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New project! The "Red Herring"
Just dragged this one home today:
![]() 1950 GMC 100. I'm branching out from the 67-72 world a bit ![]() Anyways, it's an original shortbed, 4 speed, the motor was rebuilt in '97 or so and actually runs pretty darn good. The brakes were gone over, but the fuel tank and lines are shot and there's no bed anymore. Also was "converted" to 12v at some point - the ignition won't shut the motor off, add on blinkers don't work, and the heater and wipers appear to be unhooked. The body is in pretty good shape, aside from a few dents and a LOT of paint on it, so far it looks like I just need to do cab corners, the front lower pillar at the inner fender on the driver's side, and floor pan patches. I'm calling it "Red Herring" because it's a secret build my Dad and I are doing for my Mom, which will be a surprise (hopefully) in the spring. Most likely, plan is to do an S10 chassis swap with an LC9 5.3 / 4L60E combo, more modern leather seat, and otherwise leave it just the way it was. Mom loves the vintage look, just not turning wrenches on them. Though I admit, I'm thinking about putting a bed on it and tooling around with it just the way it is for a bit! Right now, it's tucked back in the corner of my garage, waiting for some space when I get my '63 Buick project in gear. Stay tuned! ![]() ![]()
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Re: New project! The "Red Herring"
Im in ,looks like a solid start .
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Re: New project! The "Red Herring"
Nice find and will be a cool gift for your Mom. Great idea!
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the body looks good, decent start to a project ![]()
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Re: New project! The "Red Herring"
Excited to get started, thanks guys!
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So I was going over all the paperwork getting ready to get a new title for the truck last night, and ran into a problem. The current title I have is assigned using the engine serial number instead of the cab serial??? No idea why they did that. The story I got was that this truck got put up in a barn somewhere many many years ago, and the owner previous to the one I bought it from pulled it out of that barn and rebuilt the engine and drove it around (I have receipts for the motor in 1997) - it appears it didn't have a title at that point, and that it was issued to the engine serial. That gentleman passed away in 2011, and the previous owner to me bought the truck from his estate - then never did anything with it, including getting a title. So I just bought it from them, with a signed title from the estate sale now filled out to me. I'm now jumping through hoops with the DMV to try and get the title re-issued with the cab serial on it, since I want to change the engine ![]()
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Re: New project! The "Red Herring"
Unless you already have a donor truck, why not just add a MII front? Your frame looks like it would be OK.
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![]() ![]() ![]() I haven't gotten dug into it yet, but I suspect the front may be similar. That said, for the intended purpose for this truck, I'd rather use a factory engineered frame, suspension and brake set-up and be less concerned about non-mechanically inclined drivers. Also, ease of service is a factor, and cheapness of good clean frame donors around here.
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Re: New project! The "Red Herring"
I retract my previous question...
![]() If you haven't found it yet, Skymangs has an excellent write-up of the S-10 swap. here's the link... http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=632686 |
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Cool truck. Gonna watch your build. That's my next build.
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Nice scores...love the LS and look forward to updates. Column looks to be the perfect length too.
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Re: New project! The "Red Herring"
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![]() Tonight, finished removing the seat riser: ![]() ![]() Also, both sides, the floor pan is cracked right where the corner of the seat riser was. Is this common? ![]()
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I wouldn't say in was commom, but it depends on the area your in, and how bad they rust. Mine was solid in that area, but forward it was bad...Jim
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Re: New project! The "Red Herring"
More progress today.
![]() ![]() The inside of the driver's roof pillar had been previously cut for reasons that are inexplicable to me - they didn't fix the dent on the other side? I'm nearly there ![]() Melted out all the body lead in preparation for repairing the cowl - I was going to leave the pillar-roof seams, but it was cracked on both sides. ![]() ![]() ![]() Pleased to find no rust under the lead.
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Re: New project! The "Red Herring"
Making some real ... progress??
Door braces installed: ![]() ![]() ![]() My doors fit nicely (other than needing the strikers replaced) at this point so I didn't want to mess with any of the alignment No turning back now ![]() Passenger's side, getting ready to replace the rocker panel and support ![]() ![]() Hopefully will get a few hours during the week to keep plugging away
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Re: New project! The "Red Herring"
Scored a 30k mile wrecking yard trans from a 2010 truck:
![]() More progress on patching up the passenger's side. Rocker and floor test fit: ![]() Sectioning out the rot in hinge pillar: ![]() ![]() New pieces made ![]() Welded in ![]() And all blended ![]() ![]() Last thing I did tonight was start fitting my replacement kick panel. These repo ones are thicker than the originals, and I am happy for that. The curve at the bottom of the pillar leaves something to be desired, but there is enough metal to bend it into a better fit so I am reasonably satisfied ![]()
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Nice work! Cab will be looking new soon. Nice score on the low mile transmission.
