engile oil, what do you run + additives

[dukcaln]

so I am about to change the oil in my motor and since it is the first or second change from the build( not sure what previous owner did) what do you all recommend for oil, weight to brand and do any of you guys run any additives and if so which ones and why... Since I didn't build or breakin the motor, I need to make a choice as to what to run in it...... so let me know what you run and why...... I come from a long line of diesel engines and a mild built v8 is new territory for me...

O, and how many quarts will a 350 hold with stock pan....

[ChevLoRay]

5 quarts.

It's been some time since mine ran (it's on a stand in the garage). But, with the heat that we have here (around 100-110), I'd run a 20W40. Then, there are those who will tell you a 10W30 or 10W40. But, I'm old school and would probably just run a good 30W. Additives? Why? Some would knock off a quart and throw in a qt of Risolone. Additives are already in the good oils. One thing you might consider would be an oil that contains some zinc. Don't know which one's they are, but someone will let you know. It's one of those debatable topics.

[oldblue1968chevy]

Run a oil with enough zinc content if you have a flat tappet cam!

Synthetic or non, im currently running the non synthetic vr1 racing oil by valvoline, its not in tickers FAQ but it says for flat tappet cams on the back. And it was cheap and I didnt wanna go with $10 synthetic right away.

[solar649]

Amsoil.. to me it is the best. it is expensive. But most racing teams use it, its great for diesels. Here is some specs on the 10w40 synthetic.


PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-40 Motor Oil is specially formulated to provide superior protection and performance in a wide variety of demanding applications. By incorporating high-quality synthetic base
stocks and a superior high-zinc additive package, AMSOIL Premium Protection Oil exceeds the needs of large and small gasoline or diesel engines in cars, motorcycles, trucks, motor homes, maintenance equipment, heavy equipment, street rods and marine applications. It is ideal for high-mileage vehicles, vehicles with flat-tappet cams and high-stress vehicles subject to hot temperatures, heavy hauling, trailer pulling or off-road use. AMSOIL Premium Protection Oil resists oxidation, neutralizes acids, inhibits corrosion, reduces wear and protects against deposits. It provides the extra anti-wear protection required by engines with flat-tappet cams and high-tension valve springs. AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-40 Premium Protection Motor Oil offers flexibility and performance beyond conventional oil for convenience and trouble-free operation.

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Exceeds the Requirements of Wet Clutch Transmissions
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Resists Oxidation and High Temperature Breakdown
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Extends Drain Intervals in Gasoline and Diesel Engines
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APPLICATIONS
AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-40 Premium Protection Motor Oil is a multi-use, premium synthetic lubricant for applications that require or benefit from a higher viscosity oil. It is recommended for air and liquid cooled, large or small gasoline and diesel engines, transmissions and chaincase applications where 10W-40 oil is required with any of the following specifications:

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•API CI-4 Plus, CH-4, CF, CF-2
•ISO-L-EMA • Caterpillar ECF-1
•JASO MA (Motorcycle) • MAN 271/3275 • MTU Type 2
•Cummins 20071/20072/20076/20077 • VDS-2, VDS
•Mack EO-M+ • ACEA A3/B3, E3, E5 • MB 228.3, 229.1
•Detroit Diesel 93K214
MIXING AMSOIL
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SERVICE LIFE
AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-40 Premium Protection Motor Oil is recommended for extended intervals in unmodified, mechanically-sound vehicles or equipment as follows:

Diesel Engine Service
•Normal Service - Up to 25,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first, or longer based on oil analysis.
•Severe Service - Up to 15,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first, or longer based on oil analysis.

Gasoline Engine Service
•Normal and Severe Service - Up to 15,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first, or longer based on oil analysis.

Motorcycles, Small Engines, Stationary Engines, Heavy Equipment and Other Applications
•Extend drain intervals based on oil analysis or follow the manufacturer-recommended drain interval.

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TYPICAL PHYSICAL PROPERTIES
AMSOIL High Performance Synthetic 10W-40 Motor Oil (AMO)
Kinematic Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt (ASTM D-445) 14.6
Kinematic Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt (ASTM D-445) 90.5
Viscosity Index (ASTM D-2270) 169
CCS Viscosity @ -25°C, cP (ASTM D-5293) 5501 (-25)
Pour Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-97) -44 (-47)
Flash Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-92) 228 (442)
Fire Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-92) 250 (482)
High Temperature/High Shear @ 150°C and 1.0 X 106 s-1, cP (ASTM D 4683), cP 4.3
Four Ball Wear Test (ASTM D 4172 @ 40 kgf, 150°C, 1800 rpm, 1 hour, Scar in mm) 0.40
Noack Volatility, % weight loss (g/100g) (DIN 51581) 6.7
Total Base Number 12.1

[wwotr]

Originally Posted by oldblue1968chevy

Run a oil with enough zinc content if you have a flat tappet cam!

