Finally figgered out what rubs when I turn right! - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

TIMSPEED · 09-05-2004, 04:56 PM

All this time I thought it was the tire rubbing the fenderwell...NOPE! I guess the shop that balanced my wheels, put the weights on the INNER lip of the rims, and the bottom of the A-arm has basically scraped HALF of the weight off!! So, as soon as I get the new drop springs put on, I'm going to not only have it realigned, but also have the fronts rebalanced.

Low83 · 09-05-2004, 05:08 PM

Whats the BS on your rims?, Left turns???

RockHQ · 09-05-2004, 06:45 PM

Yeah well in order to get a good tire balance you need weights on both the outer and inner sides of the wheels. If the LCAs are close enough to hit the wheel weights you have some clearance issues that probably aren't going to be solved by relocating the weights.

81shavedtrk · 09-05-2004, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHQ

Yeah well in order to get a good tire balance you need weights on both the outer and inner sides of the wheels. If the LCAs are close enough to hit the wheel weights you have some clearance issues that probably aren't going to be solved by relocating the weights.

Not necessarily true. Dynamic balancing is better (weights on both sides) but static can balance out all the hop. THey both stop vibration just preference really.

**swervin ervin** · 09-05-2004, 07:10 PM

Tim's problem stems from the 3" spindles.

SanitysBane · 09-05-2004, 07:18 PM

balacing tires isn't that big of a deal in the first place, you have a sidewall that will flex if the tire is out of round, and what happens when you drive down the road? your taking rubber off, same if you have to do an emergy stop or do a burn out, less rubber so the tires are then out of balance, if you want to see something freaky, jack up the rear of your truck, put it on jack stands, and drive the truck with the rearend on the jack stands (tires off the ground) at about 30 or so, look at how much the rears move. still think that you need your tires balanced?

ocbaud · 09-05-2004, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SanitysBane

balacing tires isn't that big of a deal in the first place, you have a sidewall that will flex if the tire is out of round, and what happens when you drive down the road? your taking rubber off, same if you have to do an emergy stop or do a burn out, less rubber so the tires are then out of balance, if you want to see something freaky, jack up the rear of your truck, put it on jack stands, and drive the truck with the rearend on the jack stands (tires off the ground) at about 30 or so, look at how much the rears move. still think that you need your tires balanced?

my tires on the geo arent balanced. at anything about 60mph the steering wheel will shake my arm a lot. where as the tires on my truck are balanced and even at 100mph+ the wheel or truck doesnt shake.

**N2TRUX** · 09-05-2004, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SanitysBane

...... if you want to see something freaky, jack up the rear of your truck, put it on jack stands, and drive the truck with the rearend on the jack stands (tires off the ground) at about 30 or so......

Please don't recommend things like this to Tim. He has enough wrong with his truck as it is. We don't need him launching it off the jack stands at 30....

RockHQ · 09-05-2004, 08:29 PM

Well i've done a fair share of tire balancing myself (with expensive computer controlled dynamic tire balancers i might add), and i know what i can get away with and what i can't as far as balance goes. That's not what i was saying in the first place though. I simply stated that in order to get a good balance, you need to have the weights as far apart as possible. Everyone cool with that? Good. Swerve probably hit the nail on the head regarding Tim's problem, which is what this thread was about in the first place?

Btw. Sanitysbane, for comparison's sake have you ever lifted up a new (=low mileage) FWD car and got the front wheels up to that 30mph you mentioned? There's minimal (if any) wheel hop because the wheel hub rides in a zero-backlash bearing supported by the outer driveshaft. Compare that to a C-clip design rear axle where you have the wheel bolted to a flange held in by a few feet of driveshaft suspended by a loose circular clip and riding on a loose wheel bearing. Get my point?

81shavedtrk · 09-05-2004, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHQ

I simply stated that in order to get a good balance, you need to have the weights as far apart as possible. Everyone cool with that? Good. Swerve probably hit the nail on the head regarding Tim's problem, which is what this thread was about in the first place?

