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NSANE68!!! · 03-21-2003, 12:24 AM

Well I was finally pursuaded by one of my vendors to try a new bag. I built the system on my first truck 4 yrs ago, with the standard then Firestone 2600, and 2500# bags. Great system no knocking it.
Well I tried the the new SLAM bags RS62. All I have to say is WOW

The bag lift's higher and is a little stiffer (no more bouncy ride)

, and the bag has a built in bump stop in the bag. Well what more can I say check out the site for comparison to Firestone, and take it from a long time Bag guy these bags are the shiznit.

Also, if you got high speed access check out the videos.

http://slamspecialties.com/home.html

OH added bonus! I reworked the old system while replacing the bags and got an extra 1.75" of drop and PLANTED THE CROSSMEMBER. YEAH!!! Now I'm reworking the c-notch in rear which should give me an extra 3" drop in rear, and bumbin my system up to 220psi, with 1/2" line. Now that is what you call FAST BAGS!!! LOL

Sorry so long but I'm STOKED!!!

Slammed67 · 03-21-2003, 12:49 AM

So that means you are going to start selling those to board members at a discount?????

Crank · 03-21-2003, 01:13 AM

Alrighty, I'll have to check it out. And you HAVE TO keep us updated on the truck, and pics are a must. K? Thanks for the info, as always, ur trucks rocks. Later
Brandon

JHickson6 · 03-21-2003, 01:39 AM

Awesome!

jay-dawg · 03-21-2003, 03:29 AM

sup nate,
by any chance are you selling the old ones? just checking. the old ones are 1/4 ports? what size lines did you run with the old bags?

jay

NSANE68!!! · 03-21-2003, 10:33 AM

I will have em on my site soon.

Jay dawg, the old bags are goin on my HOE, figure they're still good so I'm just gonna swap the system to that.

XXL · 03-21-2003, 09:25 PM

I spent some time on the comparison data with the standard Firestone bags and decided that, for the person who's not in need of ultra-pressure bags--

1) there is not any significant value in the new bags except for
-- built-in bump stops (not sure the value here, but...)
-- more lift from the same bag-type (which means you can put your 'base' drop lower and still drive OK)

2) they are about the same price...

So, I'd say that I would only be interested in buying them if/when I need to replace the ones I have.

Anyone else come up with something different??

Kenneth

RACING29 · 03-21-2003, 10:53 PM

Less PSi to raise is wwhat I heard. They are supposed to be the best bags you can buy! Thats what I'm buying. Also NsAne how much are a set of four 1/2" Single Port BAgs? Also which should I run-6's or the 7's? I have heard alot of good things about these bags. Thanks DeWayne

Reumster · 03-21-2003, 11:09 PM

Again I really want 1/2" bags up front and extra lift is a bonus. The bags I had originally for the rear were 1/2" port. But they where threaded wrong. My main issue when going to front bags will be equally fast raise times front and rear. When I pancake up on all 4s I don't want the rear raising faster than the front. So bigger ports up front is a must have. I like the extra lift idea. Allthough I don't want to go really low. Aired out I want the rear pumpkin 1/4" from the bed floor. And the front to be equal in height.

I'm looking into compressors, and valves a McMaster, or Granger

jay-dawg · 03-22-2003, 10:23 AM

thats an interesting .02 reumster. so it would be good to have 1/2 ports in front and what should be good to raise the rear just as fast? 1/4 ports? what about the size of the air lines and solenoids.....I thought I knew my stuff about bags but you put in a whole new dimension with pancaking up at the same time.

jay

RACING29 · 03-22-2003, 03:21 PM

What? If you have 1/2" ports up front and 1/4" ports in the rear the front is going to be alot faster than the rear won't it?! Why not run 1/2" ports all the way around? Makes sense don't it?

JHickson6 · 03-22-2003, 04:40 PM

Just put a regulator on the rear lines and figure out what they need to be set at for the truck to rise evenly.

jay-dawg · 03-22-2003, 04:41 PM

reumster is saying that because of the weight of the engine compared to an empty bed, the front will not be as fast if you go with the same port all the way around.

jay

Reumster · 03-22-2003, 05:10 PM

Exactly. But as JHickson6 said you can run 1/2" on all 4 corners, and run regulators. But it's more expensive. But I have it figured that 1/2" in the front and 3/8 in the back. You'll save the money in the rear. BUt still by 1/2 port bags allround. Valves are easier to change than bags. Also 3/8" I feel is plenty for dump valve. but there again you can run 1/2 dump valves and use adjustable exhaust thingy bobers.

jayssunm · 03-23-2003, 03:32 AM

I would love to drag the body on my truck with bags. I used to owns an older toyota with juice (hydraulics) and always wore out the tire very fast. Could someone tell me how you keep you truck aligned with airbags?

