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hdandd · 01-13-2011, 07:41 PM

It cranked right up Tuesday but wont crank now. I tried charging the battery that didn't work. I put gas in the carb and nuthin, I looked in the plugs and nuthin, Please somebody help..

hotrodhomi · 01-13-2011, 07:49 PM

if it doesn't crank, all the gas in the world will not help. If you know the battery is good, check the connections at the battery and the starter. Do you hear any clicks or anything at all. Do you have a DMM? If not, you should buy one. It can make electrical troubleshooting much easier.

hdandd · 01-13-2011, 07:53 PM

The starter connection is good, it tries to crank but no cigar

sjarrett71 · 01-13-2011, 08:02 PM

What do you mean it tries to crank? Will the engine turn over when you turn the key? Or will it do nothing when you turn the key?

cdowns · 01-13-2011, 08:03 PM

not turn over means that the engine does not rotate

or do you mean the engine turns over and does not start

hdandd · 01-13-2011, 09:22 PM

sorry.. turns over but does not start.

4LUG39 · 01-13-2011, 09:28 PM

Air,fuel,fire. Are you getting any spark?

hdandd · 01-13-2011, 09:40 PM

I took a plug wire off and saw spark. It has fuel, and as for air it's cold as all get out here.

Willys47 · 01-13-2011, 09:59 PM

if you have points check them and make sure there is a good spark. keep it simple air fuel and spark if it just ran the other day it should be close to running again I would think.

4LUG39 · 01-13-2011, 09:59 PM

Are you getting 12 Volts to the Dist? What color is the spark? Blue or orange?

MattyBs71 · 01-15-2011, 04:13 PM

Electric choke? If so I have had the hot wire come undone for the choke and the ***** did not want to start one cold morning. I was tearing my hair out and looked under dash and saw the choke wire undone. Plugged it in and whamo blum blum blum blum blum away we go!

hdandd · 01-15-2011, 04:15 PM

Nope Manuel choke, could it be the coil?

whitesswj · 01-15-2011, 05:28 PM

I'm going to mention something many look over.
Take the module out of the HEI and take it to Autozone and have them test it. I bet it's went out on you.
Take the coil with you and have them test it.

To check the chain just pull the dist and turn it over. If the dizzy is turning then the cam is turning and the chain is turning it. It may be out of time. Check that.
It sounds to me like it may be a Fire issue so keep looking there.
To check for 12V at the dizzy pull the wire to it and put a voltmeter on it with the key in the ON position.

463 · 01-15-2011, 05:56 PM

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=440715 go to post #8 there is a pic

hdandd · 01-15-2011, 06:32 PM

I tried holding the gas down for a while.
I just got back from having the module tested.
I'm checking the coil now.
it acts kinda of like one cylinder fires but none of the others...
So cap and rotor maybe?

whitesswj · 01-15-2011, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hdandd

I tried holding the gas down for a while.
I just got back from having the module tested.
I'm checking the coil now.
it acts kinda of like one cylinder fires but none of the others...
So cap and rotor maybe?

So I'm guessing the Module was ok? Coil?

hdandd · 01-15-2011, 07:10 PM

Coil is good..

Any other ideas?

c10chevy69 · 01-15-2011, 07:24 PM

Do you have another module or distributor to try in it? I had the same problem awhile ago. I got a couple of distributors from a guy selling used parts and it fired right up. Never changed the module just changed out the whole thing. I also when and had my module tested and they said it was fine. Good luck and keep us posted.

hdandd · 01-15-2011, 07:23 PM

Next idea?

hdandd · 01-15-2011, 09:53 PM

i guess change the distributer?

whitesswj · 01-15-2011, 10:40 PM

Is the dizzy turning???
I had a very similar problem not a few weeks ago and it was timing!
Check the timing. Maybe the dizzy moved a bit and now it's out of time.

richards72chevy · 01-15-2011, 11:25 PM

Have you tried charging the battery?My 72 was turning over showing a lite blue spark but not starting put the battery on a trickle charger then it started.

kevmic28 · 01-15-2011, 11:48 PM

I had an issue last month where mine would turn over but a little slower than normal but not start. Turned out to be a bad starter. The starter was pulling to much power draining all available power.
Have you tried jump starting it off another car? Mine would start by jumping it off another car until I could get to replace the starter.

hdandd · 01-15-2011, 11:51 PM

Yeah i charged the battery.

