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70Custom10
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Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
Just went down to Denver yesterday and on the way home stopped to see my grandfather. He was cleaning out the garage when i pulled up and gave me a few things like and engine stand and a Fish Carburetor. He said he got 22mpg out of a 410? olds motor. Anybody ever heard of these carbs and their reliability/power/ridiculous mpg ratings? All the articles Ive dug up keep talking about 100+ mpg off most any V8.
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
just did some research on 'em. The 100+ mpg claim is totally bogus, nor did Fish ever claim that. He did claim that is was a more efficient design than any other carb out there, and that was true.
From what I see, a Fish carb is an incredibly simple design (only 17 parts, 1 gasket, and 3 moving parts). Works pretty well for racing, or so I see. I'd love to try one out on my truck, see if I can hit 18-20 mpg, but, alas, a "new" one costs $850. ![]()
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
sounds pretty cool
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
that's why they call it fishin and not catchin
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
ok.
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Its a Truck Thing......
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
Yeah,
Cant get past that $850 price tag......I have never heard of it either, I go through the summit and Jegs catalogs, even LMC never saw it. Ill look and see if JC whitney promotes it..... Also supprised that during the $4-5 bucks a gallon spike a couple years ago didnt get this air time,,unless it was just a local product. Smitty
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70Custom10
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
Right now im trying to find an intake I can bolt it up to. It doesnt match my 2bbl.
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
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Its a Truck Thing......
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
Sorry, Never heard of it till this post...... Smitty
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
My favorite "gas saver" was the natural herbal pill you were supposed to drop in your gas tank and get 25-50% better mileage. It turned out they were moth balls imported from Mexico.
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
Pretty much like a Predator carb. Simple, yes. Fuel efficient, no.
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
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Somebody should keep track. First its the 100+ mpg carb that big oil and big car companies bought the rights to. Then we'll hear about the magnets on the gas line. Then we'll hear about injecting hydrogen into the carb. Then we'll hear about the air cleaner that swirls the air and improves mileage. Then we'll hear about the split fire spark plugs that studies have shown improve mileage. Folks its a broken record that gets spinning when gas goes up. With today's fleet fuel mileage requirements do you really think a car company is going to keep something that gets 100+ mpg on the shelf? When Ford says use 5w-20 because it gives them an across the board 0.1% increase in fuel mileage do you think they are sitting on a 100mpg carb? When Chevrolet shuts down extra cylinders at cruise on the highway do you think they are sitting on a 100 mpg carb? What did P. T. Barnum say? "There is a sucker born every minute" And those suckers buy lots of the above mentioned products. [I'm not saying the fish carb isn't a fine working carb, I'm just saying that it won't get 100+ mpg in a 5000 pound truck]
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
You will be a lot closer with fuel injection. My '83 K20 started life with the base 350, 3.42 gears, 700R4. It got 14 mpg city and 17 highway. At 150,000 miles a cam lobe went down. I swapped in a stone stock L98 Corvette TPI engine. Now I get 17/19 mpg and the driveability is much improved. On a 305 you might get a touch better. TPI is really optomized for a 305. I had a 305/5-sp/3.54 IROC Camaro that got 17-18 city and 20-21 highway.
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
The O2 sensor setups are very common on "tuner" cars and referred to as widebands. Most common ones found are the AEM Uego and Innovate LC1. Autometer, NGK, and others also produce them. They are called widebands because they work on a 0-5v signal instead of the 'narrowband' 0-1v signal found in most oem setups. Some oem vehicles have widebands from the factory. I personally run the AEM Uego.
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
Wonder if Barney Miller used one?
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
A friend of mine is an engineer at Ford and specializes in port fuel-injection system design. We have had many conversations regarding carburetors, fuel-injection, fuel mix ratios, etc. My wife doesn't hang around long when we talk. Basically, gasoline engines operate properly when the optimum mixture of fuel and air is maintained. These guys get into enormous detail but it comes down to mixing the best/optimum amount of fuel with a given (or measured) amount of air. He admitted the best performing carburetor for road-driven vehicles is a properly set-up Quadrajet. Their testing shows a Q-Jet can approach port fuel-injection performance and economy.
Claims of dramatically better fuel economy with different gadgets aren't real. My friend did convince me to buy a digital read-out system for carburetor set-up. These devices rely on an O2 sensor (you have to weld a bung into the exhaust pipe) to give you a mixture readout. With this and a setup procedure for the Q-jet, you can feel good about your carb performance. Indiana does not require any testing of tailpipe emissions, but I'll bet the mixture device could help you nail a lean setup that would aid in passing a sniff test. |
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
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Edit: i just went to the website and dont see any pricing. What do those usually run if you dont mind my asking? Last edited by blazerboy_4life; 02-07-2011 at 02:47 PM. Reason: added a question |
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Re: Anybody ever heard of "Fish" Carburetors and their supposed 100+mpg??
theirs plenty of carbs produing 100mpg, but their all bolted to mopeds and scooters!
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