin matches the title and the 68 has a small window doesn't make it stock. I would have to see the vin number on the cab, frame, and build sheet along with something like the lack of the panoramic rear window option on the build sheet to convince me that a small window on a 68 cab was the real thing for that 68. Or someone would have to show me the small window option number for a 68. I think that I got that all strait... LOL

. WES www.ClassicHeartbeat.com

10-29-2003, 11:12 AM	#3
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10-29-2003, 11:13 AM	#4
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10-29-2003, 11:13 AM	#5
CPNE Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NH Posts: 6,664	#1, No. #2, Debatable. The factory literature does not list a Panoramic (large) rear window as an option for 68 as it was in 67 (in 67 the small window was standard RPO). People claim they have documented small window 68's. So, was the big window an option in 68 and the small window standard, no. Were all 68's big windows? Probably not. FYI, series 40-60 trucks used the small window cab after 67, that much is for sure. __________________ Currently on or near the homestead: 67 Chevy SWB 2WD stepside 350/3 on tree (Pat's) 67 GMC SWB 2WD Fleet 402/auto (Brian's under construction) 67 Chevy 3/4 ton 2WD 402/auto (Business Hauler) 67 Chevy 1 ton dually 2WD 396/4 speed (Former business hauler, Needs TLC) 68 Chevy 1/2 ton Suburban 2WD 250 six/3 on tree (Brian's Needs TLC) 70 Chevy 3/4 ton 4WD 350/4 speed (Pat's - Disguised as a 68 GMC) 71 Chevy SWB stepside (Crushed by tree - parts donor) 72 Chevy 3/4 ton 4WD (Parts donor) 72 Chevy 3/4 ton 4WD Suburban (Parts Donor) 72 GMC 3/4 ton 4WD 292 six/4 speed (Mine - Disguised as a 67 GMC) 81 GMC 4WD Dually Dump Body 350/4 speed (Business Hauler) 82 Camaro Z/28 355/Super T-10 (Pat's toy) 93 Caprice 9C1 (Brian's Cop Car) 02 Toyota Camry (Reliable but a souless steel and plastic hulk) 2011 2SS RS Camaro M6 Factory Hurst Shifter Maybe I need to sell some of this crap Yet another Bozo with a sawz-all

10-29-2003, 03:23 PM	#6
Dan72cst Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Lake Stevens,WA 98258 North of Seattle Posts: 833	Just for information purposes: My 68 has an option "Panoramic window" right on the build sheet. I can get the option number tonight if your interested. __________________ Marysville, WA (Dan72cst@hotmail.com) 72 4wd Blazer CST 350/350 72 4wd Chevy LWB 350/350 68 2wd Chevy LWB 327/400

10-29-2003, 06:15 PM	#8
Dan72cst Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Lake Stevens,WA 98258 North of Seattle Posts: 833	Longhornman, I can get picture of the build sheet as the glove box sticker is long gone. I still don't know what that proves??? This is a wierd one! __________________ Marysville, WA (Dan72cst@hotmail.com) 72 4wd Blazer CST 350/350 72 4wd Chevy LWB 350/350 68 2wd Chevy LWB 327/400

10-29-2003, 11:06 AM	#1
Bowtiefreak Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LeRoy, Mich. Posts: 854	2 questions about 67s Did 67s ever have side marker lights? or did they only start in 68. Was the small window cabs only available in 67? __________________ 1968 Chevy C10 Short Fleetside/Wood floor ECE 4-6 Drop / 406 Small Block 1971 Chevelle 427 Big Block

10-29-2003, 11:11 AM	#2
chevy_fatman Where's my beer? Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in the state of denial.... Posts: 5,621	Side markers first showed up on '68, you could also get a big back window in '67 it was an option "panoramic window" was called. I have also noticed some small window cabs on bigger trucks like C-50 and C-60 some as late as '81

10-29-2003, 05:58 PM	#7
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Dan, is there anyway you can get a picture of the option sheet on that 68? Not calling BS on this, but if the VIN in fact shows a Panoramic window on the same sticker as the 68 VIN, that would shut all of us up on it.

