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Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: ketchikan
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Stickshift options
I've got a 1977 C10 that's getting a 4 link rear with a posi and a 454 that's built for torque. The cam I'm getting is 1400-5200 rpm, plan on running 3.73s but could change that if needed. Should be around 400ish hp and hope to get 500 tq.
I'm looking at a TKO-600 (don't like the 500s low 1st) or maybe a muncie M22. I love the way the rockcrushers sound. Speed limit in Alaska is 55mph but plan on one day taking it south for a cruise. So it almost seems silly to buy a OD. Anyone put a muncie into thier C10? What do I have to worry about? I'm a dummie so please put it into dummie terms. I'm starting from scratch. Use to be an automatic, so wondering how reverse lights work and drive shaft stuff too.. I saw someone here has a M21 and that sucker seems to clear the bench seat nicely. Some things I'm wondering about, car vs truck bellhousings what's the difference? I think my block is a LS5. Can I just get a clutch to match the 10 spline input shaft? Has anyone used a hyd clutch linkage with the M22s? I saw a kit somewhere but I think it was for the TKOs Anyways I really should put a auto back into it to keep it simple but that wouldn't be me and I really don't enjoy driving autos... I'd be a bit concerned with the muncie's shifting.. IIRC they where kinda difficult to shift, not as smooth as todays sticks but heck that makes it even cooler ![]() Basicly I need all the info that someone is willing to spend the time typing out for me. Any tips tricks or things they would have done differently. Maybe a good site for info on converting my truck to a stick. I'm getting a tree (pedal assembly) for free from a friend of mine, don't know what it's out of though but its worth a look. Greg |
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Re: Stickshift options
Oh yeah.. I should clear up and add a few things.
I'm interested in running a hyd linkage There are no junkyards here, there also isn't a road to any either.. I live on a remote island in Alaska. So I need to be able to get the parts new online or used off ebay. I have a bench seat and am unwilling to give it up. Greg |
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Re: Stickshift options
I swapped my turbo 400 to a sm465. It wasn't too bad, driveshafts worked out, the pedal assembly required some modding but bolted in. I used mechanical clutch, kept it simple. Buy a new clutch kit to go with the transmission and it'll have the spring and everything with it.
Tranmission ran horrible at first because it'd been sitting for a few years outside but now after 3 weeks or of running with a bunch of Lucas additive in it it's going smoother. It does drive like a dump truck but won't ever break or so I've been told. |
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Re: Stickshift options
I ran a 4+1 rich. 5 speed,was lots of fun and has a nice whine from the gears
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Re: Stickshift options
If it were mine I'd need a steel blow-proof bell housing. I'm a little wild on clutches, as I've had three pucker the floor
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Re: Stickshift options
You won't be speed shifting a SM465 granny 4 speed. It has a long throw and you really don't build up any speed until 4th gear. It is a work truck transmission. Not the greatest for stop and go traffic. I like mine, but a modern automatic is more practical and shifts a lot smoother. First gear is never used, so it is really a 3 speed, unless you are stuck in mud or snow, then first gear might help some - or maybe pulling your boat out of a boat ramp.
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Re: Stickshift options
No I wouldn't throw a granny tranny ;-) in there. So I'll find some pedals and make em work. I'd worried about the bellcrank clearing my long tube headers in a mech linkage. Read alot of posts about that happening. Though my block does appear to be drilled and tapped for it.
I saw the richmond 4 + 1 street but I've never heard of em. I'm a HUGE muncie fan and would really like to stick the M22 in there with a hydraulic clutch. I'm a fan of those "explosion proof" bellhousings too. Honestly I'd stick whatever fits on though really. I'm not gonna run huge HP and TQ #s, just a nice 454. I see the pretty much all the hyd clutch stuff in LMC truck. What does the hyd master cyl bolt to? I've never looked at one in a pickup.. Does bolt and run into the bellhousing? Or is there a mount or something to use the arm for the mech linkage? Greg Last edited by ekacpuc; 03-12-2011 at 07:50 PM. |
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Re: Stickshift options
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It has the hyd. slave cylinder mount forged into it. You may find 1 on e-bay ? If not, you can buy a scattershield and and get the slave mount from Novak, they have the entire system, and can steer you in the right direction on bellhousings, stock or aftermarket, they fit both. I think the only problem your going to have is finding the pedals. Good luck, and give Novak a call. Take care. Jon |
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Join Date: Feb 2011
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Re: Stickshift options
ill be puttinga 5 speed camaro tranny in my 87 tbi. any ideas on a cheap place to get a pedal assembly . ive had no luck in the bone yards and onlne im not finding much. i have the tranny bell housing shifter and clutch just trying to get the rest
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Re: Stickshift options
I have the same problem.
I have the 87 Hyd. Bellhousing. throwout brg., arm, master, & slave, I just have to figure out the pedals, like finding them ? Also which year changed from mechanical to hyd, are they the same pedals ?? I'm not finding much info on any of this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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Re: Stickshift options
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They are not the same pedals. The hydraulic pedals have at least 1 support rod for the clutch master cylinder and the hydraulic push pin is in a different location on the clutch pedal arm. |
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Re: Stickshift options
Thanks guy's, I really appreciate the info. Sounds like 85 & newer. They aren't real easy to find, atleast here in Oregon.
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Re: Stickshift options
My trucks getting a GM NV4500 5-speed, but it's more heavy duty & not so much the one for "performance" driving... We had to get an 85 1-ton truck to pull the pedal assembly from since my stock one was all mechanical. The firewall had to be modified a bit, but nothing severe. These may work for you for whatever you end up running.
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