Thanks!

jay-dawg · 03-23-2003, 12:39 PM

i got this one. you get it aligned at your ride height.

BigChevMan · 03-23-2003, 01:45 PM

all of firestones double convoluted airbags have built in bumpstops...so don't let that feature fool you. Only the tapered sleeve bags don't have built in bumpstops.

NSANE68!!! · 03-23-2003, 11:07 PM

Sorry guys have'nt been on all weekend.
1.The main GAIN in my opinion is the SQUISHY RIDE is gone.
2. NO BALLOONING, you buy a 6" bag and it stays 6" fully out or fully up.
3. True the bump stops are in firestone bags, but not as much cushion as SLAM.
These are just my opinions to help people decide. I ran a Firestone airbag system on 2 trucks for over 4 yrs, and loved it. But these new systems just BLOW the others away. JMO

Reumster · 03-23-2003, 11:21 PM

I feel you should set your solid bumpstops on the truck to limit the heigth of zero psi anyway. Why subject the bag to the stopping of the truck

NSANE68!!! · 03-23-2003, 11:31 PM

TRUE, but there isn't always room for a bumb stop.

The first thing to go when installing on most vehichles is the bump stops. They tend to be close to the bag assembly, and we all know you don't want anything close to the bag. Second to follow bumpstops is usually front sway bar, again close to bag and they limit drop time. They tend to bind a little.
Every body has a diff way of approach this is just mine. The slam bag allowed me to put the bag up in the upper cup more, because they don't BALLOON, this gave me extra drop. Extra drop is always welcomed.

JHickson6 · 03-24-2003, 12:53 AM

it all sounds good NSANE, so now how about some pics of the front suspension

Thanks man!

Jared

03-21-2003, 12:24 AM	#1
NSANE68!!! SLICER AND DICIER Join Date: May 2001 Location: Quuen Creek Posts: 1,383	AIRBAG Tweakin!!! Well I was finally pursuaded by one of my vendors to try a new bag. I built the system on my first truck 4 yrs ago, with the standard then Firestone 2600, and 2500# bags. Great system no knocking it. Well I tried the the new SLAM bags RS62. All I have to say is WOW The bag lift's higher and is a little stiffer (no more bouncy ride) , and the bag has a built in bump stop in the bag. Well what more can I say check out the site for comparison to Firestone, and take it from a long time Bag guy these bags are the shiznit. Also, if you got high speed access check out the videos. http://slamspecialties.com/home.html OH added bonus! I reworked the old system while replacing the bags and got an extra 1.75" of drop and PLANTED THE CROSSMEMBER. YEAH!!! Now I'm reworking the c-notch in rear which should give me an extra 3" drop in rear, and bumbin my system up to 220psi, with 1/2" line. Now that is what you call FAST BAGS!!! LOL Sorry so long but I'm STOKED!!! __________________ 01 Tahoe 22's 2/4 drop and tv's 68 chevy money pit 51 chevy belair 95 Honda 900RR 05 GMC Siearra (company truck)

03-21-2003, 12:49 AM	#2
Slammed67 Progress = 0% Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 2,108	So that means you are going to start selling those to board members at a discount????? __________________ Jason - '67 GMC swb \| '57 Bel-Air 4dr hardtop \| '56 210 4dr Wagon \| 2000 GMC Sierra

03-21-2003, 01:39 AM	#4
JHickson6 I Love This Stuff! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Posts: 739	Awesome! __________________ My Rides 1967 C10 In Pieces for now 1985 Ford B700 SourPuss Bus - BIG BLUE 2003 Silverado CITY WORKER YELLOW!!

