First Post looking for help

[slategrove]

I just purchased what was advertised as a 1967 C-10 with I6.

After looking through the site here, I found that the VIN didn't have the right amount of letters/character...it has a Kentucky issued VIN plate in the door jam, held on with a single screw (which I'm questioning the legality of).

I looked inside the glove box door and found a vin of CE148Fserial# which I decipher as a 1948 pickup with a V-8 gasoline powered engine (if the glove box is original)

Below the VIN in the glove box is a list of option codes and the explanations for those codes, but on none of the 5 codes/ecplanations are all lines legible...I'm wondering if anyone knows what the codes mean?

450???-Dark Blue (I get this one)
4V37EA- (illegible explanation)
4604JA- (illegible explanation)
4U63HA- (illegible explanation)
4G60AB- (illegible explanation)

Engine casting numbers: 3921968 (passenger side middle of block)

Any help on the codes & engine casting #'s would be greatly appreciated, and advise/ideas on the VIN ?

Thanks in advance,
Slate

[VA72C10]

Do you have any pictures of the truck? Free bump for you...

[slategrove]

Here are the pics I have now

[slategrove]

And these too...

[slategrove]

sorry here they are...still not working

[too much stuff]

The grill looks like a 69, the cab looks like a 67. The box is 68-72. See if you can find the numbers on the frame.

[seldomseen65]

Originally Posted by slategrove

Here are the pics I have now

looks like 69 or 70 truck to me ,,i have had a truck that i had the same problem with and i had to get a title search for it so i could just register it in Calif. look along the frame rail, on the drivers side next to the engine near the steering shaft and clean it off real good and you should find some numbers there to tell you what you might have. but i know for sure it's not a 48 truck.

[seldomseen65]

Originally Posted by slategrove

Here are the pics I have now

I just notice on the front and back of your truck you have two different plates ,
WHY??? now that would be a good place to start looking for some info on the registration.

[larry may]

What is the vin number on the title? Then on the top of the frame on the drivers side above the engine mount or near that area is the vin number stamped. In larger characters. See if them match up. as the same. Sounds like the door tag has been changed and probably used to title another vehicle . Figure it out befor ya get to far down the road with it. . Keep us posted. Is intresting .

[seldomseen65]

Originally Posted by larry may

What is the vin number on the title? Then on the top of the frame on the drivers side above the engine mount or near that area is the vin number stamped. In larger characters. See if them match up. as the same. Sounds like the door tag has been changed and probably used to title another vehicle . Figure it out befor ya get to far down the road with it. . Keep us posted. Is intresting .

thanks Larry m, i just gave him the same info, good to know these things huh?
i just hope he doesn't have a stolen !! cool looking truck, nice wheels and the body loos straight ,, same first name here.

[slategrove]

Originally Posted by larry may

What is the vin number on the title? Then on the top of the frame on the drivers side above the engine mount or near that area is the vin number stamped. In larger characters. See if them match up. as the same. Sounds like the door tag has been changed and probably used to title another vehicle . Figure it out befor ya get to far down the road with it. . Keep us posted. Is intresting .

The VIN on the Title (which reads for a 1967 C-10 6cyl) is the same as the Vin on the Kentucky Assigned Identification Plate (the one being held on with a crew in the old rivet hole on the door jam)

I can't find a number on the top of the frame near the drivers side engine mount, maybe I didn't clean it well enough?

I'm going to get a temp tag tomorrow so that Tuesday I can drive it to the Theft and Loss division of NC DMV (required for vehicles over 25 yrs. old). They take pictures, and check numbers, so I guess I'll know then, huh? I have the clear title, stamped by a Notary and signed by the previous owner...I just emailed him today to find out more about the trucks (GUS is his name) history.

[leddzepp]

CE148F....we need the rest of the VIN to decipher it. It starts off on the right track to a 1967 truck. There is a VIN code decipher chart here on the board, I will try to locate it and post it here for you.

www.mortec.com is a great place to look up engine casting numbers

[leddzepp]

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1967-1972 VIN Number Codes
Example: CE149J 100001
Chassis Designation (1st digit)
C= 4x2
K= 4x4

Engine Deisgnation (2nd digit)
E = V-8 Gas
S = Six Cylinder Gas

GVW Range (3rd Digit)
1 = 1/2 Ton
2 = 3/4 Ton
3 = 1 Ton

Model Code (4th Digit)
4 = Pickup with Cab and Bed

Model Year (5th Digit)
7 = 1967
8 = 1968
9 = 1969
0 = 1970
1 = 1971
2 = 1972

Assembly Plant
A = Atlanta
B = Baltimore
F = Flint
J = Janesville
N = Norwood
P = Pontiac
S = St. Louis
T = Tarrytown
Z = Fremont
1 = Oshawa

