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Collisionstudent · 10-23-2009, 01:22 AM

Hello My name is Steven and I really need all of your help. I'm going to school for Collision and we are working on a 72 GMC truck. The truck as been there longer then any student there and the teacher did not watch the tear down of the truck.

If you could I need all the diagrams for how the body goes back together. Pics would work as well and when I do a search for what Im looking for I cant find it. We did get the cab mounts figured out from this site (with the help of pics the new ones did not come with a diagram).

We are trying to get the front fenders on and wheel wells. All of the front is aftermarket stuff if you had to do things to them that would be helpfull as well. What we really need is good pics of the wheel wells mounted up how they are mounted things like that.

I also looked at the project logs and post. Found some nice trucks and just so you dont get mad thinking why should I help this guy out he does not even own the truck. I plan to one day my wife wants a early 50's and I would love to have a 68. When I get done with school and start making money I plan to buy one. So any thing I learn about these trucks now will just help me down the road.
Thanks
Steven

JimKshortstep4x4 · 10-23-2009, 05:37 AM

Steven,

Welcome to the 67-72 Chevy Truck Board from West Michigan!

The folks on this site are very helpful and it does not matter if you own a truck or not.

My suggestion would be to get an Assembly Manual as it will be very helpful. Check with the member vendors.

Also, there have been tons of pictures posted on this site so looking at old posts can be worthwhile.

Good luck in your project.

Jim

PanelDeland · 10-23-2009, 05:54 AM

Steven,Welcome.There are really two areas of the board that should be very helpful.The FAQ's index(compiled by member "krue") will have tons of info indexed by topic.The other great feature is the search.You can look at the top of the page for it.Of course the body and paint section will probably intrest you also.Those areas should get you started,then just post up here with any specific questions and someone will try to answer.
As Jim said a factory assembly manual will help a lot.I'm assuming the instructor does know more than he's letting on,but part of what you are learning is to do the research.These trucks are dead simple but do have a few quirks.Good luck and post pics of your progress "We's pic ho's here!"

jamesi20 · 10-23-2009, 08:01 AM

You might want to look at this catalog also as it contains some very good photos. http://www.lmctruck.com/

**LockDoc** · 10-23-2009, 12:21 PM

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As far as the front end goes the inner panels go in last. Do not tighten up any of the bolts until you have them all started. You will have to line up some of the holes with a punch or similar tool to be able to get the bolts in. If you do not have the heater box and blower motor mounted to the outside of the firewall that has to be done before the inner panels are installed.
The assembly manual would be great but they are kind of expensive. The LMC catalog is a good source of info and would probably help a lot.

LockDoc

rambler · 10-23-2009, 04:37 PM

welcome to the board, all the above are excellent suggestions, also check out the build sections, as there are great rides there to compare, and of course, post some pics of the parts, and if you get stuck, many of us will jump in and offer advice. also post of the regional page, you may even luck out and have a board member ( or members) stop by and give you a hand!

unclewatts · 10-24-2009, 04:35 AM

I think that everyone here has already given you all the advice you'll need so I just want to say

to the board from Lake County California!

Collisionstudent · 10-24-2009, 08:22 PM

Yep so far might be back with more. Well I do have one more is it better to put the doors on first then fenders or does it matter I feel before fenders.

Thanks
Steven

MT71c-10 · 10-24-2009, 09:23 PM

That LMC catalog has helped me take things apart, put others back together, and figure out how things work. Great garage book.

It may help to get the doors square 1st, then hang fenders. It will save time aligning everything.

I don't think it would matter if you hung doors 1st or fenders, that cab is solid, if you hang fenders 1st, it's not going to pull anything out of square.

My vote doors 1st.

67ChevyRedneck · 10-25-2009, 12:28 AM

You want to align your doors first. You can't adjust the hinges (at least not easily) with the fenders on. Get the doors gapped and square with the back of the cab and the rocker (remove the door strikers until the door is gapped, then install the strikers). I then hang my outer fenders and align them with the doors. I then install the grill, then you can get the hood on and loosely aligned with the fenders and grill, then I install the cowl, then you can do your final alignment with the hood. You may have to go back and adjust areas if need be. Inner fenders should be last. I loosely bolt them on, then snug them up around the wheel well, then snug up the other bolts.

