63 power steering conversion help needed

[63C20]

is there a tutorial here ?

[vin63]

Here are a couple of links that you may find useful...

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=374519

http://www.classicperform.com/power6066.htm

[63C20]

everything i see is 67 and up, nothing for 63?

[The Rocknrod]

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=708045
Steering box bracket:
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=332923
In the FAQ section:
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...55&postcount=4

[63C20]

Originally Posted by The Rocknrod

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=708045
Steering box bracket:
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=332923
In the FAQ section:
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...55&postcount=4

i dont understand, those are all 67 and up?

[vin63]

Are you following the links posted? Where are you seeing that the power steering conversion links are only '67 and up? Please point out the designation, because the two links I posted detail the components used for the C10 up to 1966...the CPP link takes you to an article that specifically notes the power steering conversion for 60-66 trucks.

Originally Posted by 63C20

i dont understand, those are all 67 and up?

[MikeB]

Not sure about a 63 model, but I converted a 66 C10 to power steering using a 69 box and a kit like this:
http://www.classicparts.com/1960-66-...Q#.WIUBkfArJpg
I used a new Ididit steering column, so I'm not sure what you'd need to use the stock column.

Found these pictures:

[The Rocknrod]

Ya - wut he sat.

[vince1]

I don't think they put power steering boxes on before 67 and that is why you need the later parts.

[60-66]

Are you looking for " factory power steering " or late model with new steering box ?

[63C20]

can i use a steering box from a 98 suburban?

[Lugnutz65]

63C20,
I just put PS in my 1965 C10 but I have not hooked it all up yet. It's 90% done. You can see what I did on my BLOG. Scroll down until you get to the 8/30/16 entry on the main page. LINK HERE.

I bought a good condition 1974 C10 PS gear box and CaptainFab adapter plate.
I used a DD lower sleeve and rag joint from the 1974 PS box but you can buy them new from Summit Racing.
I then joined the DD lower rod to my original 1965 steering column rod using a DD universal joint I bought on eBay. My original 1965 steering rod was round so I had a machine show mill the end to the DD shape and had holes drilled in the upper and lower rod ends for the universal joint screw to capture the rods.

I also decided to shorten the column so it would be closer to the dash, but that part was just something I did for my comfort and made sense since I have a floor shifter.
I hope this helps.

[vin63]

Sure, if you have enough space to the inside of the frame, and your engineering and fabrication skills will allow for it. I say go for it and keep us posted on the set up with some photos.

Originally Posted by 63C20

can i use a steering box from a 98 suburban?

The prefix URL for this forum is "67-72chevytrucks," but I'm sure you are aware that information and content for other year trucks reside on this forum.

Originally Posted by 63C20

apparently you dont get it, if you look, every link you posted , if you look, it titled "67-72 trucks" so why would i belive otherwise.

[The Rocknrod]

Please don't say "those are 67 and up"

[63C20]

apparently you dont get it, if you look, every link you posted , if you look, it titled "67-72 trucks" so why would i belive otherwise.

Originally Posted by The Rocknrod View Post
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=708045
Steering box bracket:
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=332923
In the FAQ section:
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...55&postcount=4

[63C20]

so is there specific years that are easier or a perfect fit?

[63C20]

i guess im lost on what steering boxes are a good choice to use

[vin63]

I would rather see how you use a 1998 Suburban steering box. I encourage you to go that route, since apparently all of the information provided in this thread does not fit your bill or suit your needs.

[The Rocknrod]

Originally Posted by 63C20

i guess im lost on what steering boxes are a good choice to use

If you "click" your mouse pointer to the links posted in post #4 of this thread and read - all your questions will be answered.
But first you must "read".
Are you just messing with us?

[70cst]

Ok ... lets settle down folks. Thanks

[63C20]

apparently you dont know what "im lost" means. if you do don't wish to help then dont but posting just to antagonize is childish

[vin63]

Originally Posted by 63C20

apparently you dont know what "im lost" means. if you do don't wish to help then dont but posting just to antagonize is childish

I'm not antagonizing you. Many of us, including me, tried to help by posting specific 60-66 links and/or photos of actual power steering conversions. "Apparently," none of the power steering conversion links and information that was posted earlier was to your liking (you accused us that we were only posting 67 and up info), so I would really like to see how you do a '98 Suburban steering box conversion from an engineering and fabrication perspective...I don't think anyone has done that on our trucks, at least none that I've seen photo documented.