What about the pick up coil?

rustyrodknocker · 01-16-2011, 12:24 AM

you need to be clear when you make a statement if you want help troubleshooting. crank does not mean start. so if the engine turns fine on the starter then state that. answer the questions asked, you can quote them in your post. 1. is your distributor loose or is it tightend down properly? when an engine with a loose distributor stops it can kick it out of time. 2. did you check the voltage to the distributor? you asked how. if you are in doubt or do not have the tools you can run a temporary wire from the positive battery post to the distributor. then try to start it with the key. IF YOUR ENGINE STARTS YOU WILL HAVE TO DISCONNECT THE WIRE TO SHUT IT OFF. 3. Do you know how to identify the distributor internal parts? module. pickup coil. magnetic pickup. if you are at all unsure. say so. you stated the module and coil tested good. my next post will have a short pickup coil story. 4. you did not answer the question about open vacuum ports. if an engine stops suddenly from high idle it can kick back or (diesel) and let combustion pressure in the intake side and blow off caps or hoses. please answer these questions.

01-13-2011, 07:41 PM	#1
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	it just won't turn over It cranked right up Tuesday but wont crank now. I tried charging the battery that didn't work. I put gas in the carb and nuthin, I looked in the plugs and nuthin, Please somebody help..

01-13-2011, 07:49 PM	#2
hotrodhomi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,737	Re: it just won't turn over if it doesn't crank, all the gas in the world will not help. If you know the battery is good, check the connections at the battery and the starter. Do you hear any clicks or anything at all. Do you have a DMM? If not, you should buy one. It can make electrical troubleshooting much easier. __________________ '72 2wd blazer, bagged w/ watts link & EDC '72 C10 "Lowered Farm Truck" STOLEN 5-18-11 '66 impala ht

01-13-2011, 07:53 PM	#3
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over The starter connection is good, it tries to crank but no cigar __________________ 71 C-15 350 three speed.

01-13-2011, 08:02 PM	#4
sjarrett71 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Rolla, MO Posts: 2,463	Re: it just won't turn over What do you mean it tries to crank? Will the engine turn over when you turn the key? Or will it do nothing when you turn the key? __________________ -Scott-

01-13-2011, 08:03 PM	#5
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	Re: it just won't turn over not turn over means that the engine does not rotate or do you mean the engine turns over and does not start __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

01-13-2011, 09:22 PM	#6
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over sorry.. turns over but does not start.

01-13-2011, 09:28 PM	#7
4LUG39 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bastrop,Texas Posts: 61	Re: it just won't turn over Air,fuel,fire. Are you getting any spark? __________________ Ain't no way in the world I'm going out that front door. 69 SWB Fleetside 327/5spd 76 blazer 383/700R4 95 2Dr Tahoe 5.7 4x4 LT

01-13-2011, 09:40 PM	#8
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over I took a plug wire off and saw spark. It has fuel, and as for air it's cold as all get out here.

01-13-2011, 09:59 PM	#9
Willys47 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Nanaimo B.C. Posts: 604	Re: it just won't turn over if you have points check them and make sure there is a good spark. keep it simple air fuel and spark if it just ran the other day it should be close to running again I would think. __________________ I was hooked on these trucks since 1982 when I drove my budys fathers 1968 Custum GMC 396 automatic dana 60 rear with a power lock diff what a ride more fun then we will we can ever tell!!

01-13-2011, 09:59 PM	#10
4LUG39 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bastrop,Texas Posts: 61	Re: it just won't turn over Are you getting 12 Volts to the Dist? What color is the spark? Blue or orange? __________________ Ain't no way in the world I'm going out that front door. 69 SWB Fleetside 327/5spd 76 blazer 383/700R4 95 2Dr Tahoe 5.7 4x4 LT

01-15-2011, 04:13 PM	#11
MattyBs71 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Buckley, Washington Posts: 333	Re: it just won't turn over Electric choke? If so I have had the hot wire come undone for the choke and the ***** did not want to start one cold morning. I was tearing my hair out and looked under dash and saw the choke wire undone. Plugged it in and whamo blum blum blum blum blum away we go!

01-15-2011, 04:15 PM	#12
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over Nope Manuel choke, could it be the coil? __________________ 71 C-15 350 three speed.

01-15-2011, 05:28 PM	#13
whitesswj Embrace the Redneck Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cabot, AR Posts: 1,334	Re: it just won't turn over I'm going to mention something many look over. Take the module out of the HEI and take it to Autozone and have them test it. I bet it's went out on you. Take the coil with you and have them test it. To check the chain just pull the dist and turn it over. If the dizzy is turning then the cam is turning and the chain is turning it. It may be out of time. Check that. It sounds to me like it may be a Fire issue so keep looking there. To check for 12V at the dizzy pull the wire to it and put a voltmeter on it with the key in the ON position. __________________ '01 Camaro *Son, you just can't get there from here...* Last edited by whitesswj; 01-15-2011 at 05:28 PM. Reason: Added coil

01-15-2011, 05:56 PM	#14
463 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sask Canada Posts: 1,666	Re: it just won't turn over http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=440715 go to post #8 there is a pic __________________ Trueman

01-15-2011, 06:32 PM	#15
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over I tried holding the gas down for a while. I just got back from having the module tested. I'm checking the coil now. it acts kinda of like one cylinder fires but none of the others... So cap and rotor maybe? __________________ 71 C-15 350 three speed.



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01-15-2011, 07:10 PM	#17
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over Coil is good.. Any other ideas? __________________ 71 C-15 350 three speed.

01-15-2011, 07:24 PM	#18
c10chevy69 Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 205	Re: it just won't turn over Do you have another module or distributor to try in it? I had the same problem awhile ago. I got a couple of distributors from a guy selling used parts and it fired right up. Never changed the module just changed out the whole thing. I also when and had my module tested and they said it was fine. Good luck and keep us posted. __________________ 1969 chevy C10 long bed 350 4bbl auto p/disc and 5 lug

01-15-2011, 07:23 PM	#19
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over Next idea? __________________ 71 C-15 350 three speed. Last edited by hdandd; 01-15-2011 at 07:24 PM.

01-15-2011, 09:53 PM	#20
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over i guess change the distributer? __________________ 71 C-15 350 three speed. Last edited by hdandd; 01-15-2011 at 09:55 PM.

01-15-2011, 10:40 PM	#21
whitesswj Embrace the Redneck Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cabot, AR Posts: 1,334	Re: it just won't turn over Is the dizzy turning??? I had a very similar problem not a few weeks ago and it was timing! Check the timing. Maybe the dizzy moved a bit and now it's out of time. __________________ '01 Camaro *Son, you just can't get there from here...*

01-15-2011, 11:25 PM	#22
richards72chevy Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: konawa ok/oakdale Ca. Posts: 1,652	Re: it just won't turn over Have you tried charging the battery?My 72 was turning over showing a lite blue spark but not starting put the battery on a trickle charger then it started.

01-15-2011, 11:48 PM	#23
kevmic28 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Arlington Texas Posts: 602	Re: it just won't turn over I had an issue last month where mine would turn over but a little slower than normal but not start. Turned out to be a bad starter. The starter was pulling to much power draining all available power. Have you tried jump starting it off another car? Mine would start by jumping it off another car until I could get to replace the starter. __________________ 1970 GMC truck 1988 Harley 1200 Sportster

01-15-2011, 11:51 PM	#24
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over Yeah i charged the battery. What about the pick up coil? __________________ 71 C-15 350 three speed.

01-16-2011, 12:24 AM	#25
rustyrodknocker Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: salem oregon Posts: 414	Re: it just won't turn over you need to be clear when you make a statement if you want help troubleshooting. crank does not mean start. so if the engine turns fine on the starter then state that. answer the questions asked, you can quote them in your post. 1. is your distributor loose or is it tightend down properly? when an engine with a loose distributor stops it can kick it out of time. 2. did you check the voltage to the distributor? you asked how. if you are in doubt or do not have the tools you can run a temporary wire from the positive battery post to the distributor. then try to start it with the key. IF YOUR ENGINE STARTS YOU WILL HAVE TO DISCONNECT THE WIRE TO SHUT IT OFF. 3. Do you know how to identify the distributor internal parts? module. pickup coil. magnetic pickup. if you are at all unsure. say so. you stated the module and coil tested good. my next post will have a short pickup coil story. 4. you did not answer the question about open vacuum ports. if an engine stops suddenly from high idle it can kick back or (diesel) and let combustion pressure in the intake side and blow off caps or hoses. please answer these questions.

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