air ride parts

[schic4ever]

hey every one new here but i have built a ton of bagged trucks and here is the list of parts i recomend
1. GC valves they are 35$ for 1/2 inch and they are very big i have never busted one and on my s10 i run 300PSI and no probs or BLACK MAX "air kings"
they are about the same as GC but i have busted the guts out of one or two of them
2. OASIS air compressors i have a 3000 on my s10 and it is as good as having engin driven or nitrogen mine fills my 8gal tank 0-200psi in 33seconds and 200-300 in about 15 more seconds... PISS ON VIAIR they are the worst compressor i have ever had IF you dont have the cash to spend on a oasis though AZ is ok i dont like them that much though they are 2 slow or you can convert you ac compressor with some propain fittings and a few reducers but you will need to buy a inline oiler from suicide doors but this will only work with the old style compressors.
3. Slam Specialties or Contitech 3 bell are awsom! i run 300 psi to my slams and have not busted one they are about 2years old now. every firestone bag i have ever had was a pile of junk the tear away from the top plate within a year
4. the best link i own is my suicide doors Universal Wishbone Kit i have this on my c10 and on one of my s10s i have a Roadgrater by AirRideTechnologies
and i am cutting it out and putting in the suicide doors Super Llift Wishbone
my cuz is gonna run the roadgrater on his sdime
5. if you need any parts order them from suicide doors i also use Godfater customs but only for small parts i need quick cuz i live close to them. I HATE FBI there is only one person there that is even cool and will help you if you are doing a custom build also it takes forever to get sh**T from them ughh
6.Quick fittings are great!!! a lot of people hate them but if you do it right you will not have any probs with them just rember the air line has got to be straight in a line with the fitting or it will leak all you need is some pipe straps or zip ties the only time i use DOT line like this is if i am not going over 250psi i have ran 300 on dot line and it has not busted but i dont try to keep it there if you are gonne run that high run copper hard lines, and use the dot to clip into the front bags it is easy to get in the a arm and install that way
7. and NEVER USE A WELDING MACHINE YOU CAN BUY AT WALMART! people come to my shop all day with hacked ass frames they did there self with a welding machine that will only burn the surface of what they are welding nor do they even know the theroy of how to run a beed i am a pipe fitter by trade that is how i got into trucks guys would ask me to weld things in and i would any way allways if you do have a good welding machine<<< miller cough>>> make shure when you weld you are using the right wire or stick i use 70/18 rods and depending on the frame that is how i decide what wire or stick to run if you are welding push the puddel away from the way you are going NEVER DRAG IT on a notch or any thing that needs to be strong if you drag it you should just get out you soddering iron and do it that way cuz its the same thing i dont mean to sould like a dick but you get what you pay for and if you half ass sh*t it makes things dangrous.
also if you are lazy or you dont want to take your a arms all the way apart you can back the castel nut all the way loose to where it allmost come off and you can shimmy bag cuys into the a arms no prob. also if you have a s10 you dont gotta cut the frame in the front if you wanna keep the truck and sell it one day with the stock suspension you can use Slam Specialties RE 200 and they will fit with out cutting or rubbing you will need to remove the bumpstop though also it will not lay frame like this unless you got a small rim.
if any one needs help with a bag job just let me know i will be more than happy to help

[VA72C10]

i've heard nothing but good things about Viair, why the issue with them? Just too slow for you? I just bought dual 380 viairs and am wondering if i should put them back up for sale.

[Jayman931]

schic...i just sent you an IM but I figure i might as well post it....because it could help someone with the same questions as I have....

I am trying to figure out what all I need. I want to be on the ground....You have some of the components...but what you posted in your thread isn't everything you need....is it? I don't know alot about baggin cars ( I will have someone helping me with the install who is good with it)

If I get the following...do I need anything else....

I am looking at 2 kits:

http://www.jpkustoms.com/catalog/com...35dc94223fb2de

and

http://www.*****************/AutoPilo...entSystem.php#

If I get the Kit plus the following am I good to go?

C-notch
Drop Spindles w/disk breaks
Bag Brackets

Any info you give me would be great!

Thanks
Justin

P.S..

