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Alex1 · 11-07-2007, 11:44 AM

Does it exist for these trucks? If so does anyone know who has 'em?

60-66 Nut · 11-07-2007, 12:35 PM

I've seen lots of these trucks with manual steering. Mostly early to mid seventies with the strait six engines. We had several fleet trucks here in that body style with manual steering. I'm sure if you search the junkyards you can still find one somewhere.

60-66 Nut

jokersbowtie · 11-07-2007, 01:24 PM

1984 NO PS, NO PB
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it was ordered without PS and PB w/4 on the floor

Ivan D. · 11-07-2007, 02:10 PM

lol, so you have none of the things that ease yer driving, but you do have the A/C... weird!!!

Edit: how does yer steering feel, compared to a similar but PS-equipped truck? Never driven a manual steering vehicle, how hard is the truck to make turn at low speed? Does it handle better at high speed?

Alex1 · 11-07-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ivan D.

lol, so you have none of the things that ease yer driving, but you do have the A/C... weird!!!

Edit: how does yer steering feel, compared to a similar but PS-equipped truck? Never driven a manual steering vehicle, how hard is the truck to make turn at low speed? Does it handle better at high speed?

I want to know too - as well as the manual brakes!

Ivan D. · 11-08-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex1

I want to know too - as well as the manual brakes!

What wheels/tires you got? Mine stopped alright with the 245/60-15 tires, those are smaller than stock tho. With stock tires it will still stop, only not as fast as you'd want it to. Slap on anything oversized and forget about doing e-stops or freeway brake tests .

jokersbowtie · 11-08-2007, 02:14 PM

15x8's on front with 245/60/15
15x10's 295/50/15
as long as the truck is moving its easy, but it is a workout if not moving!
at high speed it great (one finger on the wheel)
the breaks the harder you push the faster you stop

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Rc 415 · 11-07-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ivan D.

Edit: how does yer steering feel, compared to a similar but PS-equipped truck? Never driven a manual steering vehicle, how hard is the truck to make turn at low speed? Does it handle better at high speed?

If you want to find out just get going a pretty good speed in your truck, put it in neutral, and kill the ignition, the power steering will not work, I've had it happen to me a few times when I ran out of gas...

Ivan D. · 11-08-2007, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rc 415

If you want to find out just get going a pretty good speed in your truck, put it in neutral, and kill the ignition, the power steering will not work, I've had it happen to me a few times when I ran out of gas...

Not quite the same, the gear ratio in the steering boxes is different so a disabled PS system will be tougher to turn the wheel of than a stock-manual system. I can however turn the steering wheel when stopped, even with the 32x10.50 mud slingers I have, so I guess manual steering won't be too bad... What will be real fun will be blocking off the hydroboost port that feeds the steering box - does anyone know if the steering box has the fluid flow through it all the time, or it gets pressure at the inlet but releases fluid out only when turning?

Mr79C10 · 11-07-2007, 06:34 PM

I have manual steering,,,,, And I will soon be getting power steering, Ive got the brackets, pump all I need is a box and hoses and belt ,, for a 250 L6, And Im good to go.

OJOE · 11-07-2007, 07:41 PM

i have a 84 with 4.3, 4brl carb, no p/s a/c p/b

6977chev · 11-07-2007, 09:01 PM

both my 77 and 78 c10's have manual steering and brakes with 250 l6's. 77 is four on the floor and 78 is three on the tree. at first they are awkward to drive if your used to ps and pb. but you soon get used to it and dont even think about it. at least thats how i was.

Mickey_D · 11-07-2007, 09:35 PM

Over half the vehicles I've owned were manual steering, including a SWB Jeep CJ5 with 35" Gumbo Monster Mudders on it. Was a right PITA to parallel park, but other than that it was fine.

Most manual steering boxes have more turns lock to lock, don't they? Which means a lower gear ratio between the steering wheel and the tire angles, right?

**old Rusty C10** · 11-07-2007, 10:05 PM

i have power steering on my trucks now but in years/trucks past i have had several without. manual steering really only helps you when youre paralell parking or in tight places. as long as the car is moving the steering isnt bad it is just a tad harder to turn. as you move the faster you go the steering operation eases... when youre in a parking spot trying to turn the wheel or paralell parking then you build your bicepts quick

Slonaker · 11-07-2007, 10:30 PM

A friend used to have one with a straight six, and manual steering.

I have had a lot of cars with manual steering. The key is simply to remember to make sure you are moving when you turn the wheel. Even creeping makes it much easier to turn the wheel. As the others said, parallel parking is aboutthe only time you can't do that.

Slonaker

bb1979 · 11-08-2007, 03:05 AM

Manual steer, lowered, 9" wide front tires & sports steering wheel = Quick builder of upper body strength.

