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Brad · 11-11-2006, 09:07 PM

Today started out great- I went to one of the local Veterans day parade that the city has every year. Then, because it wasn't raining and the sun was out, I decided to try to fix my speedo gear on the main shaft in order to get a working speedometer again. I've got one of them 'new' Saginaw fully syncro 3 speeds.

Well, I thought I just needed to pull the tailhousing off and I'd be able to see the clip had fallen off- maybe even broke off and worst case scenario, I'd have to wait until Monday to get another one, put it all back together and be on my way. No problem. WRONG!

Unfortunately, when I pulled the tailhousing off I found out the mainshaft wants to come with it. There's no way to pull just the tailhousing off the mainshaft. At this point I had tugged and pulled and I could hear things falling out of place and into the trans case. I very shortly realized the entire transmission was going to have to come out so I pulled it out of the truck.

Now I've got a transmission torn apart and I have no idea how it all goes back together again. I do have a diagram and some 'destructions' so hopefully I'll be able to figure it all out and be back up sometime next year. Yeah, I said next year. You see, I pulled this trans out in the back yard and today was our one day reprieve from the rainy season.

It's going to rain and rain and rain for the next 5 months non-stop.

I guess I'm going to get really, really wet when I try to do it in the rain and cold.

**jerry moss** · 11-11-2006, 09:11 PM

that sucks bigtime, hope it all works out for you

Rokcrln · 11-11-2006, 09:29 PM

For next time you pull a trany apart (like I did my first time) clean a spot off on the bench and put down alot of shop rags. Then start with the front or back of the trany and as you remove a part lay it on the shop rag in the order and place of how you removed it. Even go as far as making a pic that shows the part comming out and laying down on it's right hand side and so on. This way when you go to put it back together you can follow your own map that makes sence to you. I did this my first time with a NP435 as I pulled thetail shaft and heard the great sound of needle bearings falling to the bottom

But following this method it was not as bad as I thought it would have been. Good luck with your task at hand.

Kevin
LFD Inc.

Swifster · 11-11-2006, 09:37 PM

I'll go one step further than that. Make sure you have the service manual and follow the instructions. That said, I hope it goes back together easy. Good luck.

Rick Mills · 11-12-2006, 08:55 PM

Oh man... I thought things like that only happened to me.
I have a manual three speed with overdrive that did the same thing.
I pulled it a few years ago and its still sitting in my shop... in sections. I'm gonna take it to a shop and have them put it back together.

AesC10s · 11-12-2006, 09:19 PM

Man that sux. You gonna go to an auto now?

Brad · 11-12-2006, 10:16 PM

Aaron, no-although more relaxing, I'm gonna stick with the manual trans.

Guys, for several years I've been thinking about putting a T-5 in my truck but the cost for these was just too much for me to justify......until now.

I've been keeping an eye out for one in the $100 price range and I just couldn't find one- everyone wants $300 on up depending on what it's out of. Well, last night I went on Craigslist and low and behold, someone had posted an S-10 engine and trans for $300. I called this morning and went over there. Turns out he was willing to take $100 for just the trans and so I bought it. It's not EXACTLY what I want due to the 1st gear ratio, but hopefully I can figure out how to hook it all up and be running again in a week or two...with overdrive.

All you naysayers keep quiet!

These are proven to work behind an I6 with no ill effects. I'll have to figure out the clutch and possibly cut a 1/4" off the input shaft, but the biggest obstacle now is this darn Pacific NW rain!

shifty · 11-12-2006, 10:48 PM

Wish you lived closer, I have a perfect replacement for that thing that I am never going to use and would give it to you on the cheap cheap.

jimmydean · 11-12-2006, 11:33 PM

Brad, I feel your pain. I was trying to get my wires run for my air ride this weekend. I had to work in bursts during the 45 minute stages of no rain.

That being said, I am 75% done and I got soaked.

Good luck with the T5, that should be a nice combo.

shifty · 11-12-2006, 11:54 PM

I had the same thing happened. Tried doing fuel lines - the last thing required for my truck to start, really - and was quite unsuccessful

11-11-2006, 09:07 PM	#1
Brad Out of the carpool lane. Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Clark Co, WA Posts: 5,673	Awwww, crap! Today started out great- I went to one of the local Veterans day parade that the city has every year. Then, because it wasn't raining and the sun was out, I decided to try to fix my speedo gear on the main shaft in order to get a working speedometer again. I've got one of them 'new' Saginaw fully syncro 3 speeds. Well, I thought I just needed to pull the tailhousing off and I'd be able to see the clip had fallen off- maybe even broke off and worst case scenario, I'd have to wait until Monday to get another one, put it all back together and be on my way. No problem. WRONG! Unfortunately, when I pulled the tailhousing off I found out the mainshaft wants to come with it. There's no way to pull just the tailhousing off the mainshaft. At this point I had tugged and pulled and I could hear things falling out of place and into the trans case. I very shortly realized the entire transmission was going to have to come out so I pulled it out of the truck. Now I've got a transmission torn apart and I have no idea how it all goes back together again. I do have a diagram and some 'destructions' so hopefully I'll be able to figure it all out and be back up sometime next year. Yeah, I said next year. You see, I pulled this trans out in the back yard and today was our one day reprieve from the rainy season. It's going to rain and rain and rain for the next 5 months non-stop. I guess I'm going to get really, really wet when I try to do it in the rain and cold. __________________ 1968 C-10 SWB, 5.7 Vortec/700R4/3.73 posi, Torch Red 1968 Camaro, 250/Powerglide, all original (No, I'm not gonna drop a 350 in it!...Jeez!) 2000 Honda VFR in the faster yellow! 2008 Husqvarna TE-610 1967 C-10 SWB 'Six Appeal'-Gone but not forgotten...