03-21-2003, 03:29 AM	#5
jay-dawg chevelito Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Honolulu, HI USA Posts: 1,609	sup nate, by any chance are you selling the old ones? just checking. the old ones are 1/4 ports? what size lines did you run with the old bags? jay __________________ New deadline...when my son can drive. Aloha from Honolulu, HI

03-21-2003, 10:33 AM	#6
NSANE68!!! SLICER AND DICIER Join Date: May 2001 Location: Quuen Creek Posts: 1,383	I will have em on my site soon. Jay dawg, the old bags are goin on my HOE, figure they're still good so I'm just gonna swap the system to that. __________________ 01 Tahoe 22's 2/4 drop and tv's 68 chevy money pit 51 chevy belair 95 Honda 900RR 05 GMC Siearra (company truck)

03-21-2003, 01:13 AM	#3
Crank Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Crittenden, KY Posts: 1,964	Alrighty, I'll have to check it out. And you HAVE TO keep us updated on the truck, and pics are a must. K? Thanks for the info, as always, ur trucks rocks. Later Brandon

03-21-2003, 09:25 PM	#7
XXL Señor Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edge of the world Posts: 5,367	I spent some time on the comparison data with the standard Firestone bags and decided that, for the person who's not in need of ultra-pressure bags-- 1) there is not any significant value in the new bags except for -- built-in bump stops (not sure the value here, but...) -- more lift from the same bag-type (which means you can put your 'base' drop lower and still drive OK) 2) they are about the same price... So, I'd say that I would only be interested in buying them if/when I need to replace the ones I have. Anyone else come up with something different?? Kenneth __________________ Craigslist \| ebay \| Engrishtees \| www.myattitudesucks.com \| Follow me on Twitter

03-21-2003, 10:53 PM	#8
RACING29 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tennessee, Morristown Posts: 355	Less PSi to raise is wwhat I heard. They are supposed to be the best bags you can buy! Thats what I'm buying. Also NsAne how much are a set of four 1/2" Single Port BAgs? Also which should I run-6's or the 7's? I have heard alot of good things about these bags. Thanks DeWayne __________________ 1967 Chevy truck, R1 racing seats, 4 point racing harness, 4/6 drop, primered blue, soon to be shaved, 350- 060. over, flat top pistons, Eagle rods, Edelbrock Aluminum heads, 1.5 Scorpion roller rockers, Lunati 515" cam, mallory ignition, Holley 750 double pumper carb, Built 350 turbo trans, 2500-2800 boss hog stall, 20 gallon aluminum fuel cell!!!

03-21-2003, 11:09 PM	#9
Reumster L.E.D. Freak Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Polson MT Posts: 1,358	Again I really want 1/2" bags up front and extra lift is a bonus. The bags I had originally for the rear were 1/2" port. But they where threaded wrong. My main issue when going to front bags will be equally fast raise times front and rear. When I pancake up on all 4s I don't want the rear raising faster than the front. So bigger ports up front is a must have. I like the extra lift idea. Allthough I don't want to go really low. Aired out I want the rear pumpkin 1/4" from the bed floor. And the front to be equal in height. I'm looking into compressors, and valves a McMaster, or Granger __________________ Specializing in Custom L.E.D. inserts. http://www.ccled.com/ Contact me @ blazer2wd1972@hotmail.com (406)675-8082 or Joel @ jmcwaters@eps-corp.net 1972 2wd Blazer, 350/700R4/3:73 posi, err & Custom L.E.D. inserts! LOL

03-22-2003, 10:23 AM	#10
jay-dawg chevelito Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Honolulu, HI USA Posts: 1,609	thats an interesting .02 reumster. so it would be good to have 1/2 ports in front and what should be good to raise the rear just as fast? 1/4 ports? what about the size of the air lines and solenoids.....I thought I knew my stuff about bags but you put in a whole new dimension with pancaking up at the same time. jay __________________ New deadline...when my son can drive. Aloha from Honolulu, HI

03-22-2003, 03:21 PM	#11
RACING29 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tennessee, Morristown Posts: 355	What? If you have 1/2" ports up front and 1/4" ports in the rear the front is going to be alot faster than the rear won't it?! Why not run 1/2" ports all the way around? Makes sense don't it? __________________ 1967 Chevy truck, R1 racing seats, 4 point racing harness, 4/6 drop, primered blue, soon to be shaved, 350- 060. over, flat top pistons, Eagle rods, Edelbrock Aluminum heads, 1.5 Scorpion roller rockers, Lunati 515" cam, mallory ignition, Holley 750 double pumper carb, Built 350 turbo trans, 2500-2800 boss hog stall, 20 gallon aluminum fuel cell!!!

03-22-2003, 04:40 PM	#12
JHickson6 I Love This Stuff! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Posts: 739	Just put a regulator on the rear lines and figure out what they need to be set at for the truck to rise evenly. __________________ My Rides 1967 C10 In Pieces for now 1985 Ford B700 SourPuss Bus - BIG BLUE 2003 Silverado CITY WORKER YELLOW!!

