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ac102nv · 05-12-2005, 03:00 PM

I know this has been discussed before, but... I'm thinking of swaping in a Vortec 350 from a 96-99 truck complete with auto trans, comp, wiring, and...into my '72.

Are there any major hurdles I need to be aware before I start down the path? I did the I6 to BB swap a few years back, so the "normal" issues with the swap are no problem, just looking for the big ones. And if anyone has pics from this swap, I'd love to see them.

Thanks,

HeavyD · 05-12-2005, 07:14 PM

Vortecs don't use a mechanical fuel pump so an electric one will have to be installed.

shifty · 05-13-2005, 02:31 PM

This was covered in last month's issue of Classic Truck Magazine. I ahve a copy and scanned it off for other board members. Because there are so many electronics on the new Vortec engines, you'll need to have someone reprogram all of the equipment. Trying to find someone to do this sounds like a chore.

That's a big decision you've chosen to make!

ac102nv · 05-13-2005, 02:50 PM

Shifty,
I PM'd you for a copy of that article...please.

I know this won't be "easy" but the idea of a daily driver that starts when cold/hot/whatever every time, get's double digit GM, has OD for highway use, etc is too tempting. Besides I have a line on a '69 camaro that could really use my BB

.

Thank you,

FirstGen · 05-13-2005, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ac102nv

Shifty,
I PM'd you for a copy of that article...please.

I know this won't be "easy" but the idea of a daily driver that starts when cold/hot/whatever every time, get's double digit GM, has OD for highway use, etc is too tempting. Besides I have a line on a '69 camaro that could really use my BB

.

Thank you,

You might consider one of the newer vortec motors like the '99+. They are LS1 based motors and perform much more effeciently and are simple to reprogram. Do a search for LS1/T56 for more info.

shifty · 05-13-2005, 03:44 PM

Actually, I think ... I think the article I have is from the 99+. Sorry for the misinfo, I'll give you guys the article anyways.

ac102nv · 05-13-2005, 04:05 PM

FirstGen, would it possible to get a few pics of your setup? I could be persuaded if it's not too tuff.

Thanks,

FirstGen · 05-13-2005, 05:40 PM

sure

**Hart_Rod** · 05-13-2005, 06:06 PM

FirstGen,

I have a 69 Burb that I'm putting a 05 5.3/ 4L60E tranny in and would appreciate any information/pictures. What harness did you use? Who remapped your computer? Were there any clearance issues? What radiator did you use? Do you have the hose part numbers? Wha engine/transmission mounts did you use? What gas tank? Did you use and in tank or inline fuel pump? Are you using factory gauges, if so were there any connection problems? Did you use one piece or two piece drive shaft?

AC102NV,

I picked up an 2005 5.3/4L60E with 10 miles on it. I came with all acessories, mass air flow, 02 sensors, fuel pump module and electric gas pedal for $3350 delivered!

I got the motor from Schram Auto parts:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT

Ask for Jeremy. Tell him Rob Hartley said to call.

FirstGen · 05-14-2005, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hart_Rob

FirstGen,

I have a 69 Burb that I'm putting a 05 5.3/ 4L60E tranny in and would appreciate any information/pictures. What harness did you use? Who remapped your computer? Were there any clearance issues? What radiator did you use? Do you have the hose part numbers? Wha engine/transmission mounts did you use? What gas tank? Did you use and in tank or inline fuel pump? Are you using factory gauges, if so were there any connection problems? Did you use one piece or two piece drive shaft?

AC102NV,

I picked up an 2005 5.3/4L60E with 10 miles on it. I came with all acessories, mass air flow, 02 sensors, fuel pump module and electric gas pedal for $3350 delivered!

I got the motor from Schram Auto parts:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT

Ask for Jeremy. Tell him Rob Hartley said to call.

Rob,
Sounds like you are off to a great start. Please do a search for LS1 and look for any threads I've posted on. I've covered these issues many times. The starter thread was one titled "LS1/T56".
But here is a quick run down, just note that there are many options I choose this route to best suit my needs.

