Stupid Question about burnouts

[ZombieWeinerDog]

i have a 3 speed manual rear wheel drive. it has disks in the front and drums in the back. will revving it up, dumping the clutch, and holding down the break damage the rear brake? i have enough power to do it, but i am worried about damaging the rear brake drums.

[special-K]

Yeah,why wouldn`t it?Are the brakes all you`re concerned about?

[1970 CST Short Wide]

Think about it. You’re trying to stop your wheels by holding down the brake but they continue to spin because you’re pouring the coals to it. You'll be replacing brake shoes more often at the least not to mention the strain you’re putting on the rest of the brake parts.

[ZombieWeinerDog]

thats what i thought

[bigguy69]

you could buy a line loc to lock the front brakes and it will do better burnouts

[ZombieWeinerDog]

Originally Posted by bigguy69

you could buy a line loc to lock the front brakes and it will do better burnouts

i read about that, how much are they?

[Skirkpat]

Why not buy a P.O.S. truck to tear up, and keep your nicer one for driving like you care about it? or you could just pull it up to a brick wall if you like spinning a tire, it is easier on the brakes?

[Skirkpat]

Originally Posted by Skirkpat

Why not buy a P.O.S. truck to tear up, and keep your nicer one for driving like you care about it? or you could just pull it up to a brick wall if you like spinning a tire, it is easier on the brakes?

My God, I have tuned into my father.....I think I see a nose hair...LOL

[GASWAGON]

The other thing to consider is the rear end. If it's a open rear, your just spinning the right rear and gear oil isn't traveling to the axle bearings or side gears. After a period of time damage can occur. A posi is better as both axles are spinning and the carrier is operating the same as driving down the road. I would second the line loc idea and keep the other info in the back of your mind. Breaking stuff is just part of the fun!!

[special-K]

Originally Posted by Skirkpat

My God, I have tuned into my father.....I think I see a nose hair...LOL

I see a couple ear hairs where they don`t belong,too.

Heck,why not mount a couple bleach jugs upside down in the bed in front of the tires (tire?) with a release cable so you can make a puddle to smoke out bigtime?

[mesa]

Originally Posted by Skirkpat

My God, I have tuned into my father.....I think I see a nose hair...LOL

That's funny!

[stealthy '69]

Originally Posted by bigguy69

you could buy a line loc to lock the front brakes and it will do better burnouts

Damn you beat me to it.

[westofb]

Originally Posted by bigguy69

you could buy a line loc to lock the front brakes and it will do better burnouts

or just crimp the rear brake line off, leaving front brakes only, cheap and easy, only tool need is a pair of vice grips...lol.

With the peg leg rear, do not think you really need to apply brakes at all to get the rear tire (1) to spin.

[stealthy '69]

Or one way to solve the stress on the rear brakes and still enjoy the good times would be a roll control kit(AKA line lock). Plus that would eliminate the hard dump on the clutch to. Since you would only have to control 2 pedals instead of 3. You can just easy it out till it starts to engage, and ta da. SMOKE (hopefully from the tires and not the clutch) Jegs sell a complete kit that's easy to install and use. A friend of mine has this kit on his 600hp LS1 camaro and It hold it very nicely.
http://www.jegs.com/p/JEGS/805233/10002/-1

[tim21391]

i did that in the snow in my eclipse and burnt my clutch so i wouldnt try it

[Longhorn Man]

this isn't as detrimental as everyone makes it sound. It is no worse for the brakes than in an automatic doing a burn out.
You'll do more damage to your tires than anything else.
Your described method is all wrong though.
Left foot on clutch to the floor.
Right heal on brake, toe on throttle. Bring the rpms up to about 1500 - 2000, and bring the clutch pedal up. Don't just pop the clutch, that's when parts fly, but bring it up fairly quick. Then move your left foot to the brake while staying in the throttle.
You don't want to mash the brake pedal, you just want to keep enough pressure to keep the truck in place.
Same on the throttle, you don't want to floor it, just keep the RPMs up around 2500 - 3500 once the tires start spinning.

This is all pointless unless you are warming up slicks at the starting line.
If on street tires, you aren't helping much at all. just a quick 10 foot burn out is all you need to knock the gravel out of the tread. (go around the bleach box if on street tires) You will be AMAZED at how quick you'll kill street tires.

Seems no one knows how to do this anymore. When I was in highschool, you weren't considered a car guy untill you could manage this... even in a 4 cylinder S-10, doing this in a stick shift made you OK in car circles.

[69halfton]

longhornman beat me to it.

..what he said, plus dumping the clutch then slamming on the brakes is not only hard on stuff, but it also looks really stupid

ive done a fair number of brake stands in my truck, and the drums dont seem to be wearing too fast, the whole thing that kills brakes is heat, if you dont stand for too long, the brakes wont get too hot, thus saving your brakes (for what its worth).

also, letting the truck just roll forward slowly, helps to keep a very minimal amount of rear brake pressure on, saving brakes, and its easier on your tires.

[oldblue1968chevy]

i just did this today...lol

how longhorn man said it..made some nice black marks in front of the house and gf telling me to stop and hoped id get a ticket lol

[Longhorn Man]

it takes a few times to get it right, but once you do, you'll amaze your friends.
I did it a few weeks ago for the first time in 15 years or so.... and it all came back to me instantly.

