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timcos · 02-10-2007, 12:36 AM

OK...I have got to know...and yes I will ask the dumb question.

What is a Short Wide Box...and for that matter is there a thinner box?

Tim

1969k10stepside · 02-10-2007, 12:39 AM

It means short fleetside,as comparing to a short step bed.Wide=Fleetside,then there is just the stepside.
Short Wide Box is shown below,its a pic of my truck bed on my swb 4x4
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e rock · 02-10-2007, 01:10 AM

Can anyone authoritatively say that SWB stands for "Short Wide Bed" as opposed to "Short Wheel Base" when it comes to these trucks?

In virtually every other context that I've come across, SWB and LWB stand for short & long wheel base.

I understand the desire to make a distinction between fleet- and step-side beds, but I don't think that's the original connotation of the abbreviations.

Longhorn Man · 02-10-2007, 01:13 AM

all my life, SWB ment short wheel base... and LWB was long wheel base. I had never head SWB meaning wide... never even heard of a bed refered to as wide or narrow till I came here.

RACINJASON22 · 02-10-2007, 01:18 AM

SWB short wheel base. Short and wide is a nick name.

BTW Longhorn Man what would you call yours ELWB Extra long wheel base. lol

**breeh** · 02-10-2007, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longhorn Man

all my life, SWB ment short wheel base... and LWB was long wheel base. I had never head SWB meaning wide... never even heard of a bed refered to as wide or narrow till I came here.

cheyenne10 · 02-10-2007, 01:39 AM

One of these!!

Joe67 · 02-11-2007, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longhorn Man

all my life, SWB ment short wheel base... and LWB was long wheel base. I had never head SWB meaning wide... never even heard of a bed refered to as wide or narrow till I came here.

Same here.

Fleetside and Stepside beds have always been called just that to me.

1969k10stepside · 02-10-2007, 01:19 AM

To me,swb means short wheel base and lwb means long wheel base.I put that in my sig under that meaning,although currently both are "wide beds" to those that go by that abreviation.But they mean the wheel base in my signature,atleast

timcos · 02-10-2007, 01:46 AM

Yes...I also have understood that SWB...was Short Wheel Base and LWB meant Long Wheel Base.

I have seen Short Wide a few times as well...and I guess it is a slip of the mind...

Tim

FLEET72 · 02-10-2007, 02:29 AM

For me the acronym SWB meant Short Wheel Base. If one was to refer to a Short wide it would stated as "short, wide". But that's just me.

BLACK AND BLUE 67-72 · 02-10-2007, 04:07 AM

SWB= Short Wheel Base, LWB= Long Wheel Base Thats the way I have heard it for the past 31 years..

**special-K** · 02-10-2007, 04:28 AM

It really doesn`t matter.I always can tell what a person means whichever way it`s used.Hasn`t anyone ever seen an abbreviation stand for more than one thing?What does USMC stand for?What`s USN?How about USAF?So,that must mean USA stands for The Army,right?Besides,United States Of America would be USOA,right?When you go to court does the judge give you a "P"eanut "B"utter & "J"elly sandwhich or "P"robation "B"efore "J"udgement?

hugger69SWBCST · 02-10-2007, 10:15 PM

Right around here "Wheel Base"

krue · 02-10-2007, 10:19 PM

Since my stepside is a SWB I assume it means short wheel base.

**special-K** · 02-11-2007, 01:20 AM

Look at 1tons that come cab`n`chassis...no bed.They come in SWB (60"CA) and LWB (84"CA).

**N2TRUX** · 02-11-2007, 01:34 AM

Here we go again. This is an old one that comes to surface every so often.

While it's true that the manufacturers use SWB as an acronym for "short wheel base" the term "short wide bed" has been used to to distinguish a short wheel base truck as fleet side rather than stepside in the South for many years.

Where I grew up the majority of the short bed trucks were stepsides. Looking back I realize they were probably 67-72 GM trucks. When the 73-87 trucks came along the most popular one to fix up was a "short wide bed". We probably called it that because we didn't readily know the term "fleetside".

It may not be the correct term, but it certainly is one that was used by many when I was in high school.

**special-K** · 02-11-2007, 01:40 AM

Yeah,so you have a swbwb,right?Doh!

**N2TRUX** · 02-11-2007, 02:15 AM

No, just a short wide bed...DOH

**special-K** · 02-11-2007, 08:24 AM

Just had a spare monkey wrench to through in,lol.I agree w/N2TRUX.Isn`t the english language already full of doubles?You know live/live,etc.Like I said,either way I always seem to know what they mean.It`s only in print and the rest of the content usually defines it.We never say "SWB" when we`re talking,right?

sameyrasmea72 · 02-11-2007, 09:41 AM

When I sell a truck in the local paper or thrifty, I use The SWB term and never, not once has anyone asked me if it was a fleet or stepside. I guess around here people just assume short wide.

Until recently the only time I used the word fleet was when describing a non-cameo 57-59 chevy truck.

