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hotrod1 · 07-10-2011, 06:35 PM

If you were lucky enough to attend Brothers Tuck show today you weren't disappointed. I come back so inspired from all the different possibilities and ideas.

It was good to see some of the members of this forum there.

chevyrestoguy · 07-10-2011, 07:05 PM

I just got back from the show. What a blast, especially meeting a bunch of guys from this site.

It was a real pleasure meeting you today, hotrod1. There's some great people on this site. It was cool to finally put a face to a screen name.

hotrod1 · 07-10-2011, 09:16 PM

Yeah, it was great to meet you also.

**Dan in Pasadena** · 07-10-2011, 09:26 PM

I was there afterall. My truck didn't make it but my camera did and I will upload the pix tomorrow. LOTS of really good ideas for small details, I'm STOKED!

Kim57 · 07-11-2011, 12:24 AM

I made the show and got to meet Chevyrestoguy and nobucks49 (kustombrad). Also ran into Bam again.
As always meeting guys from the board is always a highlight for me.
Kim

Kabwe · 07-11-2011, 03:49 PM

Hey guys the show was great and it was really nice meeting everyone. It was really cool meeting chevyrestroguy and kustombrad and walking around the show with them. Kim, Bajabob, and hotrod1 its always nice seeing you guys.

Here are some pictures for your enjoyment.

parkwood · 07-15-2011, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Kabwe

Hey guys the show was great and it was really nice meeting everyone. It was really cool meeting chevyrestroguy and kustombrad and walking around the show with them. Kim, Bajabob, and hotrod1 its always nice seeing you guys.

Here are some pictures for your enjoyment.

Kabwe, I'm a new guy here on this site and just wanted to stop by and thank all you guys for the nice words you had to say about the '51 suburban that was at the Brothers Truck show on sunday.. I'm the guy who built it for Dave and Denise. Can't say it was much fun until it was all put together and we were able to drive it down the road. I had it for about 4 years but did not work on it all of that time. Real time in the build was about two years or so. Took 6 months just paint it. Its late and i'm headed to So. Calif in the morning but when i get time if you guys would like i'll post some pictures of the build.. as you guys all know they don't start out looking that nice..
Again thanks for all the nice comments about the suburban, and i've pasted them on to Dave and Denise who thank you guys too...Wayne

jimig1 · 07-11-2011, 04:44 PM

Kawbe I'm drooling over that first burb you posted

Kabwe · 07-11-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jimig1

Kawbe I'm drooling over that first burb you posted

Man that burb was sweet. Chevyrestoguy and Kustombrad pointed it out to me and told me I had to see it and man was it sweet, pictures does not do it justice.

chevyrestoguy · 07-11-2011, 06:53 PM

^^Yeah, that Suburban was incredible. It was so subtle. The color was really easy on the eye, and you could easily walk right past it and never notice it.

It was just the way I like 'em. The more you looked at, the more you saw. The fabrication work was outstanding, the paint was flawless, the interior was really simple, but covered in just the right shade of leather. The dash had been woodgrained by a buddy of Brads named Phil Whetstone, and it was perfect. I'm curious how it placed in the judging.

Bam-
Did you get any pictures of the green 1950 Chevy with the black fenders? That thing should have been on a rotissierre. The bottom of that truck was nicer than the top of almost every other truck there. Top notch fab work. I plan on stealing some of the ideas from that truck. It had the coolest ignition key.....it was cut down and disguised as one of the dash knobs. Slick!

Kabwe · 07-11-2011, 08:22 PM

Hey Chevyrestroguy,
These are not the pics I took mine were horrible.lol But I found pics of the truck you were talking about on the net to share with everyone. Once again pics do not do this truck justice. By the way guys Bam is my nickname that's why I'm responding to Chevyrestroguy's question.

Chevyrestroguy,
After we left brothers truck show we stop to hang out at fuddruckers in Lakewood a buddy of mine runs the meet and greet out there so I stop to say hello and saw these rides. I know it’s a ford in there but the paint was just so nice I had to post.lol I did not stay long and it was just getting started so I'm sure a lot more cars came. Actually when we were leaving we noticed some of the brother truck show trucks started pulling in, so if you are ever in Lakewood around 2 o'clock on Sunday stop by Fuddruckers. Really nice guys with nice rides hang out there.

Kid · 07-11-2011, 09:33 PM

thanks for sharing the pics guys. I would love to live in Cali. so I could see all these georgous trucks (& suburbans) in person.

**youngrodder** · 07-12-2011, 12:03 AM

Kabwe-

The Suburban was built by a friend of mine (Wayne). I followed the whole build as he would send me updates. A cool back story is that he surprised the couple that he was building it for by having it finished and displayed at the GNRS (Grand National Roadster show). They were at the show and unexpectedly walked right up on their finished burb....It took some awards that day and more at every show it has entered since.

Wayne is a talented and great guy.

Marc

Kim57 · 07-12-2011, 12:28 AM

Kabwe
Thanks for posting the pics. There were lots of nice trucks at the show.
Kim

chevyrestoguy · 07-12-2011, 09:34 AM

Yeah....that's the green truck! Those are older pictures because it now has steel wheels and hubcaps. Those pictures definately show some of the detail and workmanship. On my earlier post, I commented on the underside of it, and you can see it in the picture. Amazing, it was like there was no part of that truck that wasn't massaged in some way. And the ignition key.....check out the picture of the dash. The knob just to the right and below the right hand gauge is the key. You can remove it, and it's a short key with a knob on the end. It was loaded with very subtle, clean mods that don't jump out at you. Very understated and classy.

Oh man, that '56 F-100 is nice. I know, I know, this is a Chevy truck site, but I'll admit that I think the '56 F-100 is a beautiful design. They are only ones of the iconic '53-56 F-100 style with the wrap-around windshield and available wrap around rear window.

Kabwe · 07-12-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by youngrodder

Kabwe-

The Suburban was built by a friend of mine (Wayne). I followed the whole build as he would send me updates. A cool back story is that he surprised the couple that he was building it for by having it finished and displayed at the GNRS (Grand National Roadster show). They were at the show and unexpectedly walked right up on their finished burb....It took some awards that day and more at every show it has entered since.

Wayne is a talented and great guy.

Marc

Well man your friend does great work because that burb was off the chain. The owner was cool he asked me if I had any questions and I said no just a statment "Beautiful". He told me he has a jar on the front seat to help recoup some of the money he has in it.lol

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Originally Posted by Kim57

Kabwe
Thanks for posting the pics. There were lots of nice trucks at the show.
Kim

Kim you are welcome and it was great seeing and talking to you again.

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Originally Posted by chevyrestoguy

Yeah....that's the green truck! Those are older pictures because it now has steel wheels and hubcaps.

Oh man, that '56 F-100 is nice. I know, I know, this is a Chevy truck site, but I'll admit that I think the '56 F-100 is a beautiful design. They are only ones of the iconic '53-56 F-100 style with the wrap-around windshield and available wrap around rear window.

You are correct older pics but much better than the ones I took at brothers it looks better with the steel wheels and hubcaps in my opinion, but the truck is amazing.

I agree with you on the 56 F-100 body style with the wrap-around windshield its a beautiful truck, but than again I'm a complete car nut so what do I know. I just love old cars and trucks.

**Dan in Pasadena** · 07-12-2011, 02:31 PM

Here are some pictