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ihatericeburners · 04-30-2009, 06:28 PM

I bought the kit from Classic Auto Air, the Surefit system, they say it comes with everything you need except for the pulleys. So... I went today to the salvage yard looking for pulleys and couldn't seem to find one to work. I need a 3 groove crank pulley, and 2 groove water pump. I can't figure out why I have what I have on my truck. I hope one of you can tell me what I need and possibly what I have.

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ihatericeburners · 04-30-2009, 08:22 PM

REVISED:

If someone could tell me/show me with pictures, what the original pulleys look like off a factory air motor, so that i am able to try to locate what i need.

67ChevyRedneck · 04-30-2009, 08:38 PM

It looks like you already have the correct "inside" pulley on the crank. The lower crank pulley against the balancer should be a "double" as well and your double pulley will bolt inside of that. There is also a double fan pulley.

Hopefully someone can back me up on that... but here's a pic of mine (sorry it kinda sucks).

**truckdude239** · 04-30-2009, 08:39 PM

i've never seen that kind of set up right there maybe tell us what motor and year truck u have

Sinister · 04-30-2009, 08:42 PM

Here's mine, factory AC not hooked up. Your crank pulley looks right. Your brackets look haywire.

67ChevyRedneck · 04-30-2009, 08:44 PM

Found a better pic for you:

When I go to add my power steering someday, I'll have to buy the lower crank pulley that bolts inside the double crank pulley I already have. Hope this helps.

ihatericeburners · 04-30-2009, 09:10 PM

Thanks for the pictures guys, BUT i was looking at it more and if i were to get the 2 v groove water pump pulley then (yellow) then there is no pulley groove on th ecrank because of the gap (red).

So then where would i go from here?

ihatericeburners · 04-30-2009, 09:13 PM

Oh. And about the temp bracket its on just till i can figure out where the p/s pump will be. ( i should have blured it to save myself the embarrassement).

67ChevyRedneck · 04-30-2009, 09:33 PM

That's what I was saying you need a two groove crank pulley to fill that "red" space you drew.

big_al_71 · 04-30-2009, 09:50 PM

Cool I see you went with the classic auto air set up.....can't help you with the pulley I went with the march pulley set.

ihatericeburners · 04-30-2009, 09:59 PM

Ok. (tinking).

so, i would then have 2 up on the crank the gap and then the 2, and then have the last one blank. And i am going to be able to find this item because i havent jet although i really havent looked at the 2/2 set up.

ihatericeburners · 04-30-2009, 10:30 PM

Ya, I live an hour north of Tampa and they have a location there. they were going to ship it to my house for free but i need it here now. so i paid the difference and got it on a 2 day ride from texas. i had vintage in mind but when i called and talked to them thir coustermer service won me over. Also the fact that i was talking to them about the pulleys today for a good little while.

ihatericeburners · 04-30-2009, 10:33 PM

If i cant find the 2 groove can i mate 2 single grooves together? they have that shaft-centric/ interlocking thing going on with them though.

AustinScott · 04-30-2009, 10:52 PM

MY truck is an 68 AC truck long water pump, it has 3 groove water pump & crank pulley Maybe this would help.

ihatericeburners · 04-30-2009, 10:57 PM

"it has 3 groove water pump & crank pulley"

then the middle groove on the water pump is blank? Correct?

Wait. i have a short water pump. um...

AustinScott · 04-30-2009, 10:58 PM

[quote=ihatericeburners;3287231]

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinScott

it has 3 groove water pump & crank pulley

then the middle groove on the water pump is blank? Correct?

YES!, it connects to nothing, only the outer and inner groves on the water pump have belts

ihatericeburners · 04-30-2009, 11:03 PM

Thanks for the pictures and the info. I got to work in three hours so i got to pack this up and hit the hay.

**mr48chev** · 04-30-2009, 10:42 PM

Ok remember that you need pulleys for a short water pump setup. the pulleys off a later setup probably won't work.