A couple notes of caution... The aftermarket stuff in general does not fit "out of the box." On my truck I had to enlarge some holes, some a good bit, to get a good fit from my fenders. The factory also used body shims to push fenders, etc, out for alignment. It's a pain in the butt and time consuming, but if I could get a nice alignment on my truck, anyone can do it.

oldcarfart · 10-24-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Collisionstudent

Yep so far might be back with more. Well I do have one more is it better to put the doors on first then fenders or does it matter I feel before fenders.

Thanks
Steven

I do the cab and doors first (shim cab to frame for door gaps, etc) then hood (gap to cowl), then fenders gap to hood and cab) and you can use a "yardstick" or paint stir sticks for gap "go/no go" gauging. Good Luck!

*Fitz* · 10-24-2009, 11:38 PM

The factory assembly manual is still available. Try Motorbooks.com

*highperf4x4* · 10-25-2009, 12:10 AM

Factory Assmbly manual 40.00

Shop Manual 25.00

http://www.heavychevy.com/html/manuals.html

10-23-2009, 01:22 AM	#1
Collisionstudent Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lexington Tn Posts: 3	In need of help Hello My name is Steven and I really need all of your help. I'm going to school for Collision and we are working on a 72 GMC truck. The truck as been there longer then any student there and the teacher did not watch the tear down of the truck. If you could I need all the diagrams for how the body goes back together. Pics would work as well and when I do a search for what Im looking for I cant find it. We did get the cab mounts figured out from this site (with the help of pics the new ones did not come with a diagram). We are trying to get the front fenders on and wheel wells. All of the front is aftermarket stuff if you had to do things to them that would be helpfull as well. What we really need is good pics of the wheel wells mounted up how they are mounted things like that. I also looked at the project logs and post. Found some nice trucks and just so you dont get mad thinking why should I help this guy out he does not even own the truck. I plan to one day my wife wants a early 50's and I would love to have a 68. When I get done with school and start making money I plan to buy one. So any thing I learn about these trucks now will just help me down the road. Thanks Steven

10-23-2009, 05:37 AM	#2
JimKshortstep4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Muskegon,MI,USA Posts: 6,026	Re: In need of help Steven, Welcome to the 67-72 Chevy Truck Board from West Michigan! The folks on this site are very helpful and it does not matter if you own a truck or not. My suggestion would be to get an Assembly Manual as it will be very helpful. Check with the member vendors. Also, there have been tons of pictures posted on this site so looking at old posts can be worthwhile. Good luck in your project. Jim __________________ 1971 Shortbox step side 4x4, 350 sbc, 3:07 rear end 1965 Impala SS 400 sbc, Muncie rock crusher 1966 Impala SS 396 bbc, TH 400 1969 El Camino, 350 sbc, TH 350 1971 Snowplow built on a Blazer frame 1972 GMC Short bed, stepside, TH 400, 427 BBC

10-23-2009, 05:54 AM	#3
PanelDeland I am a Referee of life. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Greensboro N.C. Posts: 13,992	Re: In need of help Steven,Welcome.There are really two areas of the board that should be very helpful.The FAQ's index(compiled by member "krue") will have tons of info indexed by topic.The other great feature is the search.You can look at the top of the page for it.Of course the body and paint section will probably intrest you also.Those areas should get you started,then just post up here with any specific questions and someone will try to answer. As Jim said a factory assembly manual will help a lot.I'm assuming the instructor does know more than he's letting on,but part of what you are learning is to do the research.These trucks are dead simple but do have a few quirks.Good luck and post pics of your progress "We's pic ho's here!" __________________ The 47-present Chevrolet and GMC Truck Message Board Network,it's owners,moderators,members,and associates of any type should not be held responsible for my opinion. You can't fix stupid,not even with duct tape. "My appearance is due to the fact that "GOD" does punish you for having too much fun!" Barrett-Jackson has perfected alchemy,they make rust into gold! "You can lead a horse to water but you can't saddle a duck" "Cleverly disguised as a 'Responsible Adult' "Sometimes your Knight in shining armor is just a retard in tinfoil" Last edited by PanelDeland; 10-23-2009 at 05:55 AM.