PanelDeland · 02-11-2007, 10:50 AM

I agre with wheelbase.Bed width is step or fleet.JMHO

FarmTruk · 02-11-2007, 06:21 PM

Until I found this board a few months back, I'd never heard the term "short wide box"...

Maybe it's a Texas thing...

**special-K** · 02-11-2007, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FarmTruk

Until I found this board a few months back, I'd never heard the term "short wide box"...

Maybe it's a Texas thing...

I`ve always heard them called "beds" not "boxes".Some people put "canopies" on them,others put "toppers" on,but around here we put "caps" on our short wide beds,er boxes,er short wheel base trucks(lorry in english.Wait,I thought I did speak english).

*Shane* · 02-11-2007, 07:42 PM

I have lived in the South all my life and have NEVER heard a fleet referred to as a short wide bed.

SWB and LWB has always been used to refer to wheel base, regardless of the bed.

02-10-2007, 12:36 AM	#1
timcos Chief Honcho In Charge Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bentonville AR Posts: 970	Short Wide Box OK...I have got to know...and yes I will ask the dumb question. What is a Short Wide Box...and for that matter is there a thinner box? Tim __________________ 1992 1500 4x4 Shortbed 1984 Ford F250 Supercab Longbed 6.9L Diesel 1972 K10 Cheyenne Super Fleetside Short Bed - 350 - A/C 1971 VW SuperBeetle 1960 Wife 1984 Son 1986 Son 1989 Son Previous Trucks 1967 C10 SWB (1980-1981) 1971 C10 LWB (1998-2004)

02-10-2007, 12:39 AM	#2
1969k10stepside Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: USA Posts: 21,020	Re: Short Wide Box It means short fleetside,as comparing to a short step bed.Wide=Fleetside,then there is just the stepside. Short Wide Box is shown below,its a pic of my truck bed on my swb 4x4 Last edited by 1969k10stepside; 02-10-2007 at 12:40 AM.

02-10-2007, 01:10 AM	#3
e rock Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Monroe, WA Posts: 87	Re: Short Wide Box Can anyone authoritatively say that SWB stands for "Short Wide Bed" as opposed to "Short Wheel Base" when it comes to these trucks? In virtually every other context that I've come across, SWB and LWB stand for short & long wheel base. I understand the desire to make a distinction between fleet- and step-side beds, but I don't think that's the original connotation of the abbreviations. Last edited by e rock; 02-10-2007 at 01:11 AM.

02-10-2007, 01:13 AM	#4
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: Short Wide Box all my life, SWB ment short wheel base... and LWB was long wheel base. I had never head SWB meaning wide... never even heard of a bed refered to as wide or narrow till I came here.

02-10-2007, 01:18 AM	#5
RACINJASON22 GEARHEAD Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CENTRAL,PA Posts: 2,284	Re: Short Wide Box SWB short wheel base. Short and wide is a nick name. BTW Longhorn Man what would you call yours ELWB Extra long wheel base. lol __________________ 72 SWB 2WD MY PROJECT 72 LWB 4X4 FUTURE PROJECT SUBSCRIBE HEREBOARD VENDORS HERE NORWOOD MEET SURVIVOR! Last edited by RACINJASON22; 02-10-2007 at 01:20 AM.

02-10-2007, 01:39 AM	#7
cheyenne10 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,512	Re: Short Wide Box One of these!! Attached Images __________________ Bob

02-10-2007, 01:19 AM	#9
1969k10stepside Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: USA Posts: 21,020	Re: Short Wide Box To me,swb means short wheel base and lwb means long wheel base.I put that in my sig under that meaning,although currently both are "wide beds" to those that go by that abreviation.But they mean the wheel base in my signature,atleast

02-10-2007, 01:46 AM	#10
timcos Chief Honcho In Charge Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bentonville AR Posts: 970	Re: Short Wide Box Yes...I also have understood that SWB...was Short Wheel Base and LWB meant Long Wheel Base. I have seen Short Wide a few times as well...and I guess it is a slip of the mind... Tim __________________ 1992 1500 4x4 Shortbed 1984 Ford F250 Supercab Longbed 6.9L Diesel 1972 K10 Cheyenne Super Fleetside Short Bed - 350 - A/C 1971 VW SuperBeetle 1960 Wife 1984 Son 1986 Son 1989 Son Previous Trucks 1967 C10 SWB (1980-1981) 1971 C10 LWB (1998-2004)

02-10-2007, 02:29 AM	#11
FLEET72 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sonoma, CA Posts: 521	Re: Short Wide Box For me the acronym SWB meant Short Wheel Base. If one was to refer to a Short wide it would stated as "short, wide". But that's just me. __________________ Oscar '72 Shortbed Fleetside '95 Jimmy 4X4 '69 GMC Custom Camper