EDIT: just noticed that it looks like the search is shut down. Maybe someone has it bookmarked...

What harness did you use? built a new one from scratch.
Who remapped your computer? I did using HP Tuners and LS1Edit and I built the harness around a F-body PCM so that I could do this.
Were there any clearance issues? Yes, depending on the exhaust you use and the oil pan. The truck oil pan is the best. I used modified vette manifolds origionally see the mentioned thread above for pictures.
What radiator did you use? a new '68 C10 radiator
Do you have the hose part numbers? 2000 silverado upper/lower rad hoses see dealer or ebay.
Wha engine/transmission mounts did you use? I made my own engine mounts similar to the ones S&P sells for the motor and made a custom tubular crossmember and teflon mount for the T56.
What gas tank? Summit 16gal with foam and GM 0-90ohm fuel sensor
Did you use and in tank or inline fuel pump? inline Aeromotive A1000 fuel pump and aeromotive regulator (950 hp capable)
Are you using factory gauges... Autometer guages. You will not be able to use a stock speedo since it is mechanical and you will have an electrical VSS output. You can buy a converter that will cost you the price of an autometer tach and electric speedo if you really want to.
Did you use one piece or two piece drive shaft? one piece, first one was aluminum and supposedly bulletproof. well it didn't last long with slicks, now I went to steel would have been much cheaper to do this first off.

Good luck!

67ChevyC10Stepside · 05-13-2005, 07:06 PM

firstgen....how many miles does your motor have on it?

ac102nv · 05-13-2005, 07:58 PM

Hart_Rob....now you're trying to make me feel bad. That looks like a screaming deal on the engine!! With 10 miles it must have fallen off the transport

Keep us posted as to the progress. I want to do this, but I'm not 100% commited...yet.

FirstGen...looks great! I would also be interested in the answers to the questions above, most importantly mounting/headers/guages.

Thanks all for the info.

FirstGen · 05-14-2005, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67ChevyC10Stepside

firstgen....how many miles does your motor have on it?

I bought it from a salvaged vehicle with 2700 miles.

**Hart_Rod** · 05-14-2005, 09:21 AM

FirstGen,

Thanks for info, I'm sure I'll have more questions as I progress.

Rob

1978steven · 05-13-2005, 09:20 PM

There is a lot of good info here:
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/index.php?

In fact here is a small post I found about LS1's in 67-72 trucks:
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=314955

**Hart_Rod** · 05-13-2005, 10:30 PM

AC102NV,

You must have ESP! It was damaged during transit. I plan on taking a lot of pics as I go. I'm baggin it also.

Rob

FirstGen · 05-14-2005, 11:16 AM

No problem, it is really a pretty direct swap. Everything seems to add up quick though $$$.
Let us know how it turns out!
Take care.

joelboxt · 05-14-2005, 11:45 PM

that auction stated that it had less than 100 miles in it. i think hart rob must have missed a 0 in that post.

joel

**Hart_Rod** · 05-15-2005, 08:07 AM

JB,

I didn't get the engine off of Ebay, I was just watching the action. After it was over I called them and bought one. The vehicle it was in was damaged by the transporter. Can't wait to get started, I'm baggin next weekend. Hopefully the motor within a couple of months.

Rob

joelboxt · 05-15-2005, 01:18 PM

Hart rob,

alright i understand sorry about that.. thought that was the auction you won.
i think that would be a decent swap. if i had unlimited funds id be doing something like that also.. i know in canada if a GM vehicle gets damaged during transport they are given to the collage's for the students to learn on. must be different in the US.

joel

**Hart_Rod** · 05-16-2005, 07:30 PM

Pics of the suburban engine and tranny came out of.

Rob

67ChevyC10Stepside · 05-16-2005, 08:20 PM

what happened to it? they dented the door in so they scrapped the entire 40000 dollar vehicle?