11-11-2006, 09:11 PM	#2
jerry moss Born Psycho Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: brentwood,cal,usa Posts: 4,915	Re: Awwww, crap! that sucks bigtime, hope it all works out for you __________________ jerry moss 72 cheyenne super K20- tilt,tach,vacuum,speedwarning,buckets,shoulder belts,am/fm,tow hooks,bumper guards,toolbox,aux. fuel tank,posi front and rear,plus other goodies!!! SOLD 69 suburban K20-tilt,tach,vacuum,speedwarning,buckets,shoulder belts,am/fm,4 inch all spring lift,4 speed, 14 bolt full floater, dana 44 HD,warn winch,posi front and rear,tow hooks,plus other goodies. 73/80 chevy/gmc K20 SB400,turbo 400,205,tilt,a-c,gas hog. 77 K/5 cheyenne blazer-daily driver/beater. SON HAS IT NOW BRENTWOOD,CALIFORNIA

11-11-2006, 09:29 PM	#3
Rokcrln Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Winters Ca. 95694 Posts: 4,843	Re: Awwww, crap! For next time you pull a trany apart (like I did my first time) clean a spot off on the bench and put down alot of shop rags. Then start with the front or back of the trany and as you remove a part lay it on the shop rag in the order and place of how you removed it. Even go as far as making a pic that shows the part comming out and laying down on it's right hand side and so on. This way when you go to put it back together you can follow your own map that makes sence to you. I did this my first time with a NP435 as I pulled thetail shaft and heard the great sound of needle bearings falling to the bottom But following this method it was not as bad as I thought it would have been. Good luck with your task at hand. Kevin LFD Inc.

11-11-2006, 09:37 PM	#4
Swifster Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lakeland, FL Posts: 56	Re: Awwww, crap! I'll go one step further than that. Make sure you have the service manual and follow the instructions. That said, I hope it goes back together easy. Good luck. __________________ Tom 1964 Studebaker Daytona

11-12-2006, 08:55 PM	#5
Rick Mills Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 351	Re: Awwww, crap! Oh man... I thought things like that only happened to me. I have a manual three speed with overdrive that did the same thing. I pulled it a few years ago and its still sitting in my shop... in sections. I'm gonna take it to a shop and have them put it back together. __________________ The Fastor Pastor '68 swb, 447 BBC/ 6-71 Weiand, Dual 950 Bigs Carbs/ 2 1/2" Header tubes - 4" collectors/ M-21 4speed: '70 swb; TH-400 - bagged & shaved. Looking for new engine or parts. Wife - Original {A Real Classic!}

11-12-2006, 09:19 PM	#6
AesC10s Chevy truck addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Thornton Colorado Posts: 825	Re: Awwww, crap! Man that sux. You gonna go to an auto now?

11-12-2006, 10:16 PM	#7
Brad Out of the carpool lane. Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Clark Co, WA Posts: 5,673	Re: Awwww, crap! Aaron, no-although more relaxing, I'm gonna stick with the manual trans. Guys, for several years I've been thinking about putting a T-5 in my truck but the cost for these was just too much for me to justify......until now. I've been keeping an eye out for one in the $100 price range and I just couldn't find one- everyone wants $300 on up depending on what it's out of. Well, last night I went on Craigslist and low and behold, someone had posted an S-10 engine and trans for $300. I called this morning and went over there. Turns out he was willing to take $100 for just the trans and so I bought it. It's not EXACTLY what I want due to the 1st gear ratio, but hopefully I can figure out how to hook it all up and be running again in a week or two...with overdrive. All you naysayers keep quiet! These are proven to work behind an I6 with no ill effects. I'll have to figure out the clutch and possibly cut a 1/4" off the input shaft, but the biggest obstacle now is this darn Pacific NW rain! __________________ 1968 C-10 SWB, 5.7 Vortec/700R4/3.73 posi, Torch Red 1968 Camaro, 250/Powerglide, all original (No, I'm not gonna drop a 350 in it!...Jeez!) 2000 Honda VFR in the faster yellow! 2008 Husqvarna TE-610 1967 C-10 SWB 'Six Appeal'-Gone but not forgotten...

11-12-2006, 10:48 PM	#8
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,376	Re: Awwww, crap! Wish you lived closer, I have a perfect replacement for that thing that I am never going to use and would give it to you on the cheap cheap. __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM.

11-12-2006, 11:33 PM	#9
jimmydean Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Beaverton, OR Posts: 3,728	Re: Awwww, crap! Brad, I feel your pain. I was trying to get my wires run for my air ride this weekend. I had to work in bursts during the 45 minute stages of no rain. That being said, I am 75% done and I got soaked. Good luck with the T5, that should be a nice combo.

11-12-2006, 11:54 PM	#10
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,376	Re: Awwww, crap! I had the same thing happened. Tried doing fuel lines - the last thing required for my truck to start, really - and was quite unsuccessful __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM.



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