I never throw a pulley away off anything I junk out and it has saved my tailfeathers more than once. I don't know if I have the proper pulleys to take photos of or measure though.

**mr48chev** · 04-30-2009, 11:01 PM

Transdapt shows black and chrome pulleys for short waterpumps with two grooves and the ac pulley for the crank.

http://www.tdperformance.com/

Page 74 in the 2007/2008 paper catalog on my lap.

Livrat · 04-30-2009, 11:09 PM

you need one that looks like this for the crank..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SMALL...Q5fAccessories

And one that looks like this for the water pump.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SMALL...Q5fAccessories

67ChevyRedneck · 04-30-2009, 11:09 PM

Jeez! How many different set ups did GM use???

**mr48chev** · 04-30-2009, 11:09 PM

You might check with these guys
AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEERING
5118 US Highway 19
New Port Richey, FL 34652-3942
(727) 848-8432 Phone
(727) 842-2477 Fax

They are supposed to be a dealer or check with ORiely auto parts especially if they are one of the speed parts stores.

ihatericeburners · 05-01-2009, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr48chev

You might check with these guys
AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEERING
5118 US Highway 19
New Port Richey, FL 34652-3942
(727) 848-8432 Phone
(727) 842-2477 Fax

They are supposed to be a dealer or check with ORiely auto parts especially if they are one of the speed parts stores.

I called them and they want to sell me a march set up Or a billet one. I cant spend that kind of coin on a set up and then need to replace the water pump to a long pmp. They just sell the catalog parts, they couldnt offer any troubleshooting/ penny poor guy out. BUT they were very nice and friendly!

67ChevyRedneck · 04-30-2009, 11:13 PM

^Those are what I have on my truck.

ihatericeburners · 05-01-2009, 08:34 PM

OK! i found a 3 groove water pump pulley (no pics of the pulley yet). it looks correct! the only problem is that the diamater is going from 6.6 to 5 inch.

Is this going to spped up my water pump too fast?

THANK YOU to all of you who helped me out!

04-30-2009, 06:28 PM	#1
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Pulleys, what is going on? I bought the kit from Classic Auto Air, the Surefit system, they say it comes with everything you need except for the pulleys. So... I went today to the salvage yard looking for pulleys and couldn't seem to find one to work. I need a 3 groove crank pulley, and 2 groove water pump. I can't figure out why I have what I have on my truck. I hope one of you can tell me what I need and possibly what I have. [Edited by Mod] ---------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by Richard8971; 04-30-2009 at 08:02 PM.

04-30-2009, 08:22 PM	#2
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? REVISED: If someone could tell me/show me with pictures, what the original pulleys look like off a factory air motor, so that i am able to try to locate what i need.

04-30-2009, 08:38 PM	#3
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? It looks like you already have the correct "inside" pulley on the crank. The lower crank pulley against the balancer should be a "double" as well and your double pulley will bolt inside of that. There is also a double fan pulley. Hopefully someone can back me up on that... but here's a pic of mine (sorry it kinda sucks). __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications! Last edited by 67ChevyRedneck; 04-30-2009 at 08:42 PM.

04-30-2009, 08:39 PM	#4
truckdude239 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lewisville, Nc Posts: 10,237	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? i've never seen that kind of set up right there maybe tell us what motor and year truck u have __________________ David fuller Ase Certified Mechanic Click here to help support our board!! 1971 Chevy c-10 under going a 4.8l LSx swap Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=421305 2007 Honda Accord my daily 145kmiles 2002 Honda Accord 4 door With 330k(sisters car) 2005 toyota Avalon 228k( brothers car) 2002 Sububran 5.3 245k 2000 Tahoe 5.3l 378 General manager for Marco's Carwash & lube

04-30-2009, 08:42 PM	#5
Sinister Between Trucks... Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA. Posts: 3,830	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Here's mine, factory AC not hooked up. Your crank pulley looks right. Your brackets look haywire. __________________ Beat it to fit, Paint it to match...

