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Still can't figure out what my engine was from
Chevelle, camaro, lawnmower, bmw motorcycle?
Ok, its def a BBC Info is: T1II9CTB 12K538158 (stamped on block in front of pass cyl head) CM8T (casting # on top of block by firewall) 8999290 (other casting # on top of block by firewall) Awhile ago we were thinking it may be one of these: CTB 1972 Camaro 402 240 TH LS-3 AR CTB 1972 Chevelle 402 240 TH LS-3 AR CTB 1972 Chevrolet 402 210 Mt LS-3 AR Now, with the VIN stamped in (i'm assuming thats what the last set of numbers in T1II9CTB 12K538158 is), is it safe to say this wasn't from a truck? I read on this forum that trucks don't have matching #'s like cars since the VIN wasn't stamped in the block. If thats true, it must be from a 1972 Camaro or Chevelle it seems. Also, I'm still trying to figure out the T1II9 date code, any clues, what are the I's for????
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67 GMC K1500 Custom- 305V6 SM420, PTO, Ram Assist, yellow (the outcast) (project period correct upgrades) 67 GMC C2500 351V6 TH400, AC, PS, PB (can't decide what to do with. Update, decided to keep and will restore ![]() 86 CHV K30 502 th400, apple red NEW 71 CHV K20 350 SM465, ochre (saved work truck) 71 CHV K20 292 SM465, white, tach, PTO, (future project) 72 CHV K20 350 350th, medium blue (project stocker) 01 CHV K2500hd crew, indigo blue ^3 dont run and the others don't see winter either '86 K30 Cummins "Fireside" thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=649649 '71 K20 "get driveable" thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=590642 '72 K20 Build Thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=493477&page=6 |
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Re: Still can't figure out what my engine was from
the first # should be a 3
3999290 1972 402 240, 2 bolt http://www.nastyz28.com/bbcmenu.php http://www.nastyz28.com/chevy-engine-code-stampings.php T1119CTB T-Tonawanda;11-november;19-19th;CTB (Maybe) Last edited by tooter; 04-13-2011 at 12:20 AM. |
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Re: Still can't figure out what my engine was from
Thanks Tooter, I'll check that 3 or 8 and those I's or 1's, whatever they are once more.
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67 GMC K1500 Custom- 305V6 SM420, PTO, Ram Assist, yellow (the outcast) (project period correct upgrades) 67 GMC C2500 351V6 TH400, AC, PS, PB (can't decide what to do with. Update, decided to keep and will restore ![]() 86 CHV K30 502 th400, apple red NEW 71 CHV K20 350 SM465, ochre (saved work truck) 71 CHV K20 292 SM465, white, tach, PTO, (future project) 72 CHV K20 350 350th, medium blue (project stocker) 01 CHV K2500hd crew, indigo blue ^3 dont run and the others don't see winter either '86 K30 Cummins "Fireside" thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=649649 '71 K20 "get driveable" thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=590642 '72 K20 Build Thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=493477&page=6 |
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Re: Still can't figure out what my engine was from
Your numbers are a Partial VIN & Engine Code.
The I's should be 1's. Vin tells you: 1 - Chevy 2 - 1972 K - car built in St Catherines, Ontario 538158 - last #'s of VIN Engine Code tells you: T - engine built in Tonawanda 1119 - built Nov 19th CTB - 1972 Camaro 396 240 hp TH LS-3 AR 1972 Camaro 402 240 hp TH LS-3 AR 1972 Chevelle 402 240 hp TH LS-3 AR 1972 Chevrolet 402 210 hp Mt LS-3 AR 1972 Chevrolet 396 210 hp Mt LS-3 AR 1972 Chevelle 396 240 hp TH LS-3 AR Block casting tells you: 72 402 240 hp, 2 bolt main with TH auto tranny (since 210 hp was manual tranny) When there are several options for the engine code, the block casting # rules. Don't know what the CM8T means. Anyone else know? I have a 68 w/ orginial 327 that only has engine code, so it may be true about the trucks not having VIN stamped on engine. Vickie |
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Re: Still can't figure out what my engine was from
So is this engine more or less desireable since its from a camaro or chevelle?
