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Im at my wits end here with door alignment.
Im really at my end here. This door is goign to be the damn DEATH of me...
I can NOT get it to align. The top upper left corner touches and the upper right where it curves down is sitting about 3/4 of an inch to low. My questions are this. Can that door frame be bent? Can i remove the spot welds at the bottom right corner of the post and pull the post up a bit and reweld it??? ANY tips to getting the door to align would be appreciated.. here is another pic... Also, the hinges were pretty bad so i replaced them. Nice and firm now. ![]() |
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Re: Im at my wits end here with door alignment.
Just a thought... add a couple of washers under the upper door hinge where the door bolts too and try lifting the whole door a bit... You can also slide the upper part of the door out at the same time.
These things are tricky to align... I had to use a washer or two to get mine to align... also raising my hinges helped alot...even if it is a little bit. You might be suprised what raising or lowering the hinges can do to alignment... Don
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Re: Im at my wits end here with door alignment.
Yes alot of times it takes cutting and welding to make doors and cabs line up. that looks to be your only alternative in this case.
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Re: Im at my wits end here with door alignment.
Couple of questions. Has the hinge on the top been rebuilt? If you lift on the rear of the door do you feel slack/loose? If yes to question 2 the hinge is your problem. The pins have only a nylon bushing to support them and these after 30+ years give up and cause all types of problems. Is the door GM or aftermarket? If aftermarket many of them do not fit the hole very well and require adjustments to the window frame to fit the hole correctly- i.e. removing spot welds and adjusting. Is the door original to the truck? Some doors just don't fit other trucks very well. Last one have the rockers been replaced? Were the door opening braced when the rockers were cut out? If not the opening could have shifted and caused the problems you are having. I hope that the problem is the hinge as it is a $6 fix and relatively easy.
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Re: Im at my wits end here with door alignment.
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It looks to me like the truck might have been wrecked at one time. With the wide door gap at the bottom of the wing window and the gap at the back top corner I don't think you will be able to adjust it out.... I would say that the top of the a pillar is pushed back. How does the other side look? LockDoc
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Re: Im at my wits end here with door alignment.
Have you tried a different door? if you can strip and old door off a junker or something and have a look to see how it fits...as this might just be an out of shape door prob and not as big as a cab prob. If it's the same bad fit take the glass out of your door and cut and weld your door around the window frame to fit the opening rather than the other way round. Won't be to much of a change in shape to affect the glass and wing window going back in hopefully.
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Re: Im at my wits end here with door alignment.
looks factory correct to me. this is why my Dad always complained about GM's fit and finish.
the curved area gap is due to the drip rail being off. re-work the rial if you want ti to fit good. the gap at the bottom of the wing window area will take a bunch more work though. how does the cowl-door-A pillar-fender corner look? can you post some pics of that? |
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Re: Im at my wits end here with door alignment.
That looks better than a lot I've seen.
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its even better since i tweaked on it a bit.. Still doesnt fit right in the upper right corner and the lower left .... |
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Re: Im at my wits end here with door alignment.
Didn't I read here, or was it listening to my dad who worked at the St. Paul Ford plant for 42 years, that doors were aligned at the assembly plant with a 2x4? You bent the door frame by closing it on a hunk of 2x4.
I'm glad mine aligned good enough because I'd be afraid of bending them. Now that I'm on the subject of using 2x4s on your doors, I watched in horror one day as my dad whacked the door glass track on to the window with a hunk of 2x4. He was over and I mentioned that I had a new track, a new piece of rubber to put between the track and the glass, and couldn't figure out how to put it all together. He took the glass, rubber, and track out on to the grass in the lawn, lined up the rubber and track, and whacked the $#!+ out of the bottom of the track to get it on the window.
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Re: Im at my wits end here with door alignment.
I cut mine at the top where the A pillar meets the roof and took 1/4 inch out... I am running 1 piece windows so I did not have to worry about the vent window fitting back in properly...
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Re: Im at my wits end here with door alignment.
My plan is to remove the spot welds at the rear of the window track and move it UP 1/4 of an inch. Reweld it in and if i dont like how it looks i will do what you said and take some out of the top of the a pillar area....
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Re: Im at my wits end here with door alignment.
Just looking at it I think that the door will hit the cab in that front corner.... Looks tight now and if you raise the back that will move forward... unless you cut it where I cut mine to allow that gap to open up so just the top move up then reweld it.. Never the less... Good luck!
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Re: Im at my wits end here with door alignment.
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Re: Im at my wits end here with door alignment.
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Re: Im at my wits end here with door alignment.
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I can't see your photo from work, but sounds like what I had to do. Yes you are thinking correctly about the welds. I had to do the same thing on my passenger door (came from different truck). Check out my build thread...starts about Post #111 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=221437&page=5
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Re: Im at my wits end here with door alignment.
Now that I figured out the photos in here, yeah your door top looks like it got tweaked and I think C10addicts suggestion might be the best bet.
However before you cut, I think I might try placing a 2x4across the top of the door and whack it a few time to get that bow out, then release the loosen the welds on the rear of the door and see it you can get it to align better without the cut. If not, then do the adjustments with the cut suggested
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Re: Im at my wits end here with door alignment.
The part that sucked the worst for me is both of my doors were brand new Goodmark doors! Out of the box and under the knife!
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Re: Im at my wits end here with door alignment.
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I know that my top rail in the middle bows up... Im going to use the 2x4 method, beat on that middle section for a bit.. Then recheck the fitting... If that doesnt help, go with the right section first.. Hopefully i dont have to cut the apillar of the door.. that would suck. ahah... |
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