I have worked at a tire shop for a few years and now I work at a Ford Dealership so I know all about balancing tires too. Lost me on the weights as far apart as possible. If you mean on the same side of you tire you are way wrong. Tires do need to be balanced otherwise at 50+ you will have one hell of a vibration that will just keep getting worst. maybe the guy who said that(don't remember who) doesn't get on the highway much or over 40 mph.

TIMSPEED · 09-06-2004, 05:11 AM

I'll take pictures of it 2moro. It's only when I have someone riding shotty in the passenger side, does it push the LCA down enough to scrape the rim's lip.
I think the problem IS the 3" Spindles, BUT with 17's it's SUPPOSED to clear just fine. I'm getting 2" Drop Springs put on this coming weekend, so the LCA's shouldn't be a problem anymore.
The rims are 17x9½ with a 5½" BS.
Ohh, another thing strange is..on the BACK wheels, the weights are on the inside of the rim, by opposite (spoke side) edge. I think I was SUPPOSED to put THOSE two wheels on the front, LOL. Ohh Well, live and learn I guess.

**lolife99** · 09-05-2004, 08:14 PM

Wheel weights hitting with 17's? NO WAY. I cry BS. Sorry,... just couldn't take it. My 17" Eagle 212's are no where close to hitting tha a-arm. Show me a pic. (P.S. upping your post count,... again?)

79Silv4x4 · 09-05-2004, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lolife99

Wheel weights hitting with 17's? NO WAY. I cry BS. Sorry,... just couldn't take it. My 17" Eagle 212's are no where close to hitting tha a-arm. Show me a pic. (P.S. upping your post count,... again?)

DITTO on both. . .

phantom dually · 09-06-2004, 09:01 PM

I had a set of 92 corvette wheels on my truck for a while with a 2" spacer. They rubbed the lower arms on both sides also. I took a grinder to them and shaped them a little and welded in a plate from the bottom. Had no problems after that. I also had 3" spindles.

SanitysBane · 09-07-2004, 10:52 PM

i take back what i said, i hardly ever balance my wheels and if i do its usally only if the tire needs more than 3 oz. out of balance, and running on jack stands on 30? i've gone up to 60 before making shure my transmission worked right, dangourus i know, but needed to be done, also i don't have C-clips, ford 9 took away that problem but i do see were you are coming from never thought about that but the point was with the tire wabling that much, balancing isn't going to do a whole lot, and that was the rear's and you usally don't feel much from them

09-05-2004, 04:56 PM	#1
TIMSPEED Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,321	Finally figgered out what rubs when I turn right! All this time I thought it was the tire rubbing the fenderwell...NOPE! I guess the shop that balanced my wheels, put the weights on the INNER lip of the rims, and the bottom of the A-arm has basically scraped HALF of the weight off!! So, as soon as I get the new drop springs put on, I'm going to not only have it realigned, but also have the fronts rebalanced. __________________ I have a few cars... See Them Here

09-05-2004, 06:45 PM	#3
RockHQ ROCKET POWER! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Finland, Europe Posts: 509	Yeah well in order to get a good tire balance you need weights on both the outer and inner sides of the wheels. If the LCAs are close enough to hit the wheel weights you have some clearance issues that probably aren't going to be solved by relocating the weights. __________________ What did i do last nite? I had a wonderful time, That's what they tell me What did i do last nite? 1979 C-10 shortfleet: Olds 350, Th400, 12 bolt Current project: 1969 Olds 455 W-30, needing a rebuild

09-05-2004, 07:10 PM	#5
swervin ervin You get what you pay for Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Cherryville, NC Posts: 4,798	Tim's problem stems from the 3" spindles. __________________ Mike 1985 Chevy C-10

09-05-2004, 07:18 PM	#6
SanitysBane Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lubbock, Texas Posts: 2,121	balacing tires isn't that big of a deal in the first place, you have a sidewall that will flex if the tire is out of round, and what happens when you drive down the road? your taking rubber off, same if you have to do an emergy stop or do a burn out, less rubber so the tires are then out of balance, if you want to see something freaky, jack up the rear of your truck, put it on jack stands, and drive the truck with the rearend on the jack stands (tires off the ground) at about 30 or so, look at how much the rears move. still think that you need your tires balanced? __________________ '96 Nissan Pathfinder '02 Firebird Trans Am. '88 K5 Blazer