This was how it used to be, have change to power now. With manual open road driving is fine but parking is hard with fat rubber

Mickey_D · 11-08-2007, 06:27 PM

Is there no way you can take the input from the power steering box and put it direct to the brakes? In other words, bypass the steering? Or are there two outputs from the pump? If so, just take the output and put it directly back into the input.

And yes, the pump is always pumping. It's the steering box that controls the amount of power taken out of it.

Ivan D. · 11-09-2007, 12:32 AM

The output from the pump goes straight to the brakes, and only from there it feeds the steering. There are two return lines - one from the brakes, and one from the steering. My concern would be if I disconnect the steering pressure line and block that port off at the brakes, won't that create some massive backpressure? Cause the brakes return line works only when dumping fluid after brake apply, normally there's little to no flow through it and everything goes to the steering...

D13 · 11-09-2007, 09:40 AM

My 82 3/4 ton 6pop 3 on tree has manwel steering. Hate it. Impossible to turn those 8 plys on concrete sitting still, particularly with a load of sand up towards the front. Fine on the road.

Only thin I've ever had that was worse wa 69 Impala 4 door big block with PS pump blown and L60's on the front.

The one thing I wil do when I redo it is install PS.
If anyone is foolish enough to want to swap thir L6 pump and a PS box for my manual stuff just let me know.

11-07-2007, 11:44 AM	#1
Alex1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ottawa Ontario Canada Posts: 1,156	Manual steering Does it exist for these trucks? If so does anyone know who has 'em?

11-07-2007, 12:35 PM	#2
60-66 Nut Professional Beer Tester Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Louisiana Posts: 453	Re: Manual steering I've seen lots of these trucks with manual steering. Mostly early to mid seventies with the strait six engines. We had several fleet trucks here in that body style with manual steering. I'm sure if you search the junkyards you can still find one somewhere. 60-66 Nut __________________ 60 Ford F100 Custom Cab 61 Apache Short Fleetside 64 C10 Short Stepside 65 C80 409 V8 5spd(X-Firetruck) 83 GMC 350 Olds Diesel 85 GMC Short Bed 86 GMC Short Bed 90 GMC R3500 Crew Cab 92 GMC 1500

11-07-2007, 01:24 PM	#3
jokersbowtie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 74	Re: Manual steering 1984 NO PS, NO PB it was ordered without PS and PB w/4 on the floor

11-07-2007, 02:10 PM	#4
Ivan D. glamoros piece o' lowlife Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Redford, MI Posts: 1,164	Re: Manual steering lol, so you have none of the things that ease yer driving, but you do have the A/C... weird!!! Edit: how does yer steering feel, compared to a similar but PS-equipped truck? Never driven a manual steering vehicle, how hard is the truck to make turn at low speed? Does it handle better at high speed? __________________ The more I drink, the more I drink, the more I drink... diesel, reg cab, long bed, 4 across the rear, single stack, wooden stakes, and lotsa lights - the Hay Express Last edited by Ivan D.; 11-07-2007 at 02:13 PM.

11-08-2007, 02:14 PM	#7
jokersbowtie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 74	Re: Manual steering 15x8's on front with 245/60/15 15x10's 295/50/15 as long as the truck is moving its easy, but it is a workout if not moving! at high speed it great (one finger on the wheel) the breaks the harder you push the faster you stop

11-07-2007, 06:34 PM	#10
Mr79C10 It Is What It Is,,,, Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Gun Shine StateFlorida* Posts: 1,765	Re: Manual steering I have manual steering,,,,, And I will soon be getting power steering, Ive got the brackets, pump all I need is a box and hoses and belt ,, for a 250 L6, And Im good to go. __________________ 79 C10 Short Box ST8 6 bang'r Lowered w/ 3" Control arms, 2" Lower Coils and 4" shackles and hangers W/ FLIP KIT __--__* 79 C-10 project* .........................__ ..............._____ l __\___ ..............\|_(O)_ \|___(O) ] FAQ INDEX Thread The Kulture My Rat Den

11-07-2007, 07:41 PM	#11
OJOE Crew Cut Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: MONTGOMERY,AL Posts: 757	Re: Manual steering i have a 84 with 4.3, 4brl carb, no p/s a/c p/b __________________ 85 SWB 1/2 TON CREWCAB/5.3 03 CHEV 3500 DURAMAX CREW CAB 85 CHEV SWB/TPI 06 CHEV TAHOE (WIFES) 30 MODEL A HOT ROD 07 HARLEY DAVIDSON BAGGER 09 STREET GLIDE AN D A LOT MORE JUNK

11-07-2007, 09:01 PM	#12
6977chev Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oldenburg, Indiana Posts: 199	Re: Manual steering both my 77 and 78 c10's have manual steering and brakes with 250 l6's. 77 is four on the floor and 78 is three on the tree. at first they are awkward to drive if your used to ps and pb. but you soon get used to it and dont even think about it. at least thats how i was.

