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custom72c20 · 09-22-2008, 10:43 PM

I am currently starting on my swb frame and need some help. I recently purchased a power steering box from a friend that was for a 72. I bought it to put on my 68 frame that came with manual steering. Will the box bolt right up or do I have to make an indentation in the frame. I don't have the steering box with me and the frame is at my other friends shop getting a c-notch and i wanted to get this issue taken care of if there is one. All help is appreciated thanks.

skchevota · 09-22-2008, 10:48 PM

It will bolt right on, Did one on a 67, nice convertion.

custom72c20 · 09-22-2008, 10:53 PM

sweet!! that what i like to here. thanks for the imput.

custom72c20 · 09-23-2008, 09:16 PM

i forgot to mention that the steering box was for a c20. will it still bolt up? thanks

msgross · 09-23-2008, 09:20 PM

IF your frame has the raised pads under your current steering box then it will. If it doesn't then you can buy a 60-66 conversion kit for the frame or beat a large dimple into it. I'm gonna buy the $80 spacer kit myself since my frame is flat...

custom72c20 · 09-23-2008, 10:03 PM

ok. i think my frame has the raised pads, but ill have to check to make sure. thanks

Longhorn Man · 09-23-2008, 10:04 PM

most 67's were flat, and some 68s were flat too.
I don't recomend the spacer, but I get flamed with all the "it worked for me" guys so i won't bother explaining.

Longhorn Man · 09-23-2008, 10:15 PM

almost forgot to mention... the gear box is the same, 10, 20, and 30 series. (talkin 2 wheel drive, no clue on the 4X4 stuff)

custom72c20 · 09-23-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Longhorn Man

almost forgot to mention... the gear box is the same, 10, 20, and 30 series. (talkin 2 wheel drive, no clue on the 4X4 stuff)

thanks for the input. so if my frame is flat then i should put the indent in it. right?

Longhorn Man · 09-24-2008, 06:06 AM

that's my recomendation, yes.

msgross · 09-24-2008, 03:59 PM

4WD boxes are the same except that the pitman arm moves fore and aft not left and right...

BlueJeep · 09-24-2008, 04:35 PM

Longhorn Man,

Since I'm curious.... what is your objection to a spacer? Is it the leverage on the bolts caused by the steering forces (similar to the forces on a body lift)?

msgross,
The sector shaft is different on the 2wd vs. 4wd boxes too I think.

alfeefish · 09-24-2008, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluejeep

longhorn man,

since i'm curious.... What is your objection to a spacer? Is it the leverage on the bolts caused by the steering forces (similar to the forces on a body lift)?

Msgross,
the sector shaft is different on the 2wd vs. 4wd boxes too i think.

ttt

Longhorn Man · 09-24-2008, 08:37 PM

there is added leverage, yes. This can cause the frame to crack, or broken mounting bolts. However, it is uncommon.
The real reason, it throws the steering off center. You can't center the steering properly. And, on the work gear, the center is hardened moreso than the 'turning' part of the gear.
This can cause premature wear, and added slop in the steering.

custom72c20 · 09-24-2008, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longhorn Man

there is added leverage, yes. This can cause the frame to crack, or broken mounting bolts. However, it is uncommon.
The real reason, it throws the steering off center. You can't center the steering properly. And, on the work gear, the center is hardened moreso than the 'turning' part of the gear.
This can cause premature wear, and added slop in the steering.

glad i won't be doing that. thanks again.

09-22-2008, 10:43 PM	#1
custom72c20 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Temecula,CA Posts: 309	FRAME HELP Please!!! I am currently starting on my swb frame and need some help. I recently purchased a power steering box from a friend that was for a 72. I bought it to put on my 68 frame that came with manual steering. Will the box bolt right up or do I have to make an indentation in the frame. I don't have the steering box with me and the frame is at my other friends shop getting a c-notch and i wanted to get this issue taken care of if there is one. All help is appreciated thanks. __________________ Nick Old pic of my 72: http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0435co5.jpg 04 Silverado Daily Driver 68 GMC short step http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=379665 "I'll beat you to the gas station!!"

