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**DeadheadNM** · 12-21-2014, 09:53 PM

Many issues with this 72 truck not addressed by the seller - I saw several bids and don't want to see a member get stuck with something less than they were expecting:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-C-...US_Cars_Trucks

teeitup · 12-21-2014, 10:16 PM

wow 2wd body, upper trim is WAY to high. Love the rivets on the vin plate. I'm sure there is more, I just took a quick look

teeitup · 12-21-2014, 10:22 PM

I emailed him Pete, I wonder if he will reply

CastIron · 12-22-2014, 12:29 AM

Wrong year engine, a lot of parts painted over. Shouldn't a K20 have 8 lug wheels? And it says "restored" lol. More like hacked together from multiple vehicles.

71K20chevy · 12-22-2014, 12:44 AM

Might be the absolute worst "restored" truck I've ever seen. Shoulda just left it alone...

Z10 · 12-22-2014, 01:10 AM

I just emailed him asking him to explain the altered VIN.

Lattimer · 12-22-2014, 01:20 AM

I like the picture with the missing lug nut and wheel stud.

57taskforce · 12-22-2014, 02:26 AM

Nothing says perfect restoration like a broken lug stud, 6 lug axles with 20 badges on the side and the sellers not its a 1/2 ton and not a 3/4 like he accidentally listed it as. It's fine to change things from stock, but at least be honest about it and present it as such. I can't imagine why there's no spid pic??? The rivets on the vin tag are another thing entirely.

leftybass209 · 12-22-2014, 02:42 AM

I think some of you should respect the owners choice of preferences for his vehicle. This isn't a forum for bashing and pointing out flaws on vehicles. The vin is cause for concern but could have been removed for paint. The 3/4, 1/2 ton issue is somewhat explained in the ad. If you truly have an interest in the truck email the owner and discuss your concerns.

**leddzepp** · 12-22-2014, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leftybass209

I think some of you should respect the owners choice of preferences for his vehicle. This isn't a forum for bashing and pointing out flaws on vehicles. The vin is cause for concern but could have been removed for paint. The 3/4, 1/2 ton issue is somewhat explained in the ad. If you truly have an interest in the truck email the owner and discuss your concerns.

Thank you. Now I don't have to type it out.

Unionwelder · 12-22-2014, 08:13 AM

teeitup · 12-22-2014, 09:36 AM

Leftybass209, I understand what your saying BUT with vin tag being a 2wd vin and the tag having wrong rivets, if someone in a state that inspects them, they would be screwed on getting a title in their state. In Kansas in order to get a clear title frame and vin have to match. Its clearly misrepresented, look how new the rivets are. Someone who spends the kind of money he is asking for it is going to be real pissed when they go try to inspect and register it. He replied to my question and said its a 2wd vin but says its legal since his DMV inspected it and gave him a clear title. Inspection would not fly in Kansas, once the frame numbers didn't match. Then the buyer would have a $12000 (depending on what you had to pay for it to start with) atleast in a truck that he couldn't get clear title for, then he would have to go through and spend more money to get a KS title, which I have done and its a pain. My learning experience only cost me on a $5000 truck

*Fitz* · 12-23-2014, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leftybass209

I think some of you should respect the owners choice of preferences for his vehicle. This isn't a forum for bashing and pointing out flaws on vehicles. The vin is cause for concern but could have been removed for paint. The 3/4, 1/2 ton issue is somewhat explained in the ad. If you truly have an interest in the truck email the owner and discuss your concerns.

No, this isn't a forum for bashing. It isn't a forum for thieves either.

Lee H · 12-22-2014, 10:05 AM

I appreciate members pointing out problems with ads. Could help help a fellow member avoid problems.

**LockDoc** · 12-22-2014, 10:28 AM

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The facts can be stated without bashing.... It's all in the choice of words. Some realize that and some don't. It's the ones that don't that get the threads locked.

LockDoc

ETsC10 · 12-24-2014, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LockDoc

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The facts can be stated without bashing.... It's all in the choice of words. Some realize that and some don't. It's the ones that don't that get the threads locked.

LockDoc

Touché Leon!

Never forget you may be bashing a fellow members truck.

A bit of diplomacy may give you the latitude to discuss
your opinion without stepping on the toes of the OP.

