Custom Camper question

[nobolt]

i now understand that some '71-'72 chevys as well as GMC's had "Custom Camper" door emblems.
if a chevy has the door emblems, what is the correct emblem for the fenders? "Custom/30" or "CustomCamper/30"?
thanks guys!

[special-K]

Only '72 Chevys had the Custom Camper door scripts. The fenders will have whatever trim level the truck is...Custom,Custom Deluxe,Cheyenne,or Cheyenne Super. The Custom Camper/20 & 30 door badges were 69-71. In '69 Chevy offered a Custom Camper/10 as well.

[sodly]

In '69 Chevy offered a Custom Camper/10 as well.[/QUOTE]

Is this correct? I'm coming from the 60-66 area and was not aware that GM ever made a 1/2 Custom Camper. I know Ford did for a few years in the mid-60s but you rarely see them. Anyone have more info on this?

[SS Tim]

Originally Posted by sodly

"In '69 Chevy offered a Custom Camper/10 as well."

Is this correct? I'm coming from the 60-66 area and was not aware that GM ever made a 1/2 Custom Camper. I know Ford did for a few years in the mid-60s but you rarely see them. Anyone have more info on this?

Yes Z81 was offered on 67, 68 and 69 C/10s with the usual equipment requirements, K/10s as well.

As camper carriers C/10s are a very low capacity. Basically just a shell running 200-300lb is the recommendation in the RV guide.

[factorystock]

Originally Posted by sodly

Anyone have more info on this?

Yes the 10's existed during the '67-'69 era, but soon disappeared for the same reasons the Ford 100's disappeared, much too low of a weight capacity for campers. The one thing to remember was the '65-'66 Chevy Custom campers included many comfort, convenience and appearance items included standard in the package, after '66, the custom camper was basically a heavy duty suspension package. Believe it or not, large mirrors were not even part of the package in '67, while they were included in '66. Chevy wanted you to order up a vehicle from a suggested options list in the later years.

[too much stuff]

sodly, 69-70 chevy emblems.
Tim, i agree with factory stock that gmc was using the script emblems in 68

[sodly]

Originally Posted by factorystock

Yes the 10's existed during the '67-'69 era, but soon disappeared for the same reasons the Ford 100's disappeared, much too low of a weight capacity for campers. The one thing to remember was the '65-'66 Chevy Custom campers included many comfort, convenience and appearance items included standard in the package, after '66, the custom camper was basically a heavy duty suspension package. Believe it or not, large mirrors were not even part of the package in '67, while they were included in '66. Chevy wanted you to order up a vehicle from a suggested options list in the later years.

Cool beans! Who knew? Well, I didn't. Factorystock knows that I have a 66 Ford F100 Camper Special and I always thought GM never made a comparable product. Should've known better. Don't recall ever seeing one, though. I know the 1/2 Ford Camper Specials are pretty rare.

[ClassicTVMan1981X]

And... the 1967-68 models had a 1966-style logo on the front fenders, only with "Custom Camper" where the tonnage designator would be.

~Ben

[SS Tim]

Originally Posted by ClassicTVMan1981X

And... the 1967-68 models had a 1966-style logo on the front fenders, only with "Custom Camper" where the tonnage designator would be.

~Ben

Just to be clear on Chevrolets.
67-68 "Custom Camper" fender emblem
69-71 "CustomCamper/XX" 10-30 fender emblem
72 "Custom Camper" door script

[nobolt]

thanks Tim,
i guess i will keep my door scripts to use on the '72. i cobbled them together from 3 emblem lots. i was going to sell them to a GMC owner but i think i'll use them.

[DeadheadNM]

Tim - the pic of the 72 emblem above doesn't appear to show the correct location as seen here. I'm researching placement now getting ready to add these emblems on my K20. The factory manual doesn't give great info for hole location relative to the edge of the door. Pete

[leddzepp]

I have seen and removed them in various locations on the door.

[DeadheadNM]

Originally Posted by leddzepp

I have seen and removed them in various locations on the door.

LOL! Maybe that's because the GM schematic isn't exactly clear on distance from door edge. I haven't seen one installed as close to the door edge above in combing through pics though.

[SS Tim]

Originally Posted by DeadheadNM

LOL! Maybe that's because the GM schematic isn't exactly clear on distance from door edge. I haven't seen one installed as close to the door edge above in combing through pics though.

Actually it is very clear where the emblems are to be located. The problem is that you are not using the same reference system.

The emblems are not located off an "edge" but are referenced from specific locations. This is done using a common Cartesian coordinate system. To keep things simple on these drawings it is a location aft and up from fixed "0" locations. Unfortunately these reference points are not common knowledge. But you can, through diligence, locate production hole/s to use as local reference.