09-05-2004, 08:29 PM	#9
RockHQ ROCKET POWER! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Finland, Europe Posts: 509	Well i've done a fair share of tire balancing myself (with expensive computer controlled dynamic tire balancers i might add), and i know what i can get away with and what i can't as far as balance goes. That's not what i was saying in the first place though. I simply stated that in order to get a good balance, you need to have the weights as far apart as possible. Everyone cool with that? Good. Swerve probably hit the nail on the head regarding Tim's problem, which is what this thread was about in the first place? Btw. Sanitysbane, for comparison's sake have you ever lifted up a new (=low mileage) FWD car and got the front wheels up to that 30mph you mentioned? There's minimal (if any) wheel hop because the wheel hub rides in a zero-backlash bearing supported by the outer driveshaft. Compare that to a C-clip design rear axle where you have the wheel bolted to a flange held in by a few feet of driveshaft suspended by a loose circular clip and riding on a loose wheel bearing. Get my point? __________________ What did i do last nite? I had a wonderful time, That's what they tell me What did i do last nite? 1979 C-10 shortfleet: Olds 350, Th400, 12 bolt Current project: 1969 Olds 455 W-30, needing a rebuild

09-05-2004, 05:08 PM	#2
Low83 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Porterville,Ca. Posts: 118	Whats the BS on your rims?, Left turns???

09-06-2004, 05:11 AM	#11
TIMSPEED Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,321	I'll take pictures of it 2moro. It's only when I have someone riding shotty in the passenger side, does it push the LCA down enough to scrape the rim's lip. I think the problem IS the 3" Spindles, BUT with 17's it's SUPPOSED to clear just fine. I'm getting 2" Drop Springs put on this coming weekend, so the LCA's shouldn't be a problem anymore. The rims are 17x9½ with a 5½" BS. Ohh, another thing strange is..on the BACK wheels, the weights are on the inside of the rim, by opposite (spoke side) edge. I think I was SUPPOSED to put THOSE two wheels on the front, LOL. Ohh Well, live and learn I guess. __________________ I have a few cars... See Them Here Last edited by TIMSPEED; 09-06-2004 at 05:14 AM.

09-05-2004, 08:14 PM	#12
lolife99 67-72 parts collector,… Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mid-MO Posts: 22,701	Wheel weights hitting with 17's? NO WAY. I cry BS. Sorry,... just couldn't take it. My 17" Eagle 212's are no where close to hitting tha a-arm. Show me a pic. (P.S. upping your post count,... again?)

09-06-2004, 09:01 PM	#14
phantom dually Project92 SWB stepside Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 4,792	I had a set of 92 corvette wheels on my truck for a while with a 2" spacer. They rubbed the lower arms on both sides also. I took a grinder to them and shaped them a little and welded in a plate from the bottom. Had no problems after that. I also had 3" spindles. __________________ 92 C1500 stepside 496 Stroker Competiton Engineering Ladder bars/QA1 coilovers. Dana 60 rear with 4.10 gear and posi. Bonspeed Palisade 20x12 in rear w/335/30/20 and 20x8.5 front w/245/40/20. 5/8 drop with Belltech springs/DJM spindles/drop shocks. WWS Progress thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=140448

09-07-2004, 10:52 PM	#15
SanitysBane Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lubbock, Texas Posts: 2,121	i take back what i said, i hardly ever balance my wheels and if i do its usally only if the tire needs more than 3 oz. out of balance, and running on jack stands on 30? i've gone up to 60 before making shure my transmission worked right, dangourus i know, but needed to be done, also i don't have C-clips, ford 9 took away that problem but i do see were you are coming from never thought about that but the point was with the tire wabling that much, balancing isn't going to do a whole lot, and that was the rear's and you usally don't feel much from them __________________ '96 Nissan Pathfinder '02 Firebird Trans Am. '88 K5 Blazer



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