10-23-2009, 08:01 AM	#4
jamesi20 Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NORTHEAST OHIO Posts: 493	Re: In need of help You might want to look at this catalog also as it contains some very good photos. http://www.lmctruck.com/

10-23-2009, 12:21 PM	#5
LockDoc The Older Generation Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Posts: 25,772	Re: In need of help - As far as the front end goes the inner panels go in last. Do not tighten up any of the bolts until you have them all started. You will have to line up some of the holes with a punch or similar tool to be able to get the bolts in. If you do not have the heater box and blower motor mounted to the outside of the firewall that has to be done before the inner panels are installed. The assembly manual would be great but they are kind of expensive. The LMC catalog is a good source of info and would probably help a lot. LockDoc __________________ Leon Locksmith, Specializing In Antique Trucks, Automobiles, & Motorcycles (My Dually Pickup Project Thread) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=829820 -

10-23-2009, 04:37 PM	#6
rambler MOVE OVER Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Warrensburg, MO Posts: 5,470	Re: In need of help welcome to the board, all the above are excellent suggestions, also check out the build sections, as there are great rides there to compare, and of course, post some pics of the parts, and if you get stuck, many of us will jump in and offer advice. also post of the regional page, you may even luck out and have a board member ( or members) stop by and give you a hand! __________________ No matter where you are..... There you are... Buckaroo Banzi

10-24-2009, 04:35 AM	#7
unclewatts 70 Chevrolet=Obsession Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: nice ca Posts: 1,067	Re: In need of help I think that everyone here has already given you all the advice you'll need so I just want to say to the board from Lake County California! __________________ I'm Just like my truck. Old, Ugly and Grouchy. Except my truck starts easily in the morning and doesn't smoke! IT'S NOT EASY BEING GREEN! -Kermit the frog 1970 Chevrolet C-10 Longbed Stepside : 350, Muncie M20, 3.08 GM corp. positraction Forest green exterior/light green interior(Where all my money goes) 1996 Toyota Corolla (Parts runner)

10-24-2009, 08:22 PM	#8
Collisionstudent Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lexington Tn Posts: 3	Re: In need of help Yep so far might be back with more. Well I do have one more is it better to put the doors on first then fenders or does it matter I feel before fenders. Thanks Steven

10-24-2009, 09:23 PM	#9
MT71c-10 Too many toys,not enough money Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bozeman,MT Posts: 237	Re: In need of help That LMC catalog has helped me take things apart, put others back together, and figure out how things work. Great garage book. It may help to get the doors square 1st, then hang fenders. It will save time aligning everything. I don't think it would matter if you hung doors 1st or fenders, that cab is solid, if you hang fenders 1st, it's not going to pull anything out of square. My vote doors 1st. Last edited by MT71c-10; 10-24-2009 at 09:27 PM.

10-25-2009, 12:28 AM	#10
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: In need of help You want to align your doors first. You can't adjust the hinges (at least not easily) with the fenders on. Get the doors gapped and square with the back of the cab and the rocker (remove the door strikers until the door is gapped, then install the strikers). I then hang my outer fenders and align them with the doors. I then install the grill, then you can get the hood on and loosely aligned with the fenders and grill, then I install the cowl, then you can do your final alignment with the hood. You may have to go back and adjust areas if need be. Inner fenders should be last. I loosely bolt them on, then snug them up around the wheel well, then snug up the other bolts. A couple notes of caution... The aftermarket stuff in general does not fit "out of the box." On my truck I had to enlarge some holes, some a good bit, to get a good fit from my fenders. The factory also used body shims to push fenders, etc, out for alignment. It's a pain in the butt and time consuming, but if I could get a nice alignment on my truck, anyone can do it. __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications! Last edited by 67ChevyRedneck; 10-25-2009 at 12:28 AM.

10-24-2009, 11:38 PM	#12
Fitz Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tucson Posts: 2,183	Re: In need of help The factory assembly manual is still available. Try Motorbooks.com Attached Images

10-25-2009, 12:10 AM	#13
highperf4x4 Account Suspended Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 4,709	Re: In need of help Factory Assmbly manual 40.00 Shop Manual 25.00 http://www.heavychevy.com/html/manuals.html Last edited by highperf4x4; 10-25-2009 at 12:11 AM.



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