04-30-2009, 08:44 PM	#6
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Found a better pic for you: When I go to add my power steering someday, I'll have to buy the lower crank pulley that bolts inside the double crank pulley I already have. Hope this helps. __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

04-30-2009, 09:10 PM	#7
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Thanks for the pictures guys, BUT i was looking at it more and if i were to get the 2 v groove water pump pulley then (yellow) then there is no pulley groove on th ecrank because of the gap (red). So then where would i go from here?

04-30-2009, 09:13 PM	#8
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Oh. And about the temp bracket its on just till i can figure out where the p/s pump will be. ( i should have blured it to save myself the embarrassement).

04-30-2009, 09:33 PM	#9
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? That's what I was saying you need a two groove crank pulley to fill that "red" space you drew. __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

04-30-2009, 09:50 PM	#10
big_al_71 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Florida Posts: 11,375	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Cool I see you went with the classic auto air set up.....can't help you with the pulley I went with the march pulley set. __________________ Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please!!!!!. Sylvester's build thread >>>http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...ht=big+rebuild Last edited by big_al_71; 04-30-2009 at 09:55 PM.

04-30-2009, 09:59 PM	#11
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Ok. (tinking). so, i would then have 2 up on the crank the gap and then the 2, and then have the last one blank. And i am going to be able to find this item because i havent jet although i really havent looked at the 2/2 set up.

04-30-2009, 10:30 PM	#12
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Ya, I live an hour north of Tampa and they have a location there. they were going to ship it to my house for free but i need it here now. so i paid the difference and got it on a 2 day ride from texas. i had vintage in mind but when i called and talked to them thir coustermer service won me over. Also the fact that i was talking to them about the pulleys today for a good little while.

04-30-2009, 10:33 PM	#13
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? If i cant find the 2 groove can i mate 2 single grooves together? they have that shaft-centric/ interlocking thing going on with them though.

04-30-2009, 10:52 PM	#14
AustinScott Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Southington CT Posts: 548	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? MY truck is an 68 AC truck long water pump, it has 3 groove water pump & crank pulley Maybe this would help. Last edited by AustinScott; 04-30-2009 at 10:53 PM. Reason: added water pump info

04-30-2009, 10:57 PM	#15
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? "it has 3 groove water pump & crank pulley" then the middle groove on the water pump is blank? Correct? Wait. i have a short water pump. um... Last edited by ihatericeburners; 04-30-2009 at 10:59 PM. Reason: new info on above pic



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04-30-2009, 11:03 PM	#17
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Thanks for the pictures and the info. I got to work in three hours so i got to pack this up and hit the hay.

04-30-2009, 10:42 PM	#18
mr48chev Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toppenish, WA Posts: 15,705	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Ok remember that you need pulleys for a short water pump setup. the pulleys off a later setup probably won't work. I never throw a pulley away off anything I junk out and it has saved my tailfeathers more than once. I don't know if I have the proper pulleys to take photos of or measure though.

04-30-2009, 11:01 PM	#19
mr48chev Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toppenish, WA Posts: 15,705	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Transdapt shows black and chrome pulleys for short waterpumps with two grooves and the ac pulley for the crank. http://www.tdperformance.com/ Page 74 in the 2007/2008 paper catalog on my lap.

04-30-2009, 11:09 PM	#20
Livrat Member #1049 Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Troy Montana Posts: 3,940	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? you need one that looks like this for the crank.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SMALL...Q5fAccessories And one that looks like this for the water pump. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SMALL...Q5fAccessories

04-30-2009, 11:09 PM	#21
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Jeez! How many different set ups did GM use??? __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

04-30-2009, 11:13 PM	#24
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? ^Those are what I have on my truck. __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

05-01-2009, 08:34 PM	#25
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? OK! i found a 3 groove water pump pulley (no pics of the pulley yet). it looks correct! the only problem is that the diamater is going from 6.6 to 5 inch. Is this going to spped up my water pump too fast? THANK YOU to all of you who helped me out! Last edited by ihatericeburners; 05-01-2009 at 08:35 PM. Reason: photo wasnt linked

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