Aruba1 · 12-22-2014, 10:31 AM

For something being sold as "restored", I would be concerned about the large corrosion showing on the driver's side rocker panel. Shoot, if I was the seller I sure would have stated that in the description. Just saying....

**70cst** · 12-22-2014, 12:58 PM

Folks .... lets be positive in our responses.

Thanks

Aruba1 · 12-22-2014, 12:58 PM

Sorry if it was me :-)

Z10 · 12-22-2014, 01:14 PM

I sent the following to the owner:
Dear northwestm4x4,

Can you explain why the Vin Plate on your truck was removed and reattached with the wrong rivets? Does this Vin go with this truck. Would you be willing to have your DMV certify that it belongs to the truck?
Thanks,

His response:

Dear *****,

has been inspected by the dmv already so I have a title and matching vin that belongs to this truck there's no further inspection necessary. I assume the plate was removed while painting then reattached but not for sure.

My response to him:
Dear northwestm4x4,

You probably aren't aware of this, but your vin tag is for a 2 wheel drive truck. Also, the proper rivets used for attaching a vin are called rosette rivets. If inspected by your DMV, or another states DMV the truck could be confiscated as a stolen truck, and of course you would be held responsible. I do like your truck, but this is an issue.
Best Regards,

I'm betting this guy has no idea that he has a problem with the VIN. Hopefully he will do a little homework.

**70cst** · 12-22-2014, 01:39 PM

No problem ...

I think a positive response is healthy.

To inform is ok...to bash is a no no.

Sometimes the line between to two is thin

teeitup · 12-22-2014, 01:56 PM

I'm not sure how to inform without bashing on this one. I guess if you get burnt by someone like this before you hold hard feelings.
He knows its a 2wd vin but does not state that in add, he personally told me through email he knew it. Its a drum brake front end with a rockwell transfer case, 67-70 model. Its very hard to be positive when there are so many red flags. I'm just being honest, if its against board rules I'm sorry, but I'd hate for a board member to buy this and find more issues

**70cst** · 12-22-2014, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teeitup

I'm not sure how to inform without bashing on this one. I guess if you get burnt by someone like this before you hold hard feelings.
He knows its a 2wd vin but does not state that in add, he personally told me through email he knew it. Its a drum brake front end with a rockwell transfer case, 67-70 model. Its very hard to be positive when there are so many red flags. I'm just being honest, if its against board rules I'm sorry, but I'd hate for a board member to buy this and find more issues

Easy...

Good reply...
"Thats a nice looking truck but is ??? correct?"

Bad reply...
"Who would buy this truck...Look at all the issues this truck has ..."

Glass 1/2 full or half empty approach.

redbaron · 12-22-2014, 01:53 PM

I'm glad Deadhead started this thread and other members pointed out the peculiarities of this truck. I live in the great state of Idaho where the seller is also from and guarantee you I would not buy the truck. He may have got lucky with his local DMV rep there. Here our DMV rep is very strict and looks at the frame vins. Also look on the sellers ebay history, there is a negative response for misrepresenting another truck a buyer bought on it. I just don't understand why some members on here are being called basher. The facts look to speak for themselves.

C10_ustacould · 12-22-2014, 02:12 PM

Just some perspective from someone who got hammered on a truck purchased here on this site. I welcome all comments with regard to items that are intentionally misrepresented in their description. In fact, I wish someone who had seen the last truck I bought in person would have spoken up before I bought it. There are some instances when the owner doesn't know what he is selling, this type of person is ignorant and a buyer not a builder, and would hopefully react positively to concrete proof provided to correct the description on the vehicle for sale. But, there many instances where the seller is out to take advantage of someone for profit and that person is open season to be challenged in my opinion, the trick is knowing which person you are dealing with. The douche bags need to be outed and the ignorant need to be educated. Just my 2¢…

12-21-2014, 09:53 PM	#1
DeadheadNM Carpe manana Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Eau Claire, WI Posts: 12,422	Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence Many issues with this 72 truck not addressed by the seller - I saw several bids and don't want to see a member get stuck with something less than they were expecting: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-C-...US_Cars_Trucks __________________ 1972 K5 CST Highlander Blazer: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=708547 1972 K20 Cheyenne Super: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=528308 Members met: ORANGBLAZ, 2003 silverado, MikeCofield, BB72CHEVKT, Duncan&Son, Sameyrasmea72, THENEWMEXICAN, HotRod C/10, brianthelion02, Sport/Truck, ryanroo, michael bustamante, Dirt's72, Already Gone, WestButteTruck, 57taskforce, Moreyel, painterljp, AASmedic, SoCoC10, Lumaestas, carbuff382, Chevyland