**Hart_Rod** · 05-16-2005, 08:38 PM

I guess the transporter messed it up. I agree, crazy to scrap a new vehicle (although I'm not complaining). I'm sure GM will write it off or raise the price of the 06's!

Rob

shifty · 05-16-2005, 09:23 PM

I haven't forgotten about the scans, y'all.

And I wish I could score a new engine-tranny combo like that around here in GA. I mean, I wouldn't want the same one, but I'd love to find a place with scores like that.

Tim240Z · 05-16-2005, 10:42 PM

I have just completed the conversion of a 99 suburban L31/4L60E (Vortec) into my 71 C20.
Not a big deal. If you search through some of my posts (not too many) you can find some info. If you need specifics, let me know.

Tim

05-12-2005, 03:00 PM	#1
ac102nv Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Northern Nevada Posts: 156	late model engine swap.... I know this has been discussed before, but... I'm thinking of swaping in a Vortec 350 from a 96-99 truck complete with auto trans, comp, wiring, and...into my '72. Are there any major hurdles I need to be aware before I start down the path? I did the I6 to BB swap a few years back, so the "normal" issues with the swap are no problem, just looking for the big ones. And if anyone has pics from this swap, I'd love to see them. Thanks, __________________ '72 C10 lwb 454/TH400

05-12-2005, 07:14 PM	#2
HeavyD Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Wakaw, Sask, Canada Posts: 3,179	Vortecs don't use a mechanical fuel pump so an electric one will have to be installed. __________________ "You can take the man out of PA, but you can't take PA out of the man"

05-13-2005, 02:31 PM	#3
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,376	This was covered in last month's issue of Classic Truck Magazine. I ahve a copy and scanned it off for other board members. Because there are so many electronics on the new Vortec engines, you'll need to have someone reprogram all of the equipment. Trying to find someone to do this sounds like a chore. That's a big decision you've chosen to make! __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM.

05-13-2005, 02:50 PM	#4
ac102nv Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Northern Nevada Posts: 156	Shifty, I PM'd you for a copy of that article...please. I know this won't be "easy" but the idea of a daily driver that starts when cold/hot/whatever every time, get's double digit GM, has OD for highway use, etc is too tempting. Besides I have a line on a '69 camaro that could really use my BB . Thank you, __________________ '72 C10 lwb 454/TH400

05-13-2005, 03:44 PM	#6
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,376	Actually, I think ... I think the article I have is from the 99+. Sorry for the misinfo, I'll give you guys the article anyways. __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM.

05-13-2005, 04:05 PM	#7
ac102nv Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Northern Nevada Posts: 156	FirstGen, would it possible to get a few pics of your setup? I could be persuaded if it's not too tuff. Thanks, __________________ '72 C10 lwb 454/TH400

05-13-2005, 05:40 PM	#8
FirstGen Just Don't Stop! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,239	sure Attached Images __________________ 1968 C10 build in process TT LSA/6L90e/9"

05-13-2005, 06:06 PM	#9
Hart_Rod ************* Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 17,842	Late model engine/tranny FirstGen, I have a 69 Burb that I'm putting a 05 5.3/ 4L60E tranny in and would appreciate any information/pictures. What harness did you use? Who remapped your computer? Were there any clearance issues? What radiator did you use? Do you have the hose part numbers? Wha engine/transmission mounts did you use? What gas tank? Did you use and in tank or inline fuel pump? Are you using factory gauges, if so were there any connection problems? Did you use one piece or two piece drive shaft? AC102NV, I picked up an 2005 5.3/4L60E with 10 miles on it. I came with all acessories, mass air flow, 02 sensors, fuel pump module and electric gas pedal for $3350 delivered! I got the motor from Schram Auto parts: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT Ask for Jeremy. Tell him Rob Hartley said to call. __________________ Rob - https://www.instagram.com/hart_rod_c10 As Iron Sharpens Iron, So One Man Sharpens Another. Proverbs 27:17 FOR SALE: DBW pedal bracket - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=651123 FOR SALE: Hood Brackets http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=679945 1987 Silverado SWB - 34.5K original miles http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=801834 1969 SuperBurb - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=200387 1968 Farm truck - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=358692 1968 SWB - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=551258 1948 Chevy - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=122164&page=3 Last edited by Hart_Rod; 12-12-2005 at 12:46 PM.