In this case it is very clear where the driver's side emblem ends and the passenger side starts.

They are both 0.38" AFT of station 50.

As your good luck would have it the upper (belt) door molding has a hole at station 50.

So all you really need to do is make a layout template for the pin holes using the factory spacing and vertical differences from a fixed waterline reference, 35 in this case.

Then position it using the hole at 50 as you fore and aft locator.

Can't help you with the waterline 35 as to exact location but if I were to guess I would say it is very close to 6.06" up from that very same molding hole at 50. The molding is down 1.06" from 30. Convention says this is likely an inch based system so 35 is probably 5" above 30 as projected.

Since the emblems are down 1.27- 1.41" from the 35 waterline it locates comfortably in the radius above the door panel where we expect to see it as in the pictures.

Hope this helps, if needed or to donate dog food please contact me.

[ApacheIvan]

Originally Posted by SS Tim

Actually it is very clear where the emblems are to be located. The problem is that you are not using the same reference system.

The emblems are not located off an "edge" but are referenced from specific locations. This is done using a common Cartesian coordinate system. To keep things simple on these drawings it is a location aft and up from fixed "0" locations. Unfortunately these reference points are not common knowledge. But you can, through diligence, locate production hole/s to use as local reference.

In this case it is very clear where the driver's side emblem ends and the passenger side starts.

They are both 0.38" AFT of station 50.

As your good luck would have it the upper (belt) door molding has a hole at station 50.

So all you really need to do is make a layout template for the pin holes using the factory spacing and vertical differences from a fixed waterline reference, 35 in this case.

Then position it using the hole at 50 as you fore and aft locator.

Can't help you with the waterline 35 as to exact location but if I were to guess I would say it is very close to 6.06" up from that very same molding hole at 50. The molding is down 1.06" from 30. Convention says this is likely an inch based system so 35 is probably 5" above 30 as projected.

Since the emblems are down 1.27- 1.41" from the 35 waterline it locates comfortably in the radius above the door panel where we expect to see it as in the pictures.

Hope this helps, if needed or to donate dog food please contact me.

Hmmm.. I am going to resurrect this thread for some help. I dont have "belt" molding holes as reference. Has anyone measured these holes from the top of the door and from the edge? I am about to "eye" it and call it a day. But if someone can give me some initial markings it would be appreciated. The 35 waterfall mark from the top edge would be a good starting place maybe.

[DeadheadNM]

Wow Tim that's a huge help. Thanks! Here's another I had saved, which shows a more remote location from the edge. Pete

[special-K]

Yup. Maybe some seen were added in an improper location. OR...perhaps those are from Janesville. You know how they are with their emblem locations

[SS Tim]

Originally Posted by special-K

Yup. Maybe some seen were added in an improper location. OR...perhaps those are from Janesville. You know how they are with their emblem locations

Both are very possible. Dealer added emblems would have been surely possible and owner additions as well. But I suspect many more were peeled off than added.
A plant variation is a very real and likely possibility. Several of my pictures were of known Freemont "Z" assembled trucks. If you find a forward emblem location, try and determine the assembly plant for us.

[DeadheadNM]

Here are the SPIDs for the green and blue trucks both OEM CC badged C20s. Fremont trucks?

[DeadheadNM]

No Flint trucks....

[DeadheadNM]

My truck is a Flint truck - now what should I do Any more Flint examples?

[leddzepp]

Dealer installed makes sense to me. I know I have pulled these emblems off of trucks other than 72, and they weren't GMC's. The different locations would support this as well. I have also encountered them with barrel nuts used for attachment, as well as 5/16 thread cutting nuts.
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[DeadheadNM]

Originally Posted by leddzepp

Dealer installed makes sense to me. I know I have pulled these emblems off of trucks other than 72, and they weren't GMC's. The different locations would support this as well. I have also encountered them with barrel nuts used for attachment, as well as 5/16 thread cutting nuts.
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I've got 4-5 sets of emblems and will see what the mix is between barrel nuts and speed nuts. If the camper nameplate is listed on the SPID I would assume the emblem was factory installed....

[jocko]

good info here! my key check for making sure of proper location on the 72 emblem is that the one closest to the edge is always visible in plain view when you open the door, the post nut sticks thru the door skin and is easily attached in the door jamb area. Not so with the other 3 attach points, have to access from inside the door itself.

[SS Tim]

OK two Flint built trucks that are known Z81. Lets call them "long". Does anyone else have "long" mounted emblems on a known Z81 (on SPID) truck and what plant?