03-22-2003, 04:41 PM	#13
jay-dawg chevelito Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Honolulu, HI USA Posts: 1,609	reumster is saying that because of the weight of the engine compared to an empty bed, the front will not be as fast if you go with the same port all the way around. jay __________________ New deadline...when my son can drive. Aloha from Honolulu, HI

03-22-2003, 05:10 PM	#14
Reumster L.E.D. Freak Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Polson MT Posts: 1,358	Exactly. But as JHickson6 said you can run 1/2" on all 4 corners, and run regulators. But it's more expensive. But I have it figured that 1/2" in the front and 3/8 in the back. You'll save the money in the rear. BUt still by 1/2 port bags allround. Valves are easier to change than bags. Also 3/8" I feel is plenty for dump valve. but there again you can run 1/2 dump valves and use adjustable exhaust thingy bobers. __________________ Specializing in Custom L.E.D. inserts. http://www.ccled.com/ Contact me @ blazer2wd1972@hotmail.com (406)675-8082 or Joel @ jmcwaters@eps-corp.net 1972 2wd Blazer, 350/700R4/3:73 posi, err & Custom L.E.D. inserts! LOL

03-23-2003, 03:32 AM	#15
jayssunm Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 98	How do you align your truck with airbags? I would love to drag the body on my truck with bags. I used to owns an older toyota with juice (hydraulics) and always wore out the tire very fast. Could someone tell me how you keep you truck aligned with airbags? Thanks!



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03-23-2003, 12:39 PM	#16
jay-dawg chevelito Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Honolulu, HI USA Posts: 1,609	i got this one. you get it aligned at your ride height. __________________ New deadline...when my son can drive. Aloha from Honolulu, HI

03-23-2003, 01:45 PM	#17
BigChevMan My Thoughts Exactly! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 140	all of firestones double convoluted airbags have built in bumpstops...so don't let that feature fool you. Only the tapered sleeve bags don't have built in bumpstops.

03-23-2003, 11:07 PM	#18
NSANE68!!! SLICER AND DICIER Join Date: May 2001 Location: Quuen Creek Posts: 1,383	Sorry guys have'nt been on all weekend. 1.The main GAIN in my opinion is the SQUISHY RIDE is gone. 2. NO BALLOONING, you buy a 6" bag and it stays 6" fully out or fully up. 3. True the bump stops are in firestone bags, but not as much cushion as SLAM. These are just my opinions to help people decide. I ran a Firestone airbag system on 2 trucks for over 4 yrs, and loved it. But these new systems just BLOW the others away. JMO __________________ 01 Tahoe 22's 2/4 drop and tv's 68 chevy money pit 51 chevy belair 95 Honda 900RR 05 GMC Siearra (company truck)

03-23-2003, 11:21 PM	#19
Reumster L.E.D. Freak Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Polson MT Posts: 1,358	I feel you should set your solid bumpstops on the truck to limit the heigth of zero psi anyway. Why subject the bag to the stopping of the truck __________________ Specializing in Custom L.E.D. inserts. http://www.ccled.com/ Contact me @ blazer2wd1972@hotmail.com (406)675-8082 or Joel @ jmcwaters@eps-corp.net 1972 2wd Blazer, 350/700R4/3:73 posi, err & Custom L.E.D. inserts! LOL

03-23-2003, 11:31 PM	#20
NSANE68!!! SLICER AND DICIER Join Date: May 2001 Location: Quuen Creek Posts: 1,383	TRUE, but there isn't always room for a bumb stop. The first thing to go when installing on most vehichles is the bump stops. They tend to be close to the bag assembly, and we all know you don't want anything close to the bag. Second to follow bumpstops is usually front sway bar, again close to bag and they limit drop time. They tend to bind a little. Every body has a diff way of approach this is just mine. The slam bag allowed me to put the bag up in the upper cup more, because they don't BALLOON, this gave me extra drop. Extra drop is always welcomed. __________________ 01 Tahoe 22's 2/4 drop and tv's 68 chevy money pit 51 chevy belair 95 Honda 900RR 05 GMC Siearra (company truck)

03-24-2003, 12:53 AM	#21
JHickson6 I Love This Stuff! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Posts: 739	it all sounds good NSANE, so now how about some pics of the front suspension Thanks man! Jared __________________ My Rides 1967 C10 In Pieces for now 1985 Ford B700 SourPuss Bus - BIG BLUE 2003 Silverado CITY WORKER YELLOW!!

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