05-13-2005, 07:06 PM	#11
67ChevyC10Stepside Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Butler PA Posts: 3,034	firstgen....how many miles does your motor have on it? __________________ 67 c-10, 400 SB, TH350, 4.10 gears, Blazer tank,camaro tach, sidemarker fuel fill (soon) WTB: stepside parts, 67 front end parts, 67 small window cab. posi for 3.73 or 4.10 for 12 bolt and 10 bolt.

05-13-2005, 07:58 PM	#12
ac102nv Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Northern Nevada Posts: 156	Hart_Rob....now you're trying to make me feel bad. That looks like a screaming deal on the engine!! With 10 miles it must have fallen off the transport Keep us posted as to the progress. I want to do this, but I'm not 100% commited...yet. FirstGen...looks great! I would also be interested in the answers to the questions above, most importantly mounting/headers/guages. Thanks all for the info. __________________ '72 C10 lwb 454/TH400 Last edited by ac102nv; 05-13-2005 at 08:01 PM.

05-14-2005, 09:21 AM	#14
Hart_Rod ************* Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 17,842	Swap FirstGen, Thanks for info, I'm sure I'll have more questions as I progress. Rob __________________ Rob - https://www.instagram.com/hart_rod_c10 As Iron Sharpens Iron, So One Man Sharpens Another. Proverbs 27:17 FOR SALE: DBW pedal bracket - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=651123 FOR SALE: Hood Brackets http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=679945 1987 Silverado SWB - 34.5K original miles http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=801834 1969 SuperBurb - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=200387 1968 Farm truck - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=358692 1968 SWB - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=551258 1948 Chevy - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=122164&page=3

05-13-2005, 09:20 PM	#15
1978steven Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Currently New Windsor, NY but Texas is home Posts: 332	There is a lot of good info here: http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/index.php? In fact here is a small post I found about LS1's in 67-72 trucks: http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=314955 __________________ 2002 Silverado 2500HD LB7 CCSB LT EFI Live by Rob at ATP, Edge CTS Insight DSP 5 control, S&B CAI, PPE boost valve, Pro Fab AIH, AirDog II 165, PPE WIF sensor delete plug, 5" stainless exhaust, Cognito braces & HD tie rods, H2's 315/70 R17 BFG's 2004 Tahoe LT 2006 Silverado Z71 LS 1971 Chevy C10

05-13-2005, 10:30 PM	#16
Hart_Rod ************* Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 17,842	Engine AC102NV, You must have ESP! It was damaged during transit. I plan on taking a lot of pics as I go. I'm baggin it also. Rob __________________ Rob - https://www.instagram.com/hart_rod_c10 As Iron Sharpens Iron, So One Man Sharpens Another. Proverbs 27:17 FOR SALE: DBW pedal bracket - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=651123 FOR SALE: Hood Brackets http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=679945 1987 Silverado SWB - 34.5K original miles http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=801834 1969 SuperBurb - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=200387 1968 Farm truck - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=358692 1968 SWB - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=551258 1948 Chevy - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=122164&page=3

05-14-2005, 11:16 AM	#17
FirstGen Just Don't Stop! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,239	No problem, it is really a pretty direct swap. Everything seems to add up quick though $$$. Let us know how it turns out! Take care. __________________ 1968 C10 build in process TT LSA/6L90e/9"

05-14-2005, 11:45 PM	#18
joelboxt 71 Cheyenne SWB Fleetside Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sarnia, Ontario, Canada Posts: 403	that auction stated that it had less than 100 miles in it. i think hart rob must have missed a 0 in that post. joel __________________



