Drag(street) racing murder trial, verdict - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

**crossy** · 05-28-2003, 10:31 PM

I won't go int o specifics but a few weeks ago the wifey called my attention to Court TV and i got hooked on following this trail from a double death related to street racing in San Diego, Ca. they were trying to get these guys 30 Years each! I will say they got off lucky with the arguements the prosecutors had made, but damn even at 7 & 12 years.
guys it was pathetic the day i watched seeing how the Prosecuting lawyers tried to make these guys look like serial killers for bolting on Holley carburetors , headers and mag wheels.

One question the lawyer asked about the guys line loc and then proceded to tell the jury how this makes his car faster

man, I must be getting old to play 'father' to this crowd.

Hey on a brighter note .

How do you tell a dead lawyer in the road from a dead snake in the road??

There will be skid marks in front of the dead snake!

Russell · 05-28-2003, 11:29 PM

I ran over a snake the other day with the blazer... I felt like poop when I saw it flopping around in my mirror... It was either hit the ditch, hit a bus, or run over the snake, I chose the snake

low 84 · 05-29-2003, 12:36 AM

so what happened as far as the killing? accidental wreck or somethin?

just curious b/c some pretty serious street racing goes on here, not that i would know or anything.....................

littlebubba · 05-29-2003, 12:38 AM

There was a similar case in Detroit last year, only the cops were sitting by watching the race action. Mustang lost control and killed a couple bystanders. Cops were charged for negligent homicide/manslaughter for not stopping it. Drivers also charged. City got sued bigtime by the deceased families.

**crossy** · 05-29-2003, 12:49 AM

low84,

http://www.courttv.com/trials/dragrace/

under the area of 'GUILTY OF LESSER CHARGES'.
click on 'FULL STORY'

ZIDIGI, but if was between the snake and a lawyer the snake slithers away unhurt right ?

Mike76251 · 05-29-2003, 12:53 AM

I'll give you a odd one,
A guy had one of our trucks (mid 80's) that he got from the military. It still wore it's CARC camo paint and he was going down the road when this old bat pulled right in front of him.
He hit the bag and she sued and won.
She claimed she couldn't see the truck due to it's camo paint.
This occured in broad daylight.

69Elky · 05-29-2003, 01:24 AM

or it could of been the old bat was half blind...

navybear70 · 05-29-2003, 01:51 AM

Mike, that is absurd! Thats like the burgular that sues for sharp objects in a house. Come on!!!

Mike76251 · 05-29-2003, 04:20 AM

Absurd indeed.
Maybe we should shoot more judges for allowing such suits.

87 STEPPER · 05-29-2003, 10:09 AM

There could be mark's in front of the dead lawyer from hard accelaration to make shure he was hit hard enough to be killed and not be able to slither away.

There was a case that just ended last week @ the Ft. Lauderdale court house where this guy in a 2002 Pontiac T/A was doing over 100MPH on a residential street and this teenage girl was backing out of her drive way and he slamed into her killing her and a friend.

And he got convicted not shure how many years he's gonna get but the state used the airbag computer form his car to show that it recorded the speed over a 100 at time of impact or airbag deployment and of corse he said he was only doing about 50 or 60MPH.

It's the first case of it's kind in the country to ues on board computer's that record information to convict someone of a crime and it's likely the auto Mfg's will be adding more parameters to record things like throttle position, hydraulic press. in the brake lines, what gear the trany was in, Eng. RPM'S, and so on.

**old Rusty C10** · 05-29-2003, 12:50 PM

as to what 87 stepper said, on Discovery a while back they had a whole show as to how they will now bw using the computer int he car to determine how fast etc the car was moving prior to impact. Its good in one way but bad in another. IMHO noone has the right to do 100MPH down the street especially in a residential neighborhood and if thats what it takes to convict an imbicle for vehicular manslaughter then sobe it im all for it. I just hope that this wont be twisted so that insurance companies will find loophole to gt out of covering accidents.
As for lawyers yes some of them do push the limits but in many instances they do help. last year my daughter was struck by a car and my lawyer got her a decent settlement. some people wont see it that way but heyim sure 99% of these peopel who whine about lawyers will be the first one hiring the ambluance chaser the first time someone rear ends them

AirMale · 05-29-2003, 04:10 PM

If all the lawyers died tommorrow the world would be a better place!

05-28-2003, 10:31 PM	#1
crossy Oh,you can't buy that new Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Pennsville,N.J. 08070, USA Posts: 2,039	Drag(street) racing murder trial, verdict I won't go int o specifics but a few weeks ago the wifey called my attention to Court TV and i got hooked on following this trail from a double death related to street racing in San Diego, Ca. they were trying to get these guys 30 Years each! I will say they got off lucky with the arguements the prosecutors had made, but damn even at 7 & 12 years. guys it was pathetic the day i watched seeing how the Prosecuting lawyers tried to make these guys look like serial killers for bolting on Holley carburetors , headers and mag wheels. One question the lawyer asked about the guys line loc and then proceded to tell the jury how this makes his car faster man, I must be getting old to play 'father' to this crowd. Hey on a brighter note . How do you tell a dead lawyer in the road from a dead snake in the road?? There will be skid marks in front of the dead snake! __________________ "been there, done that, ruined the T-shirt". 2007 LBZ GMC Sierra, ECSB 2006 LM7 RCSB Silverado 98 Vortec project. 94,3500,6.5L 4L80 81 SWB GMC POS finally gone 73 Pinto, stock, w/CragarSS's-eww LOTS of Cummins trucks.

