dana 44 and a 205 transfer case

[mr and my 409]

how much is a dana 44 and a 205 transfer case off of a 1969 gmc 4 wheel drive pick up worth???

[67ZL1]

Not sure on the 44, but for the 205 I wouldn't pay anything over 2-3 hundred. The 205's are tough and reliable but cost lots to fix. I'm in the process of rebuilding mine and I'm into it for over a grand.

[justcuz]

If it were me I would get an NP 241 out of a later model Chevy. They have a passenger side drop, are light stong, cheap and plentiful. Plus the NP 241 has a 2.72 low range. GM transmissions only have 2 spline counts on the later ones 27 splines on the 350 and OD &00R4 and 4L60E transmissions and 32 splines on the 4spd manual and 400 turbo and 4L80E. You can change the output on a 465 4 spd to a 32 spline from the old 10 spline pattern.

[Blazer1970]

Originally Posted by justcuz

If it were me I would get an NP 241 out of a later model Chevy. They have a passenger side drop, are light stong, cheap and plentiful. Plus the NP 241 has a 2.72 low range. GM transmissions only have 2 spline counts on the later ones 27 splines on the 350 and OD &00R4 and 4L60E transmissions and 32 splines on the 4spd manual and 400 turbo and 4L80E. You can change the output on a 465 4 spd to a 32 spline from the old 10 spline pattern.

Passenger drop 241s are anything but plentiful. They only started using the 241 in 1988 so the only passenger drop models are the ones that were used in Blazers/Jimmys and Suburbans from '88 - '91. Of those, the ones used in '90 and '91 use a speed sensor instead of a mechanical speedo drive.

[justcuz]

Originally Posted by Blazer1970

Passenger drop 241s are anything but plentiful. They only started using the 241 in 1988 so the only passenger drop models are the ones that were used in Blazers/Jimmys and Suburbans from '88 - '91. Of those, the ones used in '90 and '91 use a speed sensor instead of a mechanical speedo drive.

They may not be plentiful in Michigan, they are already 20 years old, not many trucks last that long there. Here in California we trip over them in wrecking yards. My guess would be anywhere out of the rust belt they are easy to find.
Most guys who are upgrading are going the 203/205 doubler and Dana 60 rear end for durability. That doubler is over 200 lbs, a 203 is 200 lbs by itself. an NP 241 weighs 80 lbs and is strong enough for GM to install behind big blocks and diesels. For my money and the kind of 4 wheeling I do the 241 is perfect. I have a 700R4/NP241, driveshafts and a complete 27 spline 203 in the back of my truck now I got for free, just for helping a guy install a turbo 400 and a 203/205 doubler in his Blazer.
Out west the 203/205 and Dana 60 front axles are the stuff that commands premium prices. The HD 44 front axles you can get for free a lot of times and never pay more than 100 dollars for one. Same with the 241, cheap, cheap, cheap.
I am taking the 700R4/241 and installing it in my 1976 3/4 ton 4x4. It will replace a 350/203.
I don't know where Mogadore is in Ohio, I grew up in Toledo. If you are in southern Ohio it may be easier to find.

[Blazer1970]

Originally Posted by 67ZL1

Not sure on the 44, but for the 205 I wouldn't pay anything over 2-3 hundred. The 205's are tough and reliable but cost lots to fix. I'm in the process of rebuilding mine and I'm into it for over a grand.

I can't even begin to fathom how you could put over 1K into a 205.

[Skirkpat]

since gas prices jumped the "old" 4x4 stuff has dipped in value, I see 205's going for a couple hundred everytime I look, The D44 is is not really sought after anymore, most wheelers have a couple taking up space from there D66 swaps. I would say a hundred on one is a fair price?

I just bought a complete Suburban frame, 350 SBC/turbo 350, 305 TC, D44/12 bolt, 4 almost new 31/10.5 tires, and a body with title to scrap,with a ton of parts for 500.oo.

I sold a 69 3/4 ton running gear 4.11's ,305 Tc, 4 speed, and stripped junk cab for 600.oo last summer?

[67ZL1]

Originally Posted by Blazer1970

I can't even begin to fathom how you could put over 1K into a 205.

Bearing & Gasket kit - 150.00
27 Spline input shaft - 145.00
Updated rear output shaft - 210.00
TH350 adapter plate - 100.00 (old one was cracked)
Shift forks X2 - 75.00 ea.
Shift collars X2 - 50.00 ea.

I thought hell while I'm at it I might as well as convert the front output to a 30 spline, seeing how the 10 spline will be the weak link now.

