HHO Gas - Brown Gas

[69ShortStep]

Been reading about it and was wondering if it is for real and if anyone had used it on one of our trucks or any vehicle to increase mpg.

[lowriden58]

never heard of it myself.. so im subscribing

[68 short step]

i had my 95 GMC running off it (at idel) on pure HHO, not HHO gas blend....it wouldnt run if i gave it gas, because my generator i made didnt create enough hygrogen.... here is the short vid i made of my hydrogen generator

[Blue'72]

Whoa, cool! I'll be watching this one too!

[LockDoc]

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My cousin told me last night at the local cruise in that there was a guy that had a display and was selling something at the "Back To The Fifties" show in MN. He gave me a web site to go to called http://www.passmygas.com/ I haven't read anything on it yet but I plan to.

LockDoc

[70' GMC]

keep me posted on this fellas

[69ShortStep]

Thanks 68 Short Step - Well, you proved it is for real. That was a cool video. Did you build that generator on your own or did you buy a kit from a website like LockDoc was talking about?

[68 short step]

Originally Posted by 69ShortStep

Thanks 68 Short Step - Well, you proved it is for real. That was a cool video. Did you build that generator on your own or did you buy a kit from a website like LockDoc was talking about?

built it with supplies from lowes.....less then 50$ if you start with nothing.....

[Indyuke]

HHO is pretty neat. I've heard from guys that you get the best results with a fish carburetor and an HHO generator since (from what everything I can gather) the HHO essentially raises the octane rating of the gas to a massive extent when mixed.

I just have a q-jet, but someday I hope to get myself a good fish carb. Basically a mechanical fuel injection system that runs at a mix ratio of 17:1, or thereabouts depending on how you've got it tuned. They're a drag to tune.

[IvelDesigns]

subscribing

[Hart_Rod]

Interesting....................................

[BarryB]

My Dad and I are working on getting one to run solely on Hydrogen, The voltage going to the generator play REALY big parts in how much Hydrogen it makes. The less amps it pulls the better. and reducing the voltage also.
Also you can't just use plain water, you have to add an eletrolite, such as baking soda. we have found out recently but haven't tried it, but Lye is suppost to be a better eletrolite. Because these things create alot of heat, and the lye is suppost to keep the temps down, but also stimulating more hyrdrogen production.

[*Dylan]

If it works for I-6's I might have to look into it.

[Indyuke]

I've heard lye is a better electrolyte, but I didn't know it kept the temps down. I'll have to try it.

I know a guy who used to run his lawnmower solely on HHO, but he burnt it up. I guess the aluminum was too soft for the heat and pressures so he lost compression. Last I heard he was going to try chrome lining the cylinder wall to prevent it from becoming all scraped up.

[LockDoc]

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Here is the best site I found for plans.... There may be others.

http://www.ehow.com/how_2262517_hho-...ctrolyser.html

One thing I found that makes sense: You need two vacuum lines from the HHO generator, one direct to the intake manifold for idle and one to the air intake tube or vacuum port above the throttle plate for high speed. You can run one hose from the container and put a vacuum "T" or "Y" in it to split it.

LockDoc

[ChevLoRay]

[QUOTE=Indyuke;2799582]I've heard lye is a better electrolyte, but I didn't know it kept the temps down. I'll have to try it.QUOTE]

You'll have to excuse me, but doesn't mixing lye with water generate HEAT? When I worked for a photofinishing company, we'd clean the tanks every week with lye and water, to kill any algae that may have started growing in the chemicals. I may be wrong, but lye has been used to help unclog drains, and I remember them getting warm. It may have been just the reaction of the lye/water with whatever was clogging the drain that generated heat. So, please correct me if I am wrong.

[rlb67]

I heard about HHO about a week ago and started investigating on the internet. What I've read states that the conversion from water to gas is about 80% efficient, which means that if you put in 10 hp you will get 8 hp in return. I don't understand how a vehicle could get better fuel mileage if this is the case. The only thing I can make sense is that it actually increases the efficiency of the engine, which means that the combustion temperatures are elevated. I would like to know what long term affects are if this is the case. I would be willing to try it though.

