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T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
I'm looking at replacing my stock 69 C-10 3 speed manual with a T5 5-speed from Camaro or S10. As I understand it, the bolt pattern to the belhousing is the same, but the bellhousings I've seen from Camaro's are rotated/clocked to the left.
So, if I bolt one of these transmissions to my stock bellhousing, it'll rotate the transmission to the right.... Is it ok to run them this way? I'd think maybe the lubrication wouldn't be correct if it's rotated. Also,wouldn't the shifter then point off at a weird angle? Here's what I'm talking about: Camaro bellhousing: Typical GM 3/4-speed bellhousing:
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
Hmm...interesting. How bout just using your old bell housing on the new tranny?
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
Right - that's what I'm wanting to do. But the T5 from Camaro/S10 use the rotated bellhousing. My stock bellhousing is not rotated so it would rotate the transmission differently. so I'm wondering if anyone has used the T5 with a stock bellhousing and how it worked out.
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
If you use a T5, use the S-10 bellhousing from the 4.3L.
Better yet, do a search on the thread for hte NV3500 conversion. ![]()
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
But then I'd have to deal with the hydraulic clutch, and would have to put in a rear crossmember right? Didn't want to do all that.
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
if you have a 350, and you are making any power at all I wouldn't waste my time. The best of the T5s are only rated at 305 ft pounds, and the garden variety is only rated at 260.
There's a reason they were never installed on anything bigger than a 305. |
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
Good deal.
I would pass on the camaro unit. The shafter would be located too far back, and then there's the angle deal. if you were to run the angled bell, then it would be OK, but i suspect you are right on the lube issue. You'd probably be bets off to install a rear crossmember regardless of what you do. The T5 was never supported in any vahicle (that i am aware of) without a crossmember, and it is all alluminum, so it'd be cheap insurance IMO to install something back there. |
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
Don't use the Camaro bellhousing! Just use your stock bellhousing.
I say that because there's alot of misinformation out there including some on this thread already and I'm trying my best to make it much easier for folks than it was for me. Here's the caveat; the T-5 uses the smaller bellhousing hole which means you'll need either a '67 and earlier bellhousing or have a machinist make a ring for the '68 & up bellhousing to take up the approx. 1/8" gap between the bellhousing and the bearing retainer. I've heard people not making a ring and just bolting 4 speed transmissions up to the bigger bellhousing hole when doing a trans swap, but I don't advocate that. However, it's probably just fine if used temporarily. Here's a similar thread which I offer some insight and I'm working on doing a FAQ on this swap: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=251643 I hope this helps.
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
So the rotation isn't a problem? Using the stock belhousing, the T5 is rotated about 30 degrees to the right correct? Did you use a rear crossmember? How'd that work out with the transmission rotated differently than the Camaro?
The S10 shifter location would be better for me (further forward), but the Camaro V8's t5 is an easier bolt in. so what I need ( I think), is an 85 Camaro V8 T5, with an S10's tailshaft housing&shifter. Right?
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As a side note- I have serious pet peeves with the way the Inliners site is layed out. I've repeatedly brought this up and it gets ignored. Unfortunately, you can't link directly to the Camaro hybrid conversion and it's frustrating! ![]()
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
Here's another good article on the T5 swap:
http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/...feature25.html And here's a link to decode the numbers on the T5: http://www.5speeds.com/t5/index.html
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
Use the V8 3spd Aluminum bellhousing and keep the auto crossmember.The 6s used the cast iron bellhousing that required the rear engine mounts?crossmember.
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
Yes rotation is a problem. Do not use the bell housing that came with the tranny you have. Use a bell housing that does not rotate the transmission. It's stated above that the '67 or earlier bell housings fit. the '68 or later ones will fit with some modifications. Brad has some great info that has helped me alot. Mine is not done yet but i'll be using his info to finish it.
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So, if you use a 69 bellhousing that has the belhousing bolts level, and bolt the Camaro Transmission to that , the rear transmission mount will be on a 30 degree angle , and the shifter will be rotated 30 degrees to the right. Correct?
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
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I took the stock shifter and pulled it apart and turned it around 180* and then mounted it back in the trans. It'll now angle towards the driver which isn't a problem- in fact, it'll be more comfortable than being straight up. Then just bolt in the Camaro shifter and use a Hurst stick to the shifter. I did the latter and cut down the lever a bit and redrilled holes to mount to the Camaro shifter base. If you have an S-10 shifter, you can do the exact same but it'll just be really far forward in 1st gear so you'll have to reach. The S-10 style shifter is shown on the left; the Camaro on the right. In the 1st pic, the S-10 shifter is stock, then in the 2nd the shifter has been rotated 180*. The same can be done with the Camaro shifter on the right. Very easy to do. Hope this helps.
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
Ahhh now I see what you're getting at. Sorry I'm a lil slow sometimes. I don't really know the right answer to your question. Sorry.
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
All of this bell housing talk brings up a question. My dad and I are almost done with his 71 GMC 1500 with a stock L6 and 3 on the tree. It currentl does not have a trans cross member. Is this right, or was it pulled at some tiem and not returned?
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
steve, the stoc set up has the bellhousing mounted, and the tranny just hanging. So yeah, that is correct.
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
The first one is a great article! The latter is the one I always use when I'm not sure of what it came out of.
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
I have the same T-5 in a different application. I have a '31 Plymouth coupe with a early Hemi with the T-5 Camaro transmission. In the street rod world we change the tail shaft out and replace it with a S-10. On my trans to move the shifter forward I bought a tail shaft, shifter, and shifter rail from a S-10 T-5 transmission. It is a bolt on swap. Use a V8 Camaro transmission for strength and the S-10 tailshaft for the shifter location. Lokar makes a hot rod style shifter handle to bolt to the stock shifter. This swap will move the shifter approx 8 inches closer to the bellhousing away from your seat. I also am using an early 63?-68 Chevy truck bellhousing with the smaller center hole. I am still collecting pieces to build this car, but this swap is commom knowledge with the pre-'48 crowd.
I hope this helps... Brian
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
I'm trying to do the T5 swap into my 67 chev 1/2 ton. It currently has a 2 speed powerglide and I don't like its weak gears especially first ( 1.82 ratio).
Plus the rear end ratio is a 4:11 I think so my 250 inline 6 does 3000rpm at like 60mph. I figure the T5 will help. I'm in the process of collecting parts and am looking for an appropriate bellhousing and clutch setup. I have an '87 S10 T5. What year of bellhousing has smaller holes in the back and why is this necessary to have when mating the T5 to an engine? Does anyone know if a stock inline 6 bellhousing and clutch will work in terms of bolting up or do I need to use an S-10 clutch with the original bellhousing? The only bellhousing I have right now is an aluminum one from an '83 chevy truck (I think). What flywheel would I use too? Any help would be great and I've been reading these and many other threads on this swap trying to make it as easy as possible! Strider |
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Re: T5 5-SPEED to stock bellhousing - rotation
I am currently running the T-5 in my 68 chevelle with a decent 327 and am usually easy on it but have stood on it a time or two
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