Vehicle Serial Number
100001 = 1st Unit Built

1967-1972 Model Number Codes
(The Model Number is located on the inside of the glove box door.)
Example: C E 1 09 9 34 J 100001
Chassis Designation (1st digit)
C = 4x2
K = 4x4
P = Forward Control

Engine Deisgnation (2nd digit)
E = V-8 Gas
S = Six Cylinder Gas

GVW Range (3rd Digit)
1 = 1/2 Ton
2 = 3/4 Ton
3 = 1 Ton

Cab To Axle Dimension (4th Digit)
07 = 42"-47"
09 = 54"-59"
10 = 60"-65"
12 = 72"-77"
13 = 78"-83"
14 = 84"-89"
15 = 90"-95"

Model Year (5th Digit)
7 - 1967
8 - 1968
9 - 1969
0 - 1970
1 - 1971
2 - 1972

Body and Brake (6th Digit)
02 = Flat Face Cowl
03 = Cab
04 = Stepside Pickup
05 = Panel
06 = Suburban
09 = Cab, Platform, and Stake Rack
12 = Windshield Cowl
16 = Suburban (Tail and Liftgate)
26 = Custom Suburban (Panel Rear Doors)
34 = Fleetside Pickup
35 = Foward Control (Square Front)
36 = Deluxe Suburban (Panel Rear Doors)
42 = Forward Control Chassis
45 = Forward Control Panel (Round Front)

Assembly Plant
A = Atlanta
B = Baltimore
F = Flint
J = Janesville
N = Norwood
P = Pontiac (GM Truck)
S = St. Louis
T = Tarrytown
Z = Fremont
1 = Oshawa, Ont., Can.

Vehicle Serial Number
100001 = 1st Unit Built

[seldomseen65]

Originally Posted by leddzepp

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1967-1972 VIN Number Codes
Example: CE149J 100001
Chassis Designation (1st digit)
C= 4x2
K= 4x4

Engine Deisgnation (2nd digit)
E = V-8 Gas
S = Six Cylinder Gas

GVW Range (3rd Digit)
1 = 1/2 Ton
2 = 3/4 Ton
3 = 1 Ton

Model Code (4th Digit)
4 = Pickup with Cab and Bed

Model Year (5th Digit)
7 = 1967
8 = 1968
9 = 1969
0 = 1970
1 = 1971
2 = 1972

Assembly Plant
A = Atlanta
B = Baltimore
F = Flint
J = Janesville
N = Norwood
P = Pontiac
S = St. Louis
T = Tarrytown
Z = Fremont
1 = Oshawa

Vehicle Serial Number
100001 = 1st Unit Built

1967-1972 Model Number Codes
(The Model Number is located on the inside of the glove box door.)
Example: C E 1 09 9 34 J 100001
Chassis Designation (1st digit)
C = 4x2
K = 4x4
P = Forward Control

Engine Deisgnation (2nd digit)
E = V-8 Gas
S = Six Cylinder Gas

GVW Range (3rd Digit)
1 = 1/2 Ton
2 = 3/4 Ton
3 = 1 Ton

Cab To Axle Dimension (4th Digit)
07 = 42"-47"
09 = 54"-59"
10 = 60"-65"
12 = 72"-77"
13 = 78"-83"
14 = 84"-89"
15 = 90"-95"

Model Year (5th Digit)
7 - 1967
8 - 1968
9 - 1969
0 - 1970
1 - 1971
2 - 1972

Body and Brake (6th Digit)
02 = Flat Face Cowl
03 = Cab
04 = Stepside Pickup
05 = Panel
06 = Suburban
09 = Cab, Platform, and Stake Rack
12 = Windshield Cowl
16 = Suburban (Tail and Liftgate)
26 = Custom Suburban (Panel Rear Doors)
34 = Fleetside Pickup
35 = Foward Control (Square Front)
36 = Deluxe Suburban (Panel Rear Doors)
42 = Forward Control Chassis
45 = Forward Control Panel (Round Front)

Assembly Plant
A = Atlanta
B = Baltimore
F = Flint
J = Janesville
N = Norwood
P = Pontiac (GM Truck)
S = St. Louis
T = Tarrytown
Z = Fremont
1 = Oshawa, Ont., Can.

Vehicle Serial Number
100001 = 1st Unit Built

hey ledd, how you doing, good write up on all the stats , going to copy this if it's OK with you. had the same problem when i got mine years ago. i just hope he bought a clean truck ??

[seldomseen65]

Originally Posted by seldomseen65

hey ledd, how you doing, good write up on all the stats , going to copy this if it's OK with you. had the same problem when i got mine years ago. i just hope he bought a clean truck ??

hey Ledd; check the plates on the truck, front and back,,,different huh?

[slategrove]

Originally Posted by seldomseen65

hey Ledd; check the plates on the truck, front and back,,,different huh?

