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ckhd · 05-30-2002, 10:17 AM

I was wondering about this thread:

http://64.246.42.114/vboard/showthre...&threadid=3513

And I started wondering, what happened to the original tooling that made the quarter panels in the first place? Was it destroyed? Missing? What? Do we know?

What about 'other' tooling, like the stuff used to make those funky black '68 hubcaps, etc...?

71Chev · 05-30-2002, 10:20 AM

Paul is still looking for quarters.

ckhd · 05-30-2002, 01:50 PM

Does ANYONE know the answer to this? Doesn't have to be Paul, I'm just curious about the original tooling.

ckhd · 05-30-2002, 08:29 PM

ttt

**GMCPaul** · 05-31-2002, 06:12 AM

In most instances GM's original tooling is worn out and either needs repaired or replaced, and even though GM's tooling needs repaired or replaced GM still wants outrageous premium prices for the tooling and in most instances it is leased and besides high lease price they want 10-20% of all sales made with the tooling, and even when they do sell it outright they still want 10%-20% of all sales of the product made with there original tooling. So you pay a fortune to GM on getting to use their tooling, spend another fortune getting tooling repaired or worse replaced if to far gone to repair, then they have there hand out for 10-20% of sales from every piece produced.
Costs far less just to make new tooling from pristine or NOS pieces and leave GM out of the picture. Then when product is manufactured it is able to sell at far more reasonable rates due to not having a extra 10-20% added to price to pay to GM.
So essentially its like this GM says give us $250,000.00-$750,000.00 for our tooling, then spend possibly the same repairing it, or just start from scratch and have maybe $250,000.00 in making new tooling.
Also to begin with our manufacturer will only make portions of the rear quarter panels to be used as patch panels not the entire rear quarter panel so the tooling for the entire piece will not be needed.
GMCPaul

weasel29gm · 05-31-2002, 12:16 PM

I agree with Paul, the expense would be alot. Hopefully my plant manager might locate some old dies if they wasn't all scraped out years ago.

ckhd · 05-31-2002, 10:18 PM

Wow! The cheap _______ !!!

05-30-2002, 10:17 AM	#1
ckhd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: St. Johns, Arizona Posts: 2,660	GMC Paul <<<<<<<<--------------------- I was wondering about this thread: http://64.246.42.114/vboard/showthre...&threadid=3513 And I started wondering, what happened to the original tooling that made the quarter panels in the first place? Was it destroyed? Missing? What? Do we know? What about 'other' tooling, like the stuff used to make those funky black '68 hubcaps, etc...? __________________ my 2¢ - t.i.o.l.i. Bowen 1968 K20 fleet 1969 K10 swb fleet 1972 K10 Suburban 1972 C10 lwb step 1992 K1500 'burb 1995 K2500 'burb 1997 C1500 'burb 1999 K1500 2000 K1500 'burb Why do I own so many Suburbans?

05-30-2002, 10:20 AM	#2
71Chev Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,074	Paul is still looking for quarters. __________________ 71 Chevy CST Long Fleet 350/350/3.07 leaf rear.

05-30-2002, 01:50 PM	#3
ckhd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: St. Johns, Arizona Posts: 2,660	Does ANYONE know the answer to this? Doesn't have to be Paul, I'm just curious about the original tooling. __________________ my 2¢ - t.i.o.l.i. Bowen 1968 K20 fleet 1969 K10 swb fleet 1972 K10 Suburban 1972 C10 lwb step 1992 K1500 'burb 1995 K2500 'burb 1997 C1500 'burb 1999 K1500 2000 K1500 'burb Why do I own so many Suburbans?

05-30-2002, 08:29 PM	#4
ckhd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: St. Johns, Arizona Posts: 2,660	ttt __________________ my 2¢ - t.i.o.l.i. Bowen 1968 K20 fleet 1969 K10 swb fleet 1972 K10 Suburban 1972 C10 lwb step 1992 K1500 'burb 1995 K2500 'burb 1997 C1500 'burb 1999 K1500 2000 K1500 'burb Why do I own so many Suburbans?

05-31-2002, 06:12 AM	#5
GMCPaul Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Rockville,In. USA Posts: 3,721	In most instances GM's original tooling is worn out and either needs repaired or replaced, and even though GM's tooling needs repaired or replaced GM still wants outrageous premium prices for the tooling and in most instances it is leased and besides high lease price they want 10-20% of all sales made with the tooling, and even when they do sell it outright they still want 10%-20% of all sales of the product made with there original tooling. So you pay a fortune to GM on getting to use their tooling, spend another fortune getting tooling repaired or worse replaced if to far gone to repair, then they have there hand out for 10-20% of sales from every piece produced. Costs far less just to make new tooling from pristine or NOS pieces and leave GM out of the picture. Then when product is manufactured it is able to sell at far more reasonable rates due to not having a extra 10-20% added to price to pay to GM. So essentially its like this GM says give us $250,000.00-$750,000.00 for our tooling, then spend possibly the same repairing it, or just start from scratch and have maybe $250,000.00 in making new tooling. Also to begin with our manufacturer will only make portions of the rear quarter panels to be used as patch panels not the entire rear quarter panel so the tooling for the entire piece will not be needed. GMCPaul __________________ Secure Online Catalog for-GMCPauls Truck Parts Email- GMCPAULS@GMAIL.COM

05-31-2002, 12:16 PM	#6
weasel29gm SLOW BUT SURE,BUT CLOSER Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: eleanor wv usa Posts: 3,096	I agree with Paul, the expense would be alot. Hopefully my plant manager might locate some old dies if they wasn't all scraped out years ago. __________________ 69 C-10, OWNED 38YRS... 350 over 30, 350 Turbo, 3:73 Posi P/S, P/B Black with red and black int. ''LOVE THESE OLD ''TRUCKS.......

05-31-2002, 10:18 PM	#7
ckhd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: St. Johns, Arizona Posts: 2,660	Wow! The cheap _______ !!! __________________ my 2¢ - t.i.o.l.i. Bowen 1968 K20 fleet 1969 K10 swb fleet 1972 K10 Suburban 1972 C10 lwb step 1992 K1500 'burb 1995 K2500 'burb 1997 C1500 'burb 1999 K1500 2000 K1500 'burb Why do I own so many Suburbans?



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