09-22-2008, 10:48 PM	#2
skchevota Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Evans, Colorado Posts: 530	Re: FRAME HELP Please!!! It will bolt right on, Did one on a 67, nice convertion.

09-22-2008, 10:53 PM	#3
custom72c20 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Temecula,CA Posts: 309	Re: FRAME HELP Please!!! sweet!! that what i like to here. thanks for the imput. __________________ Nick Old pic of my 72: http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0435co5.jpg 04 Silverado Daily Driver 68 GMC short step http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=379665 "I'll beat you to the gas station!!"

09-23-2008, 09:16 PM	#4
custom72c20 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Temecula,CA Posts: 309	Re: FRAME HELP Please!!! i forgot to mention that the steering box was for a c20. will it still bolt up? thanks __________________ Nick Old pic of my 72: http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0435co5.jpg 04 Silverado Daily Driver 68 GMC short step http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=379665 "I'll beat you to the gas station!!"

09-23-2008, 09:20 PM	#5
msgross Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central PA Posts: 12,201	Re: FRAME HELP Please!!! IF your frame has the raised pads under your current steering box then it will. If it doesn't then you can buy a 60-66 conversion kit for the frame or beat a large dimple into it. I'm gonna buy the $80 spacer kit myself since my frame is flat... __________________ The Garage: 1968 K-10 SWB - "Project Money Pit" 1996 Z-71 - "huntin rig" 1969 C-10 LWB (SOLD) "Project flip that truck or else" 1993 Passport, F@rd 1-ton (SOLD)"Project Cousin Eddie" My Garage Build "The 1,000 footer"

09-23-2008, 10:03 PM	#6
custom72c20 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Temecula,CA Posts: 309	Re: FRAME HELP Please!!! ok. i think my frame has the raised pads, but ill have to check to make sure. thanks __________________ Nick Old pic of my 72: http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0435co5.jpg 04 Silverado Daily Driver 68 GMC short step http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=379665 "I'll beat you to the gas station!!"

09-23-2008, 10:04 PM	#7
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	Re: FRAME HELP Please!!! most 67's were flat, and some 68s were flat too. I don't recomend the spacer, but I get flamed with all the "it worked for me" guys so i won't bother explaining.

09-23-2008, 10:15 PM	#8
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	Re: FRAME HELP Please!!! almost forgot to mention... the gear box is the same, 10, 20, and 30 series. (talkin 2 wheel drive, no clue on the 4X4 stuff)

09-24-2008, 06:06 AM	#10
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	Re: FRAME HELP Please!!! that's my recomendation, yes.

09-24-2008, 03:59 PM	#11
msgross Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central PA Posts: 12,201	Re: FRAME HELP Please!!! 4WD boxes are the same except that the pitman arm moves fore and aft not left and right... __________________ The Garage: 1968 K-10 SWB - "Project Money Pit" 1996 Z-71 - "huntin rig" 1969 C-10 LWB (SOLD) "Project flip that truck or else" 1993 Passport, F@rd 1-ton (SOLD)"Project Cousin Eddie" My Garage Build "The 1,000 footer"

09-24-2008, 04:35 PM	#12
BlueJeep Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waukee, Iowa Posts: 1,608	Re: FRAME HELP Please!!! Longhorn Man, Since I'm curious.... what is your objection to a spacer? Is it the leverage on the bolts caused by the steering forces (similar to the forces on a body lift)? msgross, The sector shaft is different on the 2wd vs. 4wd boxes too I think. __________________ build threads: 86 Suburban 88 Jeep 6.0 swap 49 Chevy truck 54 Chevy wagon 86 Suburban lowered 4/6 54 Chevy wagon 49 Chevy/s10 mix 88 Jeep Wrangler rockcrawler Last edited by BlueJeep; 09-24-2008 at 04:35 PM.

09-24-2008, 08:37 PM	#14
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	Re: FRAME HELP Please!!! there is added leverage, yes. This can cause the frame to crack, or broken mounting bolts. However, it is uncommon. The real reason, it throws the steering off center. You can't center the steering properly. And, on the work gear, the center is hardened moreso than the 'turning' part of the gear. This can cause premature wear, and added slop in the steering.



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