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67 GMC K1500 Custom- 305V6 SM420, PTO, Ram Assist, yellow (the outcast) (project period correct upgrades) 67 GMC C2500 351V6 TH400, AC, PS, PB (can't decide what to do with. Update, decided to keep and will restore ![]() 86 CHV K30 502 th400, apple red NEW 71 CHV K20 350 SM465, ochre (saved work truck) 71 CHV K20 292 SM465, white, tach, PTO, (future project) 72 CHV K20 350 350th, medium blue (project stocker) 01 CHV K2500hd crew, indigo blue ^3 dont run and the others don't see winter either '86 K30 Cummins "Fireside" thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=649649 '71 K20 "get driveable" thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=590642 '72 K20 Build Thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=493477&page=6 |
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Re: Still can't figure out what my engine was from
I would suggest that you pull a valve cover and get the number off of the heads (in case they still are the original heads) and that may give you more info on what the engine came from.
As for worth more or less coming from a chevelle or camaro, who knows. Find that right person restoring one of those cars that is frothing at the mouth for a late 72 big block, you might get a little change for it. |
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Re: Still can't figure out what my engine was from
FYI,
I agree with the info above. '72-vintage big block car engines all have "C" in the third digit from the right of the 8-digit code (yours was T1119CTB). Truck engines have a "T" in the third digit from the right (like T0123TLM). Believe it or not, my experience is truck 402's are easier to sell and bring more $ than car 402's (don't know why). |
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Re: Still can't figure out what my engine was from
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67 GMC K1500 Custom- 305V6 SM420, PTO, Ram Assist, yellow (the outcast) (project period correct upgrades) 67 GMC C2500 351V6 TH400, AC, PS, PB (can't decide what to do with. Update, decided to keep and will restore ![]() 86 CHV K30 502 th400, apple red NEW 71 CHV K20 350 SM465, ochre (saved work truck) 71 CHV K20 292 SM465, white, tach, PTO, (future project) 72 CHV K20 350 350th, medium blue (project stocker) 01 CHV K2500hd crew, indigo blue ^3 dont run and the others don't see winter either '86 K30 Cummins "Fireside" thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=649649 '71 K20 "get driveable" thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=590642 '72 K20 Build Thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=493477&page=6 |
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Re: Still can't figure out what my engine was from
My 69 has the 2 bolt 327, 240 hp with V1205YS engine code, and no VIN #.
Don't understand why they wouldn't put the VINs on trucks. But this is the original engine. I think whether it's more or less desirable because it came from a car is a matter of what you want to do with it performance-wise. I would think an engine from that era camaro or chevelle would perform well but the trucks are heavier. When checking engines lately, I've been looking at hp as a more inportant factor. I have a 327 from a 65 Vette, unfortunately I don't have the #'s off of it as it is in the shop being built. Not sure what the factory hp is, but hoping it's more than the 327 in our other truck. |
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Re: Still can't figure out what my engine was from
FWIW...
I don't know what you're doing with this 402 but before I built my 383 I had a discussion with my machine shop guy. He is an old school guy that has been around long enough to have ordered a set of 396 heads before they were available. Long story short when I was considering a big block I brought up the 396/402. He said don't waste your time with anything smaller than a 454.
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Re: Still can't figure out what my engine was from
Thats like saying never buy a gas when you can get a duramax. It all depends on your situation. I assume he meant if you are going BB and don't care about being period correct. The 396/402 is a great engine for being period correct in these trucks. Sure if you don't have one to start with and are looking for biggest bang for your buck go 454.
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67 GMC K1500 Custom- 305V6 SM420, PTO, Ram Assist, yellow (the outcast) (project period correct upgrades) 67 GMC C2500 351V6 TH400, AC, PS, PB (can't decide what to do with. Update, decided to keep and will restore ![]() 86 CHV K30 502 th400, apple red NEW 71 CHV K20 350 SM465, ochre (saved work truck) 71 CHV K20 292 SM465, white, tach, PTO, (future project) 72 CHV K20 350 350th, medium blue (project stocker) 01 CHV K2500hd crew, indigo blue ^3 dont run and the others don't see winter either '86 K30 Cummins "Fireside" thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=649649 '71 K20 "get driveable" thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=590642 '72 K20 Build Thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=493477&page=6 |
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