10-29-2003, 06:16 PM	#9
gr8scott51 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 1,839	same here I don't have the sticker from the glove box, but my build sheet lists a panoramic window. I'll try to get it scanned (hard to do at work and I don't have a scanner). Scott __________________ Silence is golden, duct tape is silver. - Scott

10-29-2003, 06:28 PM	#10
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	That would be awsome if either of you can prove it. If the VIN on the build sheet says 68, and it lists the option, then we would all know for a fact that it was an option. I know I've seen too many trucks that have been pieced together to take things like that at face value. There is a 72 in town, and the driver swears that his small window is a 72 item. You can see the paint under the primer on the cab don't match the bed though. I think it would be good info to have proof on, that is all.

10-29-2003, 07:15 PM	#11
toms68cst Registered User Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Bismarck, ND Posts: 4,282	I don't know that it would really prove anything if a 68 had the option listed on the build sheet. It could be that all 68's had the panoramic window listed automatically. It would be interesting to see it though. __________________ Unrestored 68 C-10 CST. Original 327. 4-Speed CH465. 50k or so miles. TREASURER, Drum Brake Club.

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10-29-2003, 08:11 PM	#13
Classic Heartbeat Project Junkie! Fishing Poor!! Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Olympia,Wa. 98512 Posts: 10,770	Here it is listed on my 68 GMC build sheet. A10 Panoramic R Window Vin #CE10D-ZB15613 Model #CE1590D. I tend to think like toms68cst thinks though, it was listed on all of the build sheets in 68. WES www.ClassicHeartbeat.com __________________ On-line catolog Classic Heartbeat Pickup Parts* WEHEPP@comcast.net Call us Toll Free (888) 338-2502 Like Us on Facebook No appointment necessary. 72 BB Chevy Custom Deluxe / Custom Camper 67 I-6 (Soon to be 5.7 LS1) Panel 68 BB Chevy Short Bed 72 6.0 LQ9 Short Bed Chevy 4X4 Olympia's fastest growing truck parts supplier. Olympia's home for Wayward Chevys Last edited by Classic Heartbeat; 10-04-2007 at 07:08 PM.

10-29-2003, 08:56 PM	#14
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10-29-2003, 11:07 PM	#15
Dan72cst Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Lake Stevens,WA 98258 North of Seattle Posts: 833	Wow Wes has a lot clearer picture than mine, but maybe someone can blow it up Attached Images __________________ Marysville, WA (Dan72cst@hotmail.com) 72 4wd Blazer CST 350/350 72 4wd Chevy LWB 350/350 68 2wd Chevy LWB 327/400



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10-29-2003, 11:08 PM	#16
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10-29-2003, 11:27 PM	#17
Dan72cst Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Lake Stevens,WA 98258 North of Seattle Posts: 833	The VIN is KE248Z173938 Options: A10 PANORAMIC RR WDW B98 SIDE TRIM MOULDNG D32 LH SHORT ARM MIR D34 RH SHORT ARM MIR F76 FRT WHL LOOK HUBS _50 HD REAR SPRINGS L30 V8 ENG-327 CU IN M20 4 SPEED TRANS R78 F700X16X6 N T R78 R700X16X6 N T R78 S700X16X6 N T V01 HD RADIATOR Z53 AMP-OIL-TEM GAUG Z62 CUSTOM C&C EQUIP 551 IVORY/GOLD 625 PARCH CLOTH TRIM __________________ Marysville, WA (Dan72cst@hotmail.com) 72 4wd Blazer CST 350/350 72 4wd Chevy LWB 350/350 68 2wd Chevy LWB 327/400 Last edited by Dan72cst; 10-30-2003 at 09:58 AM.*

10-29-2003, 11:45 PM	#18
Hooter My other Love Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Castlegar B.C. Canada Posts: 4,085	the thing with build sheets from GM is that they list things as options even though they are standard. Kinda like in first gen montes, all the build sheets list disc brakes and clocks as options, even though they are standard __________________ Castlegar B.C.The great white North (Canada Eh!) Hooter_5@hotmail.com First generation Monte Carlo club pictures of my life

10-30-2003, 12:21 AM	#19
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	The interesting thing is, the window has an astric by the window listing, along with by the mirrors...and the mirrors were in fact standard. The confusion continues.