27 Spline adapter between the tranny & t-case - 115.00
I think the rest was spent on MGD

[dazza]

Originally Posted by 67ZL1

Bearing & Gasket kit - 150.00
27 Spline input shaft - 145.00
Updated rear output shaft - 210.00
TH350 adapter plate - 100.00 (old one was cracked)
Shift forks X2 - 75.00 ea.
Shift collars X2 - 50.00 ea.

I thought hell while I'm at it I might as well as convert the front output to a 30 spline, seeing how the 10 spline will be the weak link now.

27 Spline adapter between the tranny & t-case - 115.00
I think the rest was spent on MGD

Just want to mention the following so the $1000. (actually $970.) rebuild price doesn't scare you away, it can be done for waaaay less...

In reality, if you're not converting;

Bearing & Gasket kit - 150.00 <-this should be all you need
27 Spline input shaft - 145.00 <- not needed
Updated rear output shaft - 210.00 <- not needed
TH350 adapter plate - 100.00 (old one was cracked) <- not needed
Shift forks X2 - 75.00 ea. <- not needed unless they're damaged
Shift collars X2 - 50.00 ea.<- not needed unless they're damaged
27 Spline adapter between the tranny & t-case - 115.00<- not needed

Standard rebuild parts costs (IMO) --> $150.
If you need the forks and collars --> add $250.
If you want to convert to 27 spline --> add $570

I did find my adapter's coupler sleeve was damaged, that ran me an extra 90. bucks... so $250. out the door for me.

[WyoRoadDog]

Ahhhh, the real "nuts and bolts" of the cost!

Originally Posted by 67ZL1

I think the rest was spent on MGD

[dazza]

Originally Posted by WyoRoadDog

Ahhhh, the real "nuts and bolts" of the cost!

Originally Posted by 67ZL1 View Post
I think the rest was spent on MGD

So THAT'S what pushed you over the $1k mark!

[Eturnit3]

wiw 1st post!! nice!!!

[whiskeydented]

You can get 205's for about 100 bucks at the swap meets around here. I would much rather have a 205 than a 241, but to each his own.

[duallyjams]

69 came with closed knuckle d44 with drum brakes and rockwell t case. 205 were not used untill 1970.Location location location on wiw.

[OLDCHEV4X4]

Originally Posted by duallyjams

69 came with closed knuckle d44 with drum brakes and rockwell t case. 205 were not used untill 1970.Location location location on wiw.

He's exactly right.

[Skirkpat]

My 69 had Disc brake big hub D44 8 lug, and a 205, Remember very few trucks are stock now after 40 years,

[Blazer1970]

I think '69 was a split year for the front axles and t-cases. I know for sure that '69 Blazers (mid-year introduction) came with open knuckle drum brake front axles and NP205s. No closed knuckle axle or Rockwell case ever came in a Blazer.

[mr and my 409]

yea im not exactly sure what the transfer case is... ill take a picture and post it

[ghettoluxury]

Here in The Buckeye State there not worth mutch. Your very lucky to get $100 out of a 44 with discs and the NP205 about $200 but only if it's a 32 spline!

[Yukon Jack]

Assuming it is the closed knuckle Dana 44 that is pretty worthless. Anyone wanting to buy a Dana 44 will want an open knuckle with disk brakes. The closed knuckle has a terrible turning radius compared to the open knuckle axle.

Assuming it has the Rockwell transfer case that is probably worth a bit to someone who has damaged their Rockwell and want to stay stock for an easy swap. I'd say it is worth $100 to $200 to the right buyer.

Here is what a Rockwell looks like



And here is what a closed knuckle axle looks like

[justcuz]

That one is married to the trans right? I think they only did that for a year or two with the Rockwell. Since the Rockwell is not that desireable, it may not be worth much, but to a purist restoration guy that is gold right there!

Anybody know for sure what 67-69 t-case setups were? My recollection is prior to 67 all were divorced and Rockwells. 67-69 used a few different t-cases, Dana 20's, Rockwells and 205's as I recall some married, some divorced. After 1969 (starting 70 model year) all were married and either 205's or 203's.

I ask because I recall a 1967 1/2ton 4x4 we had on base in 1972/73 that had a 6,3spd. and a divorced Dana 20 in it. We used it (mainly) to tow those big purple K extinguishers back and forth to the flight line.

Too bad rockwell did not design the rear output to come out of the top, instead of the bottom. The rear driveshaft was always too low in my opinion.

[mr and my 409]

its an open knuckle axle and it is definatly a np 205

[msgross]

Are you trying to sell these items?

If so then I suggest that you become a paid subscriber to the board in order to post it.

[mr and my 409]

i mean i will sell them but ill probably end up putting it on craigs list... its a whole truck with a clean title

[padresag]

205's were not produced until 69
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