05-28-2003, 11:29 PM	#2
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	I ran over a snake the other day with the blazer... I felt like poop when I saw it flopping around in my mirror... It was either hit the ditch, hit a bus, or run over the snake, I chose the snake __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap)

05-29-2003, 12:36 AM	#3
low 84 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,144	so what happened as far as the killing? accidental wreck or somethin? just curious b/c some pretty serious street racing goes on here, not that i would know or anything..................... __________________ '51 F100, backhalf with a narrowed 9 and coil overs, 18.5" mickeys, monte front clip, +400" sbc in the works '05 1500 Crew Cab RIP '84 swb 5/7 drop, solid cammed 408 w/ fully ported dart heads, th350 w/ 10 inch hughes, 12 bolt w/ 3.73 richmonds and a locker '80 swb 4x4 in progress: 7" lift, 350 th350/np205, d44 and 1.5" ORD tie rod, 14BFF w/discs , armored diff covers, 40" MTR's

05-29-2003, 12:38 AM	#4
littlebubba Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Clinton Twp., Michigan Posts: 323	Similar case in Detroit There was a similar case in Detroit last year, only the cops were sitting by watching the race action. Mustang lost control and killed a couple bystanders. Cops were charged for negligent homicide/manslaughter for not stopping it. Drivers also charged. City got sued bigtime by the deceased families.

05-29-2003, 12:49 AM	#5
crossy Oh,you can't buy that new Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Pennsville,N.J. 08070, USA Posts: 2,039	low84, http://www.courttv.com/trials/dragrace/ under the area of 'GUILTY OF LESSER CHARGES'. click on 'FULL STORY' ZIDIGI, but if was between the snake and a lawyer the snake slithers away unhurt right ? __________________ "been there, done that, ruined the T-shirt". 2007 LBZ GMC Sierra, ECSB 2006 LM7 RCSB Silverado 98 Vortec project. 94,3500,6.5L 4L80 81 SWB GMC POS finally gone 73 Pinto, stock, w/CragarSS's-eww LOTS of Cummins trucks.

05-29-2003, 12:53 AM	#6
Mike76251 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,500	I'll give you a odd one, A guy had one of our trucks (mid 80's) that he got from the military. It still wore it's CARC camo paint and he was going down the road when this old bat pulled right in front of him. He hit the bag and she sued and won. She claimed she couldn't see the truck due to it's camo paint. This occured in broad daylight.

05-29-2003, 01:24 AM	#7
69Elky Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 121	or it could of been the old bat was half blind...

05-29-2003, 01:51 AM	#8
navybear70 hometown heroes! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ewa Beach, HI Posts: 487	Mike, that is absurd! Thats like the burgular that sues for sharp objects in a house. Come on!!! __________________ 2009 Silverado 2wd, 121k as of 04APR13. I love my truck 29 days out of the month. The payment is due on the 30th... Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, you should never wish to do less. -Robert E. Lee "Never give up ground you've already taken." -Unknown

05-29-2003, 04:20 AM	#9
Mike76251 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,500	Absurd indeed. Maybe we should shoot more judges for allowing such suits.

05-29-2003, 10:09 AM	#10
87 STEPPER STILL PLAYS WITH TRUX Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Melbourne, Fla. Posts: 2,764	There could be mark's in front of the dead lawyer from hard accelaration to make shure he was hit hard enough to be killed and not be able to slither away. There was a case that just ended last week @ the Ft. Lauderdale court house where this guy in a 2002 Pontiac T/A was doing over 100MPH on a residential street and this teenage girl was backing out of her drive way and he slamed into her killing her and a friend. And he got convicted not shure how many years he's gonna get but the state used the airbag computer form his car to show that it recorded the speed over a 100 at time of impact or airbag deployment and of corse he said he was only doing about 50 or 60MPH. It's the first case of it's kind in the country to ues on board computer's that record information to convict someone of a crime and it's likely the auto Mfg's will be adding more parameters to record things like throttle position, hydraulic press. in the brake lines, what gear the trany was in, Eng. RPM'S, and so on. __________________ ~~Bruce~~ MY 87 STEPPER MY 99 2D/WD TAHOE Last edited by 87 STEPPER; 05-29-2003 at 10:18 AM.

05-29-2003, 12:50 PM	#11
old Rusty C10 Robert Olson Transport Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: recent transplant to NC USA Posts: 20,280	as to what 87 stepper said, on Discovery a while back they had a whole show as to how they will now bw using the computer int he car to determine how fast etc the car was moving prior to impact. Its good in one way but bad in another. IMHO noone has the right to do 100MPH down the street especially in a residential neighborhood and if thats what it takes to convict an imbicle for vehicular manslaughter then sobe it im all for it. I just hope that this wont be twisted so that insurance companies will find loophole to gt out of covering accidents. As for lawyers yes some of them do push the limits but in many instances they do help. last year my daughter was struck by a car and my lawyer got her a decent settlement. some people wont see it that way but heyim sure 99% of these peopel who whine about lawyers will be the first one hiring the ambluance chaser the first time someone rear ends them __________________ Bob 1951 International running on a squarebody chassis "If a man's worth is judged by the people he associates himself with, then i am the richest man in the world knowing some of the fine people of this board" http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/a...t.php?f=25&a=9 (you can review the site rules here!) PM Me for your vehicle/parts hauling needs in the North East US or see my Facebook page Robert Olson Transport Live each day to the fullest.. you never know when fate is going to pull the rug out from under you... I hate cancer!!

05-29-2003, 04:10 PM	#12
AirMale Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Atlantic City, NJ Posts: 1,073	If all the lawyers died tommorrow the world would be a better place! __________________ 86 SWB 9.0 LITER T-400-OD 4.11 eaton-4/5 drop Best 1/4 12.51 @112mph no traction



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