10-30-2003, 12:58 AM	#20
Classic Heartbeat Project Junkie! Fishing Poor!! Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Olympia,Wa. 98512 Posts: 10,770	It is my belief that the astoric signafied that it was a standard. WES www.ClassicHeartbeat.com __________________ On-line catolog Classic Heartbeat Pickup Parts WEHEPP@comcast.net Call us Toll Free (888) 338-2502 Like Us on Facebook No appointment necessary. 72 BB Chevy Custom Deluxe / Custom Camper 67 I-6 (Soon to be 5.7 LS1) Panel 68 BB Chevy Short Bed 72 6.0 LQ9 Short Bed Chevy 4X4 Olympia's fastest growing truck parts supplier. Olympia's home for Wayward Chevys

10-30-2003, 01:21 AM	#21
gr8scott51 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 1,839	same thing Yeah, mine reads the same A10 PANORAMIC. But if the meant that it was standard, why doesn't the paint color (520 LT YELLOW) have one, or the Z52 FULL FOAM SEAT, or the L25 L6 ENG-292 CU IN? It is a mystery. I'll take my build sheet to work tomorrow and scan it. Scott __________________ Silence is golden, duct tape is silver. - Scott

10-30-2003, 01:41 AM	#22
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	292 and foam seat were options...not standard, and there was no standard color. I have to agree with you Wes.

10-30-2003, 11:56 AM	#23
gr8scott51 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 1,839	dummies What a bunch of dummies we are (except Wes). Look in the lower right hand corner of the build sheet. There is a legend. #=Body Shop; %=Trim Shop; *=Standard. I guess that answers that. Scott __________________ Silence is golden, duct tape is silver. - Scott

10-30-2003, 12:44 PM	#24
toms68cst Registered User Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Bismarck, ND Posts: 4,282	Except me too??? __________________ Unrestored 68 C-10 CST. Original 327. 4-Speed CH465. 50k or so miles. TREASURER, Drum Brake Club.

10-30-2003, 12:55 PM	#25
Classic Heartbeat Project Junkie! Fishing Poor!! Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Olympia,Wa. 98512 Posts: 10,770	Here is clear picture of the area gr8scott51 is talking about. So, I guess that answer to the question is large rear windows were the standard. So either small windows became the option, or anyone seeing a small window cab on a 68 must be seeing a truck that has had the cab changed. As a lot of people can know, that cabs and vins can be changed easily. So just because the vin matches the title and the 68 has a small window doesn't make it stock. I would have to see the vin number on the cab, frame, and build sheet along with something like the lack of the panoramic rear window option on the build sheet to convince me that a small window on a 68 cab was the real thing for that 68. Or someone would have to show me the small window option number for a 68. I think that I got that all strait... LOL . WES www.ClassicHeartbeat.com __________________ On-line catolog Classic Heartbeat Pickup Parts WEHEPP@comcast.net Call us Toll Free (888) 338-2502 Like Us on Facebook No appointment necessary. 72 BB Chevy Custom Deluxe / Custom Camper 67 I-6 (Soon to be 5.7 LS1) Panel 68 BB Chevy Short Bed 72 6.0 LQ9 Short Bed Chevy 4X4 Olympia's fastest growing truck parts supplier. Olympia's home for Wayward Chevys Last edited by Classic Heartbeat; 10-04-2007 at 07:08 PM.

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