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has anyone brazed bodypanels
I was just wondering if you could braze patch panels and fill holes on body panels. the reason im asking is cause i have no welding experience and its a little more finacially fiesable to get a torch then a welder
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
I have.There was a time (before Mig/Tig) when that was the only way to go.
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
I learned to braze back in high school (too many years ago) with an oxyacetylene setup. Works good but you have to be very careful with the thinner guages so you don't warp them. You have to preheat the metal that you're going to braze so that the rod will flow properly. This in turn may cause warping.
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
Lots of old cars had it done and then they had lots of filler on top of it
![]() You can actually gas weld with an O/A setup. I think that it would be better than brazing, but as mentioned it puts alot of heat into the panels - high change of warpage. If you are really, really, really, really good @ it (read: some of the old time customizers) it is a great way to weld body panels as the weld is soft and workable, unlike MIG.
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
thanks for your input it helps a lot
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
Actually some of the new cars still have some brazing on them believe it or not. I know Toyotas do
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
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Myself, I wouldn't recommend it. I brazed pieces of metal in the dash of my '36 Ford to patch some holes and it cracked where they were put in. The torch set itself may be cheaper but by the time you get the oxygen and acyetelene (sp) bottles you will have as much money in the torch setup as you would in a small mig welder. Just my 2¢ worth LockDoc
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
yea warpage is most likely gonna happen...check ebay you can get 110v mig for a hundred bucks and alot safer this way
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
You can get cheap migwelders nowdays.
Brazing sucks.
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
I got a mig welder at Harbor Freight for $130 It's the simple wire feed (no gas needed.) You just need a certain type of wire (the name is escaping me at the moment.)
It kinda sucks, but it works well enough. This is THE FIRST time I've ever used a mig welder. Please ingnore the fact that the fender looks like someone took a hammer to it, I bought it that way ![]() ![]()
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
Nothing wrong with brazing if you know how. Tom Young here in Houston at American Heliarc builds custom motorcycle fenders that run around $2000 each. He prefers to braze them. True oxy-acet will run you more for equipment, however nothing wrong with brazing. it just takes more talent
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
"Flux-core" Wire welding without gas.
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
Ahhhh, thank you!
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
What vehicle is that filler door from? It looks nice! Is that the front fender?
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
i've brazed body panels...still do. Its just trying to get the puddle to move where you want it to...I still prefer mig welding...
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
heh, i used that on my shelf framing when i didnt have gas for my welder. works pretty decent, better welds with gas tho...
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
I have found the quality of the oxy-acc torch will determine the amount of heat you put into the metal. If you are going to try it I would recommend either a good victor, or smith torch, with a small welding tip. Don't waste your money or time with a made in china torch.
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
Brazing should be concidered a temp repair. Oxidation will occur between the Steel and Brass there is no way to stop it. Might hold together 5 year maybe 10 at the outside. This is why it has fallen into dis-favor with people who restore cars. It is still pretty common in crash and dent repair shops.
Normally what happens is the patch lifts a bit and cracks the putty. Water gets in the crack and then it all bubbles up with rust.
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
I brazed a few back in the day(when puddy was my buddy). In the yrs before the mig welder, hammer welding was a true "art", It took a real pro to do it right
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
Anytime that a true craftsman does a job, its done to last.....man thats sweet! crazyL
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
thanks for all the advise are any of the cheap welder worth the money?
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
I remember hearing somewhere that you don't want to use flux-core wire on body panels because the flux will cause the paint to not adhere properly. Is this true?
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Re: has anyone brazed bodypanels
i don't think thats true. before we got a gas setup for our welder we did some body work on my 67 and have painted over where we welded. of course there is a small layer of bondo between the weld and paint which i would think is normal considering you will most likely want the panel to look and feel smooth
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