Synthetic or non, im currently running the non synthetic vr1 racing oil by valvoline, its not in tickers FAQ but it says for flat tappet cams on the back. And it was cheap and I didnt wanna go with $10 synthetic right away.

X2
My Mechanic just changed my oil and added a small bottle of Zinc Additive.

[81ShrtBox]

Rotella 15w 40

[69heavychevy]

50w vr1 during the summer and 10w40 vr1 other months

[Duncan and son]

Originally Posted by 81ShrtBox

Rotella 15w 40

x2

[stich626]

Originally Posted by 81ShrtBox

Rotella 15w 40

not any more the zinc is gone

[dukcaln]

Originally Posted by stich626

not any more the zinc is gone

was kinda sure but wanted to be 1005 sure.... ADHD sorry.... so just to pick a weight and brand... I do run rotella t6 in my d-max.... so maybe I will try the rottela conventional oil...

[81ShrtBox]

Originally Posted by stich626

not any more the zinc is gone

WHAT

[dukcaln]

well I know all about amsoil, I run it in my 500hp dmax and ran it in my twin turbo cummins at 650hp...but I want to stay cheaper but good. so with my cam and rollers I should run what oil... oldblue, is vr1 a good one for me

[oldblue1968chevy]

Haha im no expert AT ALL

Is your motor flat tappet cam?

Theres a good thread about this hang on..

[oldblue1968chevy]

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=381780

[dukcaln]

rollers for me...and will the vr1 racing have enough zinc for breaking and every day driver with the mld cam..

[bobs409]

Originally Posted by dukcaln

rollers for me...and will the vr1 racing have enough zinc for breaking and every day driver with the mld cam..

If you have roller lifters, you don't really need zinc. Zinc is used for "sliding" components which would be the old flat tappet type lifters. Since you no longer have that, it's not really needed.

I use a bottle of ZDDP with every oil change on my cars because I have all flat tappet cams.

[OhOneWS6]

Originally Posted by bobs409

If you have roller lifters, you don't really need zinc. Zinc is used for "sliding" components which would be the old flat tappet type lifters. Since you no longer have that, it's not really needed.

X2. In a mild roller motor, any off the shelf oil of you choice will be fine. What cam are you running?

[screaminchevypickup]

Royal purple is what I use but it's kinda spendy and I use mobile1 in my every day drivers
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[lilred67]

on a roller motor, any 10-30, 10-40, 15-40 oil of your choice will do a great job.
for more oil information go to www.bobistheoilguy.com

[eldogg]

I've just started using Joe Gibbs break in oil in my engine builds. Rotella 15w40 afterwards with a little addditive, but I'm gonna try the other Joe Gibbs stuff. We'll see how it works..

[1972RedNeck]

Does anybody know if Schaeffer's supreme 7000 is good oil to run?

[MagmaJct]

I can't offer advice on any specific brands. However, if you don't need anything with a higher viscosity than Xw-30 than don't use it.

With modern multi-viscosity oils, there really is no need to switch viscosities from season to season. I use 10w-30 year round and am considering switching to 5w-40 because my engine produces good oil pressure when cold, but when it's warmed up the gauge almost reads nothing at idle. I also have a couple cylinders burning oil so consumption is high. (I have no money for a rebuild, and I put less than 3,000 a miles a year on it anyway...)

[dukcaln]

here is the cam I am running...... howards cam cl11025 hydraulic roller cam and lifter kit.. its a roller tappet cam with roller lifters..so i g so do I guess it qualifies as roller right.... do i need an additive

[OhOneWS6]

Originally Posted by dukcaln

here is the cam I am running...... howards cam cl11025 hydraulic roller cam and lifter kit.. its a roller tappet cam with roller lifters..so i g so do I guess it qualifies as roller right.... do i need an additive

That is a roller cam. You do not need any special additive like a flat tappet cam would require. If you are really concerned about it you can contact the cam manufacturer for their recommendation or try to get in touch with the shop that built the motor. I wouldn't spend much time on it though. Any quality oil will be fine.

[dukcaln]

thanks fro all the input guys... it did help alot.... oil is changed to rotella 15-40 and new filter. called the builder and he said I should be good to go by his account...he said they added a breakin oil when it left the shop and what ever the previous owner did after that with oil changes he can't say.... so I get his point.... but at least I am on the right track now