[special-K]

Itdefinately puts alot of stress on everything from the clutch on through the drivetrain.The brakes would be the least of my concern.They won`t break,just wear faster.That`s why I asked if he was only concerned about his brakes.To me it`s awfully lame to have to put that much effort into doing a burnout,especially in a light in the rear pickup.If you ain`t got the juice you got nothing to show off.It`s like cutting real hard pulling out,finding a patch of loose stones,or a wet spot to make a one legger spin.I`m always impressed,but not in a positive way.It`s called tryin`too hard,IMO.What`s cool is a ride turning both tires effortlessly.
I don`t think it`s the stray hairs on my nose.I elt the same when I was young.
But,as always,that`s me and if that`s what rocks your boat...

[Skirkpat]

Originally Posted by special-K

Itdefinately puts alot of stress on everything from the clutch on through the drivetrain.The brakes would be the least of my concern.They won`t break,just wear faster.That`s why I asked if he was only concerned about his brakes.To me it`s awfully lame to have to put that much effort into doing a burnout,especially in a light in the rear pickup.If you ain`t got the juice you got nothing to show off.It`s like cutting real hard pulling out,finding a patch of loose stones,or a wet spot to make a one legger spin.I`m always impressed,but not in a positive way.It`s called tryin`too hard,IMO.What`s cool is a ride turning both tires effortlessly.
I don`t think it`s the stray hairs on my nose.I elt the same when I was young.
But,as always,that`s me and if that`s what rocks your boat...

I agree...the last car I had with the heart to spin them was a 2003 Cobra Convertible...I guess with an Eaton Blower you only look for the brakes at the end of the burnout

[texanidiot25]

Honestly, once you brake the tire(s) loose, there is less load on the drive train then there is when your accelerating.

When the tires loose traction, there is a ton less friction between the road and tire, hense why skidding and spinning tires is not the fastest way to stop and start. Once you initiate the burn out, you have less load on the drivetrain than you would accelerating with full traction. Also why car's tend to break parts on a launch, not the burn out.

This is why you can hit third gear at say, 25mph instead of 70mph, or what have you. With the lack of traction, thus less resistance to the drivetrain, everything can spin faster, easier, and thus, burn rubber.

The most stressful part is breaking traction, but if you get good, this takes nothing.

YouTube - CST10 Burnouts

The Fastest thing to wear is tires. The next is brakes. Watch your RPMs and don't get too excited, letting them climb too high.

And I loved the posi burnouts my truck used to pull when I 1st started driving it. Nothing like holding a 4500 lbs truck at a 20 degree angle for 100 feet.... Sadly I can't ever get it to do a posi one much That, and don't care to tear up the new tires much.

[special-K]

Originally Posted by texanidiot25

Honestly, once you brake the tire(s) loose, there is less load on the drive train then there is when your accelerating.

When the tires loose traction, there is a ton less friction between the road and tire, hense why skidding and spinning tires is not the fastest way to stop and start. Once you initiate the burn out, you have less load on the drivetrain than you would accelerating with full traction. Also why car's tend to break parts on a launch, not the burn out.

This is why you can hit third gear at say, 25mph instead of 70mph, or what have you. With the lack of traction, thus less resistance to the drivetrain, everything can spin faster, easier, and thus, burn rubber.

The most stressful part is breaking traction, but if you get good, this takes nothing.

YouTube - CST10 Burnouts

The Fastest thing to wear is tires. The next is brakes. Watch your RPMs and don't get too excited, letting them climb too high.

And I loved the posi burnouts my truck used to pull when I 1st started driving it. Nothing like holding a 4500 lbs truck at a 20 degree angle for 100 feet.... Sadly I can't ever get it to do a posi one much That, and don't care to tear up the new tires much.

The problem is not once the wheels are spinning,obvious and agreed.The problem is before that when the motor/trans is trying to turn what you are holding back.Envision twisting when one end wants to go one speed and the other end is resisting.That is stress.That is where it is like accelerating...up a steep hill with a load of bricks.
The other stress is in the form of shock when dumping the clutch and all at once a motor turning 3,000 rpm connects to the tires,not only sitting still with a good part of a ton sitting on them,but being held by brakes.The splines,yokes,shafts,u-joints,gears,studs all take sress they are not intended to take.The biggest problem isn`t wear,it`s breakage.
There`s less stress if you had 500 hp and just hit it.All the stress is in that single moment when still becomes motion.The more hp the less resistance at the road.

[Hoffman65burb]

In my 89 sierra, we disconnected the rear brakes, plugged the brake lines, roasted off some tires we found in the back of our school's shop, great fun. There is this kid in my class, his parents bought him an 98 or so ranger, 6 cyl 5 speed 4x4, beutiful truck. he dumps the clutch all the time, brake stands everywhere, redlines every damn shift. Some times puts it in 4 high and trys to spin all 4 tires. So far he has blown his transfer case, both cv shafts, blew up his rear end going down the highway, clutch and flext plate just in peices, and had to replace his door since he hit a pole trying to drift it in 4 high. This is just an example of one of those kids that take what he has for granted. Hate to see that truck go to waste

[highperf4x4]

pppffffttt. It's all small stuff!

I did it the same way longhorn describes it. And I felt the need to do it as often as possible !!

You wanna talk about stress, we used to do the reverse slams in the automatics!!!!! Wind it up in reverse and then slam it in 1st with the pedal on the floor!!!! We had contests to see who could make the biggest checkmarks





We all had our own toolboxes and part supplies too..........................