[schic4ever]

nah your VIAIRS are ok me its just i have not had many good outcomes with them they burn up to easy for me if you dont over use them they are ok lil compressors its just i like being to where if i need air i dont need to worry with the compressor overheating also when you call viair for help or parts no one there speaks english its some dude in dubi

2. if you want your c10 to lay out here is what you will need... well here is what i pefer but that is not saying this is the best way to go i have just had the best luck with these parts i drag every day
the first kit your looking at
http://www.jpkustoms.com/catalog/com...35dc94223fb2de
is good all but the compressor they suck that is one that will over heat just filling the tank a guy i know has this kit and the compressor burned up in a week
http://www.*****************/AutoPilo...entSystem.php#
the other one does not have enough of what you need this one is just to manage air

1. 3'' drop spindle

2. front bracket kit http://www.*****************/67-87Ful...rtBrackets.php

3.Wish bone link kit super easy to install and looks good and if you run the wishbone backwards you dont need a panhard bar <HINT> http://www.*****************/UniversalWishboneKit.php

4. notch you will save your self a load of headachs with this notch it fits perfect http://www.*****************/67-72Ful...yStepNotch.php

5.Rear bag brackets
http://www.*****************/RearUppe...SinglePort.php

6.steel tube to brace your notch and rear bag any of these will work great depending on the size you need bracketshttp://www.*****************/SteelTubing.php

7. AIR BAGS <DUH> use a like 2600 in the front and i like to use a 3bell in the rear of a c10 for mad lift the one i am building now will have 3 bells i will post some pics
http://www.*****************/AirbagsSlamSpecialties.php FRONT
http://www.*****************/Contitec...SinglePort.php REAR if you can do it

8. quick fittings
http://www.*****************/FittingsMaleElbow.php 4 for your single port bags depending on size

9. these for your tank http://www.*****************/FittingsMaleConnector.php

10. GC Valves 1800 295 1101 OR GODFATHER CUSTOMS CHEEP! 35$ for 1/2" last forever

11. compressor this is the list of my favs

1
.http://www.*****************/AirManag...ressorKits.php

2.http://www.*****************/OasisXD4000200PSI.php

3.http://www.*****************/AirZenith200PSISilver.php

12. AIR LINE http://www.*****************/AirLine(DOT).php

13. switch box http://www.*****************/AirManag...witchBoxes.php

14.gauge or you can go dig but they are off a lil the manual gauges are better http://www.*****************/AirManagementAirGauges.php

15. and a tank dont go over board with a tank if you have a small compressor 8gal is more than enough your compressor will need to work harder to fill more space now if you have a big compressor more size more play time http://www.*****************/AirManagementAirtanks.php

and i have never put a pair of shocks back on a air ride job it dont get smother that air so dont waist your cash on shock mounts or drop shocks its a waist of money and your bags will be slower... hope this is some help let me know if you need any thing else i will try to put a kit togeather and post the link sry about spelling in a rush

[smashingchuck]

Originally Posted by schic4ever

and i have never put a pair of shocks back on a air ride job it dont get smother that air so dont waist your cash on shock mounts or drop shocks its a waist of money and your bags will be slower...

seriously.

[schic4ever]

Originally Posted by smashingchuck

seriously.

yeh shocks slow the fall rate of the bags the whole idea behind a shock is to damper suspension movement if your want your suspension to move why would you put something on there that will damer or slow what you want to happen i fill my bags to about 200-250 and blow a lil air off like hit the switch maybe 3 "taps" and mine rides great i have had people ask me if i had air ride technology

[grnddwn]

Originally Posted by smashingchuck

seriously.

Yeah seriously?

[Shane]

is he is recommending a pressure of 200-250 in bags and to NOT run shocks???

[schic4ever]

i am not recommending that psi i am just saying that is what i run i have never had any problems with my setup nor with any other i have done i just saw some people on here aksing about what are good parts and i was just saying what i think are good i am not saying one way or the other its just that some of the people asking about parts may want to know there are people that do run shockless. and what parts some people like i have a good freind with shocks on his set up and that works for him but i just dont see the point in adding them and i am being serious and how am i a numb skull for trying to give people some help with parts i thought a fourm was to help people? its too bad that some one will give you Sh*t for saying waht they like or dont like.
this is one of my s10s with over 200 psi WITH OUT SHOCKS laying on 22s
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this one has no shocks

this one also

[royo]

??????????????????????? do you drive this every day?Is this some sort of hoping, competion truck? what size airline do you have going to your bags

[PipsC10]

Originally Posted by schic4ever

and i am being serious and how am i a numb skull for trying to give people some help with parts i thought a fourm was to help people? its too bad that some one will give you Sh*t for saying waht they like or dont like.
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this one has no shocks

this one also

I dont think anyone was giving you a hard time, it sounds that they were more curious than anything. I just finished installing a complete air ride set-up, and I have also never heard of running without shocks. I watched your videos and it looks like your goal for air ride is different than most on this board. In my situation I was just looking for great ride quality and the ability to adjust the ride height when needed.