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05-15-2005, 08:07 AM	#19
Hart_Rod ************* Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 17,842	Engine JB, I didn't get the engine off of Ebay, I was just watching the action. After it was over I called them and bought one. The vehicle it was in was damaged by the transporter. Can't wait to get started, I'm baggin next weekend. Hopefully the motor within a couple of months. Rob __________________ Rob - https://www.instagram.com/hart_rod_c10 As Iron Sharpens Iron, So One Man Sharpens Another. Proverbs 27:17 FOR SALE: DBW pedal bracket - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=651123 FOR SALE: Hood Brackets http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=679945 1987 Silverado SWB - 34.5K original miles http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=801834 1969 SuperBurb - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=200387 1968 Farm truck - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=358692 1968 SWB - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=551258 1948 Chevy - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=122164&page=3

05-15-2005, 01:18 PM	#20
joelboxt 71 Cheyenne SWB Fleetside Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sarnia, Ontario, Canada Posts: 403	Hart rob, alright i understand sorry about that.. thought that was the auction you won. i think that would be a decent swap. if i had unlimited funds id be doing something like that also.. i know in canada if a GM vehicle gets damaged during transport they are given to the collage's for the students to learn on. must be different in the US. joel __________________

05-16-2005, 07:30 PM	#21
Hart_Rod ************* Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 17,842	5.3l/4l60e Pics of the suburban engine and tranny came out of. Rob __________________ Rob - https://www.instagram.com/hart_rod_c10 As Iron Sharpens Iron, So One Man Sharpens Another. Proverbs 27:17 FOR SALE: DBW pedal bracket - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=651123 FOR SALE: Hood Brackets http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=679945 1987 Silverado SWB - 34.5K original miles http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=801834 1969 SuperBurb - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=200387 1968 Farm truck - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=358692 1968 SWB - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=551258 1948 Chevy - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=122164&page=3 Last edited by Hart_Rod; 12-12-2005 at 12:46 PM.

05-16-2005, 08:20 PM	#22
67ChevyC10Stepside Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Butler PA Posts: 3,034	what happened to it? they dented the door in so they scrapped the entire 40000 dollar vehicle? __________________ 67 c-10, 400 SB, TH350, 4.10 gears, Blazer tank,camaro tach, sidemarker fuel fill (soon) WTB: stepside parts, 67 front end parts, 67 small window cab. posi for 3.73 or 4.10 for 12 bolt and 10 bolt.

05-16-2005, 08:38 PM	#23
Hart_Rod ************* Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 17,842	I guess the transporter messed it up. I agree, crazy to scrap a new vehicle (although I'm not complaining). I'm sure GM will write it off or raise the price of the 06's! Rob __________________ Rob - https://www.instagram.com/hart_rod_c10 As Iron Sharpens Iron, So One Man Sharpens Another. Proverbs 27:17 FOR SALE: DBW pedal bracket - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=651123 FOR SALE: Hood Brackets http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=679945 1987 Silverado SWB - 34.5K original miles http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=801834 1969 SuperBurb - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=200387 1968 Farm truck - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=358692 1968 SWB - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=551258 1948 Chevy - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=122164&page=3 Last edited by Hart_Rod; 05-16-2005 at 08:39 PM.

05-16-2005, 09:23 PM	#24
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,376	I haven't forgotten about the scans, y'all. And I wish I could score a new engine-tranny combo like that around here in GA. I mean, I wouldn't want the same one, but I'd love to find a place with scores like that. __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM.

05-16-2005, 10:42 PM	#25
Tim240Z Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: LAX area, So Cal Posts: 499	I have just completed the conversion of a 99 suburban L31/4L60E (Vortec) into my 71 C20. Not a big deal. If you search through some of my posts (not too many) you can find some info. If you need specifics, let me know. Tim __________________ 1972 Suburban C20 454/TH700R4, eaton-corporate 4.10 (looking for 3.7) Sold: 71 Cheyenne 20 Installed a 99 5.7L L31/4L60E from Suburban 1500 (2005)

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