12-21-2014, 10:16 PM	#2
teeitup Just like to part out trucks!! Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Meriden, Ks-North of Topeka 10 miles Posts: 27,396	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence wow 2wd body, upper trim is WAY to high. Love the rivets on the vin plate. I'm sure there is more, I just took a quick look __________________ 67 Chev swb stepside 4x4 283 4 speed SOLD 72 blazer 4x4 4 speed Cheyenne 72 GMC swb 4x4 fleet 4 speed, original paint 1958 Cameo (one of 1405 built, it was my dads) 2020 chevy Apex 4x4 crew cab 1969 Z28 with the 302 1980 chevy swb 4x4 1964 chevell Malibu SS 1976 K20, sold new originally out of my dads chevy dealership Members that I've met, over 200 probably closer to 300 in the 12 years I've been on this site, everyone I met "It was a pleasure"

12-21-2014, 10:22 PM	#3
teeitup Just like to part out trucks!! Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Meriden, Ks-North of Topeka 10 miles Posts: 27,396	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence I emailed him Pete, I wonder if he will reply __________________ 67 Chev swb stepside 4x4 283 4 speed SOLD 72 blazer 4x4 4 speed Cheyenne 72 GMC swb 4x4 fleet 4 speed, original paint 1958 Cameo (one of 1405 built, it was my dads) 2020 chevy Apex 4x4 crew cab 1969 Z28 with the 302 1980 chevy swb 4x4 1964 chevell Malibu SS 1976 K20, sold new originally out of my dads chevy dealership Members that I've met, over 200 probably closer to 300 in the 12 years I've been on this site, everyone I met "It was a pleasure"

12-22-2014, 12:29 AM	#4
CastIron Registered User Join Date: May 2013 Location: Oregon Posts: 329	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence Wrong year engine, a lot of parts painted over. Shouldn't a K20 have 8 lug wheels? And it says "restored" lol. More like hacked together from multiple vehicles.

12-22-2014, 12:44 AM	#5
71K20chevy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Ft Wayne Indiana Posts: 1,204	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence Might be the absolute worst "restored" truck I've ever seen. Shoulda just left it alone... __________________ 71 K20 64 GMC mud truck

12-22-2014, 01:10 AM	#6
Z10 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 1,267	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence I just emailed him asking him to explain the altered VIN. __________________ 1969 RS/SS Z10 Camaro Pace coupe 1972 GMC Short Step buildhttp://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=1#post6356218 1979 Mazda RX7 1979 Pontiac Trans Am WS6 & 1979 Pontiac Trans Am 10th Anniversary 1999 Honda Valkyrie 2006 Corvette Z06 2010 BMW 650i

12-22-2014, 01:20 AM	#7
Lattimer Registered User Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Mickleton, NJ Posts: 1,776	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence I like the picture with the missing lug nut and wheel stud. __________________ Shawn 1970 Chevy C-10 SWB, 350, TKO 600 5 speed My build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=559881

12-22-2014, 02:26 AM	#8
57taskforce All about them K’s Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Land of Entrapment Posts: 6,443	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence Nothing says perfect restoration like a broken lug stud, 6 lug axles with 20 badges on the side and the sellers not its a 1/2 ton and not a 3/4 like he accidentally listed it as. It's fine to change things from stock, but at least be honest about it and present it as such. I can't imagine why there's no spid pic??? The rivets on the vin tag are another thing entirely. __________________ Tyler '57 3100 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=813888 '72 K20 Cheyenne: 5” lift, 35’s, front dana 60 blah blah blah… http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=662879 ‘69 K10 SWB: 4” lift 33”s… in a million pieces http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=805206 '98 Silverado LT K2500HD ECLB Vortec 454/4l80E: 6" lift 35x12.5x20’s

12-22-2014, 02:42 AM	#9
leftybass209 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 2,189	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence I think some of you should respect the owners choice of preferences for his vehicle. This isn't a forum for bashing and pointing out flaws on vehicles. The vin is cause for concern but could have been removed for paint. The 3/4, 1/2 ton issue is somewhat explained in the ad. If you truly have an interest in the truck email the owner and discuss your concerns.

