292 engine to a 283 setup

[supersean1967]

would swapping my 292 for a 283 be worth it and would this be an easy swap i already have a 283 i took from a 56 belair and it is just sitting around would i be able to just bolt this in to my original bellhousing and 3 speed tranny...

very new to this

['72customdeluxe]

Yes, yes, and I'm not sure about the trans. An all factory parts swap
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[raycow]

If the engine came out of a 56 car, make sure it has holes for side mounts. You will need to replace the the passenger side frame bracket and relocate it to the rear set of holes. Your 292 bellhousing and flywheel will bolt up.

Ray

[llowlife]

283 clutch bellcrank hole tapped and same size bellcrank?

[71swb4x4]

What are you looking to gain? If there isn't anything wrong with the 292 it's a stout engine with a lot of power.

[LostMy65]

I'm thinking of doing the same thing.

Swapping out the 292 in a 66 Chevy with a 65 283.
The 292 is cracked but runs.

Can any older model 283, 327, or 350 bolt up to the bellhousing that is presently connected to my 292?

[padresag]

Originally Posted by supersean1967

would swapping my 292 for a 283 be worth it and would this be an easy swap i already have a 283 i took from a 56 belair and it is just sitting around would i be able to just bolt this in to my original bellhousing and 3 speed tranny...

very new to this

they didn't have 283's in 55(265 cu"),but it may have been transplanted, which 50+ years anything can happen. those early motors mounted from the frt of the eng and didn't have the provision in the side of the block for side mounts. if it has the 3 bolt mounting pattern on the side you will have no problem. as Ray says you will need a passenger side frame tower from a 230-250 or 283 eng. the 292 was a different tower. http://www.persh.org/pickup/IdeaPage.htm. check this link. the pics will show you the difference.
the z bar are the same for both engs but you will need to acquire a threaded ball stud for the v8. you can buy those new. the 292 has a brkt w/welded ballstud which attaches to the block. besides the b/housing interchanging so will the flywheel from the 230-250-292 and 283
ron

[LostMy65]

Is the Flywheel the same on the 292 as for a small block V8?
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[raycow]

Originally Posted by LostMy65

Is the Flywheel the same on the 292 as for a small block V8?

I have read that some 292 cranks/flywheels were drilled for 1/2" (instead of 7/16") bolts, but I have never actually found one like this. Apart from that, the 292 flywheel is the same as the pre-86 V-8 (two-piece seal).

Ray

[LostMy65]

Originally Posted by raycow

I have read that some 292 cranks/flywheels were drilled for 1/2" (instead of 7/16") bolts, but I have never actually found one like this. Apart from that, the 292 flywheel is the same as the pre-86 V-8 (two-piece seal).

Ray

Isn't it ironic?
I just happen to have a 292 with the 1/2" Flywheel mounting bolts.
I'll take some pics and post them here.

[raycow]

LostMy65, could you please look at the starter mounting holes on your 292 and see if it has 2 holes or 3? And, if it has only 2 holes, are they straight across from each other or staggered? Thank you.

Ray

[LostMy65]

Thanks Ray
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[72freak]

The bellhousing should be the same.....however when you drop that V-8 in the hole and bolt it to the 3 speed transmission it is going to sit back about ????5??? inches and the distrubutor will be right on the firewall and you will have to lengthen your radiator hoses and the fan will sit back and in my opinion it does not look good. To do it correctly you need to move the tranny forward and lengthen your driveshaft and move the x-member that is rivited in.

[Jacfourteen]

Originally Posted by 72freak

The bellhousing should be the same.....however when you drop that V-8 in the hole and bolt it to the 3 speed transmission it is going to sit back about ????5??? inches and the distrubutor will be right on the firewall and you will have to lengthen your radiator hoses and the fan will sit back and in my opinion it does not look good. To do it correctly you need to move the tranny forward and lengthen your driveshaft and move the x-member that is rivited in.

Mine is mounted in the rear holes (350 mounted with I6 towers). You can still get the dizzy in and out, but it is close (prolly could even use an HEI). To adress the fan and hose issues you can use the upper rad hose and the fan shroud out of a 4WD, since they sit back too. Here are some pics of mine so you can see what it looks like

[LostMy65]

does anyone know which engine weighs more; the 292 or V8 350?

Thanks
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[raycow]

Originally Posted by LostMy65

does anyone know which engine weighs more; the 292 or V8 350?

I see that nobody answered your question from a month ago. The 230/250 engines weigh about 450 pounds fully dressed. The 292 weighs somewhat more than those because of the taller block, but I would still expect it to weigh less than a SB.

Ray

[LostMy65]

Thanks.

Here's the 292 Flywheel with the 1/2" mounting bolts.
It does have 168 teeth, and is 14" dia. standard.

[LostMy65]

Flywheel Bolt Size Difference:
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Starter Mounting Bolt Holes:
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292 Crank:
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Numbers on Block ( '13' at left of freeze plug and 1970 at right of freeze plug):
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[LostMy65]

it appears that I can use either starter.
Either the one that bolts to the V8 block, or the one the uses three bolts to the bellhousing.

[raycow]

LostMy65, thank you for posting the pics. I probably should have asked that question in a better way. What I meant was the starter mounting holes on the 292 block.

Ray

[LostMy65]

I'll have to dbl check, but I don't remember starter mounting holes on the 292 block.
The starter for the 292 was mounted to the bellhousing.

[raycow]

The starter bolts to the bellhousing on manual transmissions, but on automatics it bolts to the block.

Ray

[LostMy65]

Originally Posted by LostMy65

Is the Flywheel the same on the 292 as for a small block V8?
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Originally Posted by raycow

I have read that some 292 cranks/flywheels were drilled for 1/2" (instead of 7/16") bolts, but I have never actually found one like this. Apart from that, the 292 flywheel is the same as the pre-86 V-8 (two-piece seal).

Ray

Originally Posted by raycow

LostMy65, thank you for posting the pics. I probably should have asked that question in a better way. What I meant was the starter mounting holes on the 292 block.

Ray

Originally Posted by raycow

The starter bolts to the bellhousing on manual transmissions, but on automatics it bolts to the block.

Ray

I guess I'm confused then.
I thought we were talking about flywheels being the same on a 292 as a V8.
You mentioned that you heard of some flywheels having the larger 1/2" mounting bolts, but never saw one yourself.
I posted pics showing I just happen to have one.
You then asked about holes for mounting the starter.
I don't think we ever were talking about auto trans.
My 292 with a manual tran has the starter mounted to the bellhousing.

If there is any other pics you'd like me to provide, I can post those tomorrow.

[LostMy65]

Okay, I think I see what you mean now.
This thread: http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=362440
is on the subject regarding my question on using either starter.
It appears I can use either starter with my V8, but the bellhousing would have to be modified to use the starter that bolts to the block.

[raycow]

Sorry to be causing so much trouble. My interest is in seeing the starter mounting holes on your block, or at least to find out if it has 2 holes or 3. This is on the block, not the bellhousing. I understand that you aren't using those holes for your application, but the engine should still have them.

I am trying to put together a starter/flywheel combination for an application that does not have mounting holes in the bellhousing, and I need to find out if the engines with 1/2" flywheel mounting holes are drilled differently from the ones with 7/16" holes. Thank you for your help with this.

Ray