02-10-2007, 04:07 AM	#12
BLACK AND BLUE 67-72 Firefighter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Yellville, Ar, USA Posts: 1,943	Re: Short Wide Box SWB= Short Wheel Base, LWB= Long Wheel Base Thats the way I have heard it for the past 31 years.. __________________ '72 Chevy SWB 350 Auto '67 GMC LWB 350 4 speed '70 Chevy 4x4 Stepside 350 Auto Yellville, Ar. USA

02-10-2007, 04:28 AM	#13
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,861	Re: Short Wide Box It really doesn`t matter.I always can tell what a person means whichever way it`s used.Hasn`t anyone ever seen an abbreviation stand for more than one thing?What does USMC stand for?What`s USN?How about USAF?So,that must mean USA stands for The Army,right?Besides,United States Of America would be USOA,right?When you go to court does the judge give you a "P"eanut "B"utter & "J"elly sandwhich or "P"robation "B"efore "J"udgement? __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

02-10-2007, 10:15 PM	#14
hugger69SWBCST Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Rogers, Arkansas Posts: 52	Re: Short Wide Box Right around here "Wheel Base"

02-10-2007, 10:19 PM	#15
krue Designated A-hole! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South Mississippi Posts: 36,450	Re: Short Wide Box Since my stepside is a SWB I assume it means short wheel base. __________________ "If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is!" Being stupid ain't illegal. We're Still Debt Free Except for the House!!! www.daveramsey.com 70 GMC SWB Stepside project "Green Booger" soon to be 6.0l/4l80e 93 S-10 "Poppaw's Truck"

02-11-2007, 01:20 AM	#16
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,861	Re: Short Wide Box Look at 1tons that come cab`n`chassis...no bed.They come in SWB (60"CA) and LWB (84"CA). __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

02-11-2007, 01:34 AM	#17
N2TRUX Happy to be here Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 39,023	Re: Short Wide Box Here we go again. This is an old one that comes to surface every so often. While it's true that the manufacturers use SWB as an acronym for "short wheel base" the term "short wide bed" has been used to to distinguish a short wheel base truck as fleet side rather than stepside in the South for many years. Where I grew up the majority of the short bed trucks were stepsides. Looking back I realize they were probably 67-72 GM trucks. When the 73-87 trucks came along the most popular one to fix up was a "short wide bed". We probably called it that because we didn't readily know the term "fleetside". It may not be the correct term, but it certainly is one that was used by many when I was in high school. __________________ Follow me on Facebook and Instagram @N2trux.com Articles- "Jake" the 84 to 74 crewcab "Elwood" the77_Remix 85 GMC Sierra "Scarlett" "Refining Sierra" Last edited by N2TRUX; 02-11-2007 at 01:35 AM.



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02-11-2007, 01:40 AM	#18
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,861	Re: Short Wide Box Yeah,so you have a swbwb,right?Doh! __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

02-11-2007, 02:15 AM	#19
N2TRUX Happy to be here Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 39,023	Re: Short Wide Box No, just a short wide bed...DOH __________________ Follow me on Facebook and Instagram @N2trux.com Articles- "Jake" the 84 to 74 crewcab "Elwood" the77_Remix 85 GMC Sierra "Scarlett" "Refining Sierra"

02-11-2007, 08:24 AM	#20
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,861	Re: Short Wide Box Just had a spare monkey wrench to through in,lol.I agree w/N2TRUX.Isn`t the english language already full of doubles?You know live/live,etc.Like I said,either way I always seem to know what they mean.It`s only in print and the rest of the content usually defines it.We never say "SWB" when we`re talking,right? __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

02-11-2007, 09:41 AM	#21
sameyrasmea72 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Lubbock, Texas Posts: 2,443	Re: Short Wide Box When I sell a truck in the local paper or thrifty, I use The SWB term and never, not once has anyone asked me if it was a fleet or stepside. I guess around here people just assume short wide. Until recently the only time I used the word fleet was when describing a non-cameo 57-59 chevy truck. __________________ 72 Cheyenne Super 80 Silverado Blazer 2wd

02-11-2007, 10:50 AM	#22
PanelDeland I am a Referee of life. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Greensboro N.C. Posts: 13,993	Re: Short Wide Box I agre with wheelbase.Bed width is step or fleet.JMHO __________________ The 47-present Chevrolet and GMC Truck Message Board Network,it's owners,moderators,members,and associates of any type should not be held responsible for my opinion. You can't fix stupid,not even with duct tape. "My appearance is due to the fact that "GOD" does punish you for having too much fun!" Barrett-Jackson has perfected alchemy,they make rust into gold! "You can lead a horse to water but you can't saddle a duck" "Cleverly disguised as a 'Responsible Adult' "Sometimes your Knight in shining armor is just a retard in tinfoil"

02-11-2007, 06:21 PM	#23
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02-11-2007, 07:42 PM	#25
Shane Account Suspended Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: over yonder Posts: 14,270	Re: Short Wide Box I have lived in the South all my life and have NEVER heard a fleet referred to as a short wide bed. SWB and LWB has always been used to refer to wheel base, regardless of the bed.

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