[the_ocho]

I just did a the swap today. It took me about 2 hours to install. I used a steering box, pitman arm, and pressure hose from a 1985 C30 truck. I used captinfabs bracket kit to attach the box to the frame, its an easy install. use the template to mark holes, drill them and I chose to weld the bracket to the frame to make installing the heavy box easier. To connect the box to the steering column I used the steering shaft from the same donor c30. I cut it where the round part transitions to the D shaped part and slipped that over my stock shaft and welded them together. As for a pump, I originally intended to use the 1985 c30 pump and it would have worked but the low driver side pump brackets for my SBC required a threaded boss that the 85 pump didnt have. So I picked up a pump for a 1970 camaro and used that. its worth mentioning that the 1985 pump and box use 16mm Oring style fittings while the 1970 pump uses 5/8 inverted flare. To fix this mismatch you simply swap the pressure fittings between the pumps. the metric fitting will screw into the standard pump and you now have a metric pump. This is something I don't see a lot of people mentioning on here.

Here is a link to Captinfabs bracket thread which has a ton of info.

here is a pic from that thread that shows what i mean when i say that i slipped the 1985 shaft over the stock shaft

[padresag]

Originally Posted by the_ocho

I just did a the swap today. It took me about 2 hours to install. I used a steering box, pitman arm, and pressure hose from a 1985 C30 truck. I used captinfabs bracket kit to attach the box to the frame, its an easy install. use the template to mark holes, drill them and I chose to weld the bracket to the frame to make installing the heavy box easier. To connect the box to the steering column I used the steering shaft from the same donor c30. I cut it where the round part transitions to the D shaped part and slipped that over my stock shaft and welded them together. As for a pump, I originally intended to use the 1985 c30 pump and it would have worked but the low driver side pump brackets for my SBC required a threaded boss that the 85 pump didnt have. So I picked up a pump for a 1970 camaro and used that. its worth mentioning that the 1985 pump and box use 16mm Oring style fittings while the 1970 pump uses 5/8 inverted flare. To fix this mismatch you simply swap the pressure fittings between the pumps. the metric fitting will screw into the standard pump and you now have a metric pump. This is something I don't see a lot of people mentioning on here.

Here is a link to Captinfabs bracket thread which has a ton of info.

here is a pic from that thread that shows what i mean when i say that i slipped the 1985 shaft over the stock shaft

pretty good man to do it all in 2 hours
ron

[the_ocho]

Originally Posted by padresag

pretty good man to do it all in 2 hours
ron

Its a simple process that people make out to be more than it is. I can understand why, as a lot of people doing this work may not be mechanics or fabricators. With the kits available on the market via Captinfab or whoever else its nothing more than drilling a few holes.

Step 1 acquire parts. For me I found a 1985 being parted out. pulled the box, pitman arm, input shaft, pump, and pressure hose. I also purchased captinfabs kit. you will also need brackets for the power steering pump for whatever engine you have.

Step 2 remove old stuff. Seperate the pitman arm from the steering linkage, cut the input shaft close to the box, remove the 3 bolts, finally remove the box. Take a flap disk or wire wheel or whatever and clean that area of the frame.

Step 3 drill holes. I cut out the template included with my bracket kit, then cut out the 3 holes for the original bolts. I installed the 3 original bolts in the paper template and then put that on the frame in the 3 holes. My template was now located exactly where it needed to be(well close enough for my fabrication standards). Once the template was located I took a punch and marked the center of the new holes. Then removed the template and drilled the 4 new holes. Once the holes were drilled I took 4 bolts and bolted the bracket on tight. Welded it in a few places so it would stay. It sucks holding up a heavy box and the bracket all while trying to get a bolt started, just make it easier. Once the bracket was welded I bolted on the box.


Step 4 connect the input shafts. I used the 1985 input shaft. It is round down by the box and then goes into a double D shape farther up. I cut the shaft just before the round part changed. This tube ID is pretty close to the OD of the stock steering shaft and will slip over it. I held the new input shaft up to the box and took note of how much I needed to trim off of the old shaft. I then did the trimming. Took the box off, slipped the new input shaft over the old one and reinstalled the box, tightening down the spline joint to the box. Now is the time to make sure its all straight. I used a bungee cord to the seat to keep the steering wheel straight. I then rotated the steering box all the way one direction, then counted the turns it took to get all the way to the other direction. Splitting the difference puts the box in the middle of its travel. Once this is done I welded the shafts together.

Step 4, pump and plumbing. For my application I used and aftermarket low driver side SBC pump mount because that is where I like my pumps. Your setup will depend on engine and pump brackets uses. I marked where I wanted to drill a 2.5 in hole in the inner fender liner. then ran the hoses through this hole and connected them up. Be sure to use a grommet to keep hoses away from sharp metal sides of the hole.



Step 5, paint and enjoy. Only do this step if you feel like it.


You can use a steering box form 1968 to 1986 C series truck. Just remember that they switched from standard to metric fittings in 1980. get a hose to match your box, the pump can be converted either way by swapping the pressure fitting out for the one you need.