[68 short step]

Originally Posted by rlb67

. What I've read states that the conversion from water to gas is about 80% efficient, .

im not sure how much sence this makes.....are you talking about the actual burning of the gas (HHO) is 80% efficient??? you can never 'lose' energy, its just changes forms.......so changeing from water to hydrogen you dont lose any energy....now burning hydrogen, is more then 3X more effecient then gas... gas is only used about 20% to power our vehicles, the remainder 80% is lost to heat (exhaust)......now on the other hand burning HHO is about 80% effecient, cause after burnt and exspelled through the exhaust it returns back to water, and only 20% is wasted due to heat......

[rlb67]

Originally Posted by 68 short step

im not sure how much sence this makes.....are you talking about the actual burning of the gas (HHO) is 80% efficient??? you can never 'lose' energy, its just changes forms.......so changeing from water to hydrogen you dont lose any energy....now burning hydrogen, is more then 3X more effecient then gas... gas is only used about 20% to power our vehicles, the remainder 80% is lost to heat (exhaust)......now on the other hand burning HHO is about 80% effecient, cause after burnt and exspelled through the exhaust it returns back to water, and only 20% is wasted due to heat......

What I mean is that you will only get 80% of engery you put in, the rest is lost through heat energy (current flow). E(in) = E(out) + E(loss) 2nd Law of Thermodynamics

[odog]

Originally Posted by 68 short step

im not sure how much sence this makes.....are you talking about the actual burning of the gas (HHO) is 80% efficient??? you can never 'lose' energy, its just changes forms.......so changeing from water to hydrogen you dont lose any energy....now burning hydrogen, is more then 3X more effecient then gas... gas is only used about 20% to power our vehicles, the remainder 80% is lost to heat (exhaust)......now on the other hand burning HHO is about 80% effecient, cause after burnt and exspelled through the exhaust it returns back to water, and only 20% is wasted due to heat......

Not to nit pick, but I believe you can lose energy when it changes form, mass is what you can never lose, doesn't matter what form it is in, one lb of ice will be one lb of water when melted, same as when chaged to gas. I think its called the law of conservation of mass. Energy is a whole different thing. Energy has to be converted to work to be usefull. When converted to work some energy loss is inevitable, due in large part to friction and other factors. This is where efficiency plays a role. It also gets boring and complicated from here and I am already giving myself a headache trying to remember my chemistry and physics classes.

I don't know that better fuel economy is the overall goal here, if I had an engine that got 10 miles to the gallon on $4.15 a gallon gas versus an engine that got 1 mile to the gallon on water I can get out of the roadside ditch, I would take the engine that ran on water.

I would like to see the long term effects on an engine. This is pretty
interesting stuff.

Sorry for the boredom.

[SactoJim]

Lots of stuff out there on this. Get on YouTube and do a search....quite a bit comes up. This website has lots of info, but the guy wants some $ for the "how to". I'd like to hear from someone that has actually had success.

http://www.water4gas.com/2books.htm

[Blue'72]

The only thing I know about this stuff is what I learned when my brother was playing around years ago. He would take lye and drop some tin foil in and the fumes it gave off was hydrogen. We filled balloons and stuff with it and made some big booms..

[68caliRat]

The "Mythbusters" disproved this on their show. It wouldn't produce enough to run a normal car more than just enough to start it..But then again I do always see faults in their methods..

[JayDubBlazer]

subscribed

[Jayman931]

I have been reading about this for along time. Have been thinking of trying it....

Stanley Meyer made an engine and it ran COMPETELY off water.....The sold his plans for the engine to the government and a year and a half later he was murdered...(he was offered 100 billion dollars from OPEC for the rights to it...)

Video of News cast

YouTube - Stan Meyer's Water Fuel Cell Car

Video of Stanley Meyer and his Murder

YouTube - Run Your Car On Water Today: STAN MEYER...