Those pics were taken in the previous owners driveway, when my folks took it for a test drive for me...Kentucky only has a rear plate, anything on the front is ignored, in this case he had a vintage KY plate on the front

Going to go clean the frame better right now, post when I find something.

Thanks

[seldomseen65]

Originally Posted by slategrove

Those pics were taken in the previous owners driveway, when my folks took it for a test drive for me...Kentucky only has a rear plate, anything on the front is ignored, in this case he had a vintage KY plate on the front

Going to go clean the frame better right now, post when I find something.

Thanks

the others plates should give you some info on the year and what you have keep us posted very interesting hope all of us have help you out,Ledd has some good info on the trucks and I'm taking all of it on paper, good stuff, Ledd

[VA72C10]

Well, that's a 69-72 at minimum with a 69-70 grille (69 insert) Sidemarkers could be from 69-72. But definitely not 67 unless the bed and fenders have been changed.

[see ten]

Originally Posted by VA72C10

Well, that's a 69-72 at minimum with a 69-70 grille (69 insert) Sidemarkers could be from 69-72. But definitely not 67 unless the bed and fenders have been changed.

You missed the small back glass buddy.

[VA72C10]

Originally Posted by see ten

You missed the small back glass buddy.

Focused in on the fenders and grille...should have paid a lil more attention...

[slategrove]

I looked inside the glove box door and found a vin of CE148Fserial# which I decipher as a 1948 pickup with a V-8 gasoline powered engine (if the glove box is original)

Sorry, meant 1968, my car is a 1948, just a typo...

Engine casting numbers: 3921968 (passenger side middle of block)

Found this to be a 64-76 Chevy/Olds 6 cylinder with 230-250cid

[leddzepp]

Hey SeldomSeen- How's it going today? That chart I posted is here on the board somewhere...I am not sure in FAQ or what. But if you do a search, you can find it on here. I did not compile it myself....I think one of the mods did, but I am not sure.

[Longhorn Man]

CS147Z100490... this makes it a very very early 67, most likely built in the summer of 66. That is possibly the oldest 67 on here... it was the 490th off the assembly line in Freemont. (califorrnia I think?) That is most likely the first week of production.
The problem you may have, is you have no documentation of the VIN tag being swapped out. If they have any issues with it tell them to call kentucky since you say it looks like a state issued plate.
I'm curiouse on how the old VIN plate was unreadable... it was supposed to be 2 plates that had only embossed numbers and letters. Nothing was painted/printed on there.
Either way, if they give you crap, show them the frame rail that you cleaned up, and the fact that the number on the state issued plate and the title all match. I would tripple check it one number/letter at a time and make 100% sure they do. My '70 one ton's frame is one chassis older than the cab. The frame reads 0B160292, while the title has 0B160293. I figure they dropped a cab on the assembly line, or there was a defective cab found, and the numbers were off for a short bit till one end of the line got ahold of the other end of the line and told them to skip a number.

[slategrove]

Got my temp. tag on Monday, and today I drove an hour each way to get the truck inspected, the inspector said he didn't like the idea of the KY VIN plate being held on with a screw, but since it matched the title, he wanted me to secure the VIN tag permanently as soon as I got home. He took pics of both the KY VIN tag, and my frame number and told me I was good to GO.

By the time I got back home to my local Tag office, the inspector had called, and told the lady to have me call him prior to turning in my paperwork, because there was a problem and I would have to be issued a NC VIN. I stood there trying to call him, but apparently being a License and Theft Inspector in NC is a sweet gig, he works 8am-10am...so I can't get a hold of him until tomorrow.

He surprised me with how nice he was, and said that he may have to jump through some hoops...but he would get me a title!!!

Let you know what he says tomorrow,

[dan42]

Originally Posted by Longhorn Man

CS147Z100490... this makes it a very very early 67, most likely built in the summer of 66. That is possibly the oldest 67 on here... it was the 490th off the assembly line in Freemont. (califorrnia I think?) That is most likely the first week of production.
The problem you may have, is you have no documentation of the VIN tag being swapped out. If they have any issues with it tell them to call kentucky since you say it looks like a state issued plate.
I'm curiouse on how the old VIN plate was unreadable... it was supposed to be 2 plates that had only embossed numbers and letters. Nothing was painted/printed on there.
Either way, if they give you crap, show them the frame rail that you cleaned up, and the fact that the number on the state issued plate and the title all match. I would tripple check it one number/letter at a time and make 100% sure they do. My '70 one ton's frame is one chassis older than the cab. The frame reads 0B160292, while the title has 0B160293. I figure they dropped a cab on the assembly line, or there was a defective cab found, and the numbers were off for a short bit till one end of the line got ahold of the other end of the line and told them to skip a number.

He's got me beat by 400 trucks - mine was the 871st truck made in Freemont, in September of '66. Pretty cool to see the history of trucks.