Dont shocks also help with the rebound of the springs, not just the compression? I guess if your looking for immediate fast responses when airing out or raising your vehicle shocks would slow it down. I would think that shocks would help a lot with the rebound. When looking at ride quality, I cannot see in any apllication where shocks would hurt, only help. But this is also someone who has never drivin an air ride vehicle. I have ridden in a few, but don't have anything to compare them too.

By the way nice truck

[schic4ever]

yeh that is sound the shocks do help but i have drove trucks and cars with shocks and with out shocks and i have seen no dif the only other thing is my s10 has now sway bars so it can hit side to side on my cuzs truck with a 2link with no sway bars he can hit 3 wheel its funny to see i was just trying to give people some advice with air ride on things to do a set up that would do every thing you want it to and perform my whole thing with bags are if your gonna bag it drag it the c10 i have now that we are bagging is a all numbers matching c10 i have pissed off some of the hot roders here for that the old paint and body guys hate me for hacking up the truck but it will lay door and drag every day when i am done with it and here is the vid of me draggin off the oil pan at the end you will see a long trail of fire where the oil was burning on the road i hit record off my cell phone sry about the vid with how graney it is

YouTube - draggin

i just want to help with what i know about bags i had one of the first sets you could buy in the bags had one bell and they sucked i used a stock lincon compressor for them and when that went i would fill up at my shop untill i found the firestone compressor i have destroyed a bunch on my own trucks to know better know on what works and what dont

[scotts62]

that sucks...

[Jayman931]

Thanks for the parts list....as well as the vidz....pretty sweet.

I am still undecided on which route I will go....I don't make quick decisions...lol

[watahyahknow]

i would be weary to run any car without shocks , but then again we have a LOT more corners and prolly rain too then the states

[BACKYARD88]

From my personal experience I can say that although it isn't near as bad as a steel sprung truck air ride without shocks is too bouncy for me. I was also running about 65psi front and 45psi rear. More than that and I feel like it rode more like a potato wagon

[schic4ever]

Originally Posted by BACKYARD88

From my personal experience I can say that although it isn't near as bad as a steel sprung truck air ride without shocks is too bouncy for me. I was also running about 65psi front and 45psi rear. More than that and I feel like it rode more like a potato wagon

yeh mine did when i had the bags mounted on the link bars but when i went to over the axel it is great now i cant tell a dif between the 2 now other than when i had the shocks bolted in it was slow as hell then i tookem off and never looked backed by the way i love the nasty camber your truck has i did not know the fram was Zd some one was looking for someone bagged with stock spendals and i found yours then i was told about that but its nasty i am looking for some 3" drop spendals right now if any one has any for sell let me know i would like to get some soon

[MeanYellowZ]

You should slow down your typing a little bit and not push everyone on, "its my way or nothing" and these guys might roll with you a little more man. You're typing kinda makes me picture a 12 year old with ADD on the other end of the keyboard.

I too have built a lot of bagged cars/ trucks and I put shocks on them and havent ever had it slow them down, or if it did it was barely noticeable. I have also never liked the crap DOT line and its small ID, I only use hydraulic line, with a decent ID, enough to flow some air. Here was one of my last daily driver/ beaters:

YouTube - My 63 Impala movin on fast airbags...

Ill be bagging my 72 shortbed in the next month or so.

[watahyahknow]

dunno wat shocks he was using , it might be they where too tight on the rebound , think a set of tuneable shocks would be the ticket .

[Shane]

bad ass Impala bro ... shocks and all.

[BACKYARD88]

[bagged74]

just saw this thread.....lol no shocks? seriously...250psi? seriously

[schic4ever]

yeh i drive the s10 with 22s every day and i am working on a c10 now my lines are all 1/2 inch dot ont the s10 and on the c10 they are copper i have a 12 gal tank and a 8gal on the c10 and the s10 will only hop like 4" of the ground at 250psi my down vaulvs are 3/8 and my ups are 1/2 i did the small ones to drop so i would not f*ck the truck up if you guys wont to see pics i can post them what do you want to see?

[royo]

Originally Posted by schic4ever

yeh i drive the s10 with 22s every day and i am working on a c10 now my lines are all 1/2 inch dot ont the s10 and on the c10 they are copper i have a 12 gal tank and a 8gal on the c10 and the s10 will only hop like 4" of the ground at 250psi my down vaulvs are 3/8 and my ups are 1/2 i did the small ones to drop so i would not f*ck the truck up if you guys wont to see pics i can post them what do you want to see?

show me the pics. it dont matter just any . i bet it jumps off the ground when you air it up .

[schic4ever]

i will post a vid link on youtube let me go and film it