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![]() Making more progress tonight. Welded in a patch on the heater vent opening and rebuilt the lip ![]() ![]() Then, I fit the passenger's floor patch ![]() ![]() As you can see, there wasn't much left of the floor at all near the kick panel, so I need to fab up a patch for the upper 6" or so. I'm not terribly happy with the way the floor fits right now - it wants to sit about 3/4" inboard of and about 5/8" lower than the edge of the hinge pillar it should mate to. I know I need to tweak the angle at the toeboard a bit, but I'm also suspicious that my cab is twisted a bit. Likewise, after doing some poking around the rear cab mounts, I decided I would be well served to replace them and the rear floor as well. It's rusted and bent in multiple places.
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Good fitting on the patches. Great looking Wildcat you have there too. Did you get it painted yet?
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Re: New project! The "Red Herring"
I wish! The Wildcat is in suspended status at the moment, I reached a point where I concluded that the body needs to come off the frame to fix it correctly and I decided to focus on getting this truck done so I can get it out of the garage and have more space for the Buick.
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Page two - this means I've made it as a project, right??
![]() I had the day off work - spent most of the morning cutting out the floor pan I tacked in last night, making some fit adjustments, and resetting it. I just couldn't get things to line up to my satisfaction. Glad I caught it now! Once that was set, I made a patch for the upper floor and firewall at the kick panel: ![]() Planning to use a Vintage Air unit so I don't need the outer heater hole. All tacked in: ![]() Fully welded the upper portion and ground mostly flush (going to be behind the firewall insulator and I didn't think I'd be able to do it with the kick panel in - in fact I could hardly do it with the kick panel out!) ![]() Kick panel tacked in: ![]() Overall shot, with the rocker and cab mount set in place for positioning and line-up: ![]() Final parting shot: ![]() Just two pieces left to make for this side!
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Re: New project! The "Red Herring"
A little more progress tonight.
Drilled for spot welds on the kick panel ![]() Spot welds done ![]() Fitted and tacked in the bottom of the kick panel. Other than finishing up the seams, not much left to do here. ![]()
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Re: New project! The "Red Herring"
For a whole lot of work, not a whole lot of visual:
Driver's front pillar fully welded ![]() And the money shot. Front floor pans are done. The little gap at the back of the trans opening was a real pain to make a patch for. ![]() Sorry if my pictures are a little wonky, I bought a new "rugged" Panasonic camera and it broke the 3rd time I used it. Of course they tell me I was "mishandling" it so they voided the warranty. Long way of saying I'm using a camera with a broken view screen, so it's a little hard to tell what I'm shooting at ![]()
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Re: New project! The "Red Herring"
Also apparently I haven't mentioned I've had a change of direction as far as the chassis for the truck goes:
![]() I picked that up yesterday for a song. The more I looked at the S10 swap setup the less happy I was with it. I'm now going to be doing a frame swap for a hybrid - 67-72 2WD short rear frame with coils with the G-body front clip. The G-body uses the same control arms, spindles, and springs as the 2WD S10, but the track width and engine cradle are 4" wider which makes for no front wheel spacers and an easier install for the LS engine. Plus it should get the steering box (which is a quick ratio like the ZQ8) out of the way of my radiator ![]()
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Nice, that is looking like a solid truck floor now!
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Re: New project! The "Red Herring"
Thanks AD!
I spent a bunch of time today fighting with the inner cowl filler panel. If I'd just come on here and searched, I'd have found out that I need to cut it apart to make it fit ... Ah well, live and learn ![]() Got the front cab mount spot welded in, seam welded the bottom of the kick panel to the floorpan, and welded in the front of the rocker panel. Fitment is good, very happy. ![]() ![]() Tomorrow I'm going to start de-constructing the driver's side. I'm hoping to get both parts of the front floor patched up, then I will switch gears and install the rear floor pan kit I got from Absolute Sheetmetal.
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