11-07-2007, 09:35 PM	#13
Mickey_D Dirteh Kitteh Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mormon country Posts: 2,484	Re: Manual steering Over half the vehicles I've owned were manual steering, including a SWB Jeep CJ5 with 35" Gumbo Monster Mudders on it. Was a right PITA to parallel park, but other than that it was fine. Most manual steering boxes have more turns lock to lock, don't they? Which means a lower gear ratio between the steering wheel and the tire angles, right? __________________ Darrin 1955 Willys CJ-5 all original and the oldest CJ-5 on the road. 2001 Dodge Neon (wife's car) 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited Edition SOLD 1981 K15 Custom Deluxe 4X4, rusty but trusty wood hauler. SOLD 1993 S-10 4X4 Tahoe SOLD Sign up with the Contact List RIP ESLL

11-07-2007, 10:05 PM	#14
old Rusty C10 Robert Olson Transport Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: recent transplant to NC USA Posts: 20,310	Re: Manual steering i have power steering on my trucks now but in years/trucks past i have had several without. manual steering really only helps you when youre paralell parking or in tight places. as long as the car is moving the steering isnt bad it is just a tad harder to turn. as you move the faster you go the steering operation eases... when youre in a parking spot trying to turn the wheel or paralell parking then you build your bicepts quick __________________ Bob 1951 International running on a squarebody chassis "If a man's worth is judged by the people he associates himself with, then i am the richest man in the world knowing some of the fine people of this board" http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/a...t.php?f=25&a=9 (you can review the site rules here!) PM Me for your vehicle/parts hauling needs in the North East US or see my Facebook page Robert Olson Transport Live each day to the fullest.. you never know when fate is going to pull the rug out from under you... I hate cancer!!

11-07-2007, 10:30 PM	#15
Slonaker Insert Witty Text Here Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 3,415	Re: Manual steering A friend used to have one with a straight six, and manual steering. I have had a lot of cars with manual steering. The key is simply to remember to make sure you are moving when you turn the wheel. Even creeping makes it much easier to turn the wheel. As the others said, parallel parking is aboutthe only time you can't do that. Slonaker __________________ '86 Chevy C10 (Sold 04/19/13 ) Stock '01 Silverado

11-08-2007, 03:05 AM	#16
bb1979 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 205	Re: Manual steering Manual steer, lowered, 9" wide front tires & sports steering wheel = Quick builder of upper body strength. This was how it used to be, have change to power now. With manual open road driving is fine but parking is hard with fat rubber __________________ 1979 C20 pickup 454 big block turbo 400, 4.56 gears

11-08-2007, 06:27 PM	#17
Mickey_D Dirteh Kitteh Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mormon country Posts: 2,484	Re: Manual steering Is there no way you can take the input from the power steering box and put it direct to the brakes? In other words, bypass the steering? Or are there two outputs from the pump? If so, just take the output and put it directly back into the input. And yes, the pump is always pumping. It's the steering box that controls the amount of power taken out of it. __________________ Darrin 1955 Willys CJ-5 all original and the oldest CJ-5 on the road. 2001 Dodge Neon (wife's car) 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited Edition SOLD 1981 K15 Custom Deluxe 4X4, rusty but trusty wood hauler. SOLD 1993 S-10 4X4 Tahoe SOLD Sign up with the Contact List RIP ESLL

11-09-2007, 12:32 AM	#18
Ivan D. glamoros piece o' lowlife Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Redford, MI Posts: 1,164	Re: Manual steering The output from the pump goes straight to the brakes, and only from there it feeds the steering. There are two return lines - one from the brakes, and one from the steering. My concern would be if I disconnect the steering pressure line and block that port off at the brakes, won't that create some massive backpressure? Cause the brakes return line works only when dumping fluid after brake apply, normally there's little to no flow through it and everything goes to the steering... __________________ The more I drink, the more I drink, the more I drink... diesel, reg cab, long bed, 4 across the rear, single stack, wooden stakes, and lotsa lights - the Hay Express

11-09-2007, 09:40 AM	#19
D13 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Memphis MI Posts: 1,851	Re: Manual steering My 82 3/4 ton 6pop 3 on tree has manwel steering. Hate it. Impossible to turn those 8 plys on concrete sitting still, particularly with a load of sand up towards the front. Fine on the road. Only thin I've ever had that was worse wa 69 Impala 4 door big block with PS pump blown and L60's on the front. The one thing I wil do when I redo it is install PS. If anyone is foolish enough to want to swap thir L6 pump and a PS box for my manual stuff just let me know. Last edited by D13; 11-09-2007 at 09:41 AM.



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