12-22-2014, 08:13 AM	#11
Unionwelder Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Central Texas Posts: 83	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence __________________ -Sterling GIG EM' AGGIES!!!! WHOOOOOOP!!!!! "Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're Right." -Henry Ford 1972 chevy lwb 1934 ford p/u

12-22-2014, 09:36 AM	#12
teeitup Just like to part out trucks!! Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Meriden, Ks-North of Topeka 10 miles Posts: 27,396	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence Leftybass209, I understand what your saying BUT with vin tag being a 2wd vin and the tag having wrong rivets, if someone in a state that inspects them, they would be screwed on getting a title in their state. In Kansas in order to get a clear title frame and vin have to match. Its clearly misrepresented, look how new the rivets are. Someone who spends the kind of money he is asking for it is going to be real pissed when they go try to inspect and register it. He replied to my question and said its a 2wd vin but says its legal since his DMV inspected it and gave him a clear title. Inspection would not fly in Kansas, once the frame numbers didn't match. Then the buyer would have a $12000 (depending on what you had to pay for it to start with) atleast in a truck that he couldn't get clear title for, then he would have to go through and spend more money to get a KS title, which I have done and its a pain. My learning experience only cost me on a $5000 truck __________________ 67 Chev swb stepside 4x4 283 4 speed SOLD 72 blazer 4x4 4 speed Cheyenne 72 GMC swb 4x4 fleet 4 speed, original paint 1958 Cameo (one of 1405 built, it was my dads) 2020 chevy Apex 4x4 crew cab 1969 Z28 with the 302 1980 chevy swb 4x4 1964 chevell Malibu SS 1976 K20, sold new originally out of my dads chevy dealership Members that I've met, over 200 probably closer to 300 in the 12 years I've been on this site, everyone I met "It was a pleasure" Last edited by teeitup; 12-22-2014 at 09:48 AM.

12-22-2014, 10:05 AM	#14
Lee H Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Upland Ca Posts: 4,147	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence I appreciate members pointing out problems with ads. Could help help a fellow member avoid problems. __________________ 1972 C10 SWB, Air, PS, PB, 350/350THM. Second owner. 1965 Corvette roadster, 44K miles, 327/365 SHP, 4 speed, side exhaust, knockoffs, teak, second owner (bought in 1970), Have ALL numbers matching components. My frame off restoration thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=556703

12-22-2014, 10:28 AM	#15
LockDoc The Older Generation Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Posts: 25,637	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence - The facts can be stated without bashing.... It's all in the choice of words. Some realize that and some don't. It's the ones that don't that get the threads locked. LockDoc __________________ Leon Locksmith, Specializing In Antique Trucks, Automobiles, & Motorcycles (My Dually Pickup Project Thread) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=829820 -

12-22-2014, 10:31 AM	#17
Aruba1 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 560	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence For something being sold as "restored", I would be concerned about the large corrosion showing on the driver's side rocker panel. Shoot, if I was the seller I sure would have stated that in the description. Just saying....

12-22-2014, 12:58 PM	#18
70cst Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: New Madison, Ohio Posts: 21,373	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence Folks .... lets be positive in our responses. Thanks __________________ A husband can be right...or...A husband can be happy. 67-72 Chevy and GMC Trucks...The Classic Truck for the Classic Folk. 1970 CST Two tone green, 402BB, 400 Automatic, Tach, Buckets, AC, AM-FM, Tilt, GM CB, GM 8 Tract, LWB, etc JOHN 17:3...The better side of "LIFE" Remember: Everyday is a good day...Some are just gooder!



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12-22-2014, 01:14 PM	#20
Z10 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 1,267	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence I sent the following to the owner: Dear northwestm4x4, Can you explain why the Vin Plate on your truck was removed and reattached with the wrong rivets? Does this Vin go with this truck. Would you be willing to have your DMV certify that it belongs to the truck? Thanks, His response: Dear ****, has been inspected by the dmv already so I have a title and matching vin that belongs to this truck there's no further inspection necessary. I assume the plate was removed while painting then reattached but not for sure. My response to him: Dear northwestm4x4, You probably aren't aware of this, but your vin tag is for a 2 wheel drive truck. Also, the proper rivets used for attaching a vin are called rosette rivets. If inspected by your DMV, or another states DMV the truck could be confiscated as a stolen truck, and of course you would be held responsible. I do like your truck, but this is an issue. Best Regards, I'm betting this guy has no idea that he has a problem with the VIN. Hopefully he will do a little homework. __________________ 1969 RS/SS Z10 Camaro Pace coupe 1972 GMC Short Step buildhttp://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=1#post6356218 1979 Mazda RX7 1979 Pontiac Trans Am WS6 & 1979 Pontiac Trans Am 10th Anniversary 1999 Honda Valkyrie 2006 Corvette Z06 2010 BMW 650i Last edited by Z10; 12-22-2014 at 01:58 PM.*

12-22-2014, 01:39 PM	#21
70cst Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: New Madison, Ohio Posts: 21,373	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence No problem ... I think a positive response is healthy. To inform is ok...to bash is a no no. Sometimes the line between to two is thin __________________ A husband can be right...or...A husband can be happy. 67-72 Chevy and GMC Trucks...The Classic Truck for the Classic Folk. 1970 CST Two tone green, 402BB, 400 Automatic, Tach, Buckets, AC, AM-FM, Tilt, GM CB, GM 8 Tract, LWB, etc JOHN 17:3...The better side of "LIFE" Remember: Everyday is a good day...Some are just gooder!

12-22-2014, 01:56 PM	#22
teeitup Just like to part out trucks!! Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Meriden, Ks-North of Topeka 10 miles Posts: 27,396	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence I'm not sure how to inform without bashing on this one. I guess if you get burnt by someone like this before you hold hard feelings. He knows its a 2wd vin but does not state that in add, he personally told me through email he knew it. Its a drum brake front end with a rockwell transfer case, 67-70 model. Its very hard to be positive when there are so many red flags. I'm just being honest, if its against board rules I'm sorry, but I'd hate for a board member to buy this and find more issues __________________ 67 Chev swb stepside 4x4 283 4 speed SOLD 72 blazer 4x4 4 speed Cheyenne 72 GMC swb 4x4 fleet 4 speed, original paint 1958 Cameo (one of 1405 built, it was my dads) 2020 chevy Apex 4x4 crew cab 1969 Z28 with the 302 1980 chevy swb 4x4 1964 chevell Malibu SS 1976 K20, sold new originally out of my dads chevy dealership Members that I've met, over 200 probably closer to 300 in the 12 years I've been on this site, everyone I met "It was a pleasure"

12-22-2014, 01:53 PM	#24
redbaron Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kimberly, Id Posts: 390	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence I'm glad Deadhead started this thread and other members pointed out the peculiarities of this truck. I live in the great state of Idaho where the seller is also from and guarantee you I would not buy the truck. He may have got lucky with his local DMV rep there. Here our DMV rep is very strict and looks at the frame vins. Also look on the sellers ebay history, there is a negative response for misrepresenting another truck a buyer bought on it. I just don't understand why some members on here are being called basher. The facts look to speak for themselves. Last edited by redbaron; 12-22-2014 at 02:10 PM.

12-22-2014, 02:12 PM	#25
C10_ustacould A day late and $1 short... Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northwest FL Posts: 3,877	Re: Ebay truck - potential buyers cautioned to do due diligence Just some perspective from someone who got hammered on a truck purchased here on this site. I welcome all comments with regard to items that are intentionally misrepresented in their description. In fact, I wish someone who had seen the last truck I bought in person would have spoken up before I bought it. There are some instances when the owner doesn't know what he is selling, this type of person is ignorant and a buyer not a builder, and would hopefully react positively to concrete proof provided to correct the description on the vehicle for sale. But, there many instances where the seller is out to take advantage of someone for profit and that person is open season to be challenged in my opinion, the trick is knowing which person you are dealing with. The douche bags need to be outed and the ignorant need to be educated. Just my 2¢… __________________ Buck Instagram: C10_ustacould 1963 SWB Fleet Side 528 Desert Beige Milly 1967 SWB Step Side 506 Medium Blue The Old Girl 1968 SWB Fleet Side 503 Light Green Ellie SOLD 1965 SWB Fleet Side 507 Light Blue Prescription Strength SOLD 1971 SWB Fleet Side 521 White Shiro SOLD 1968 SWB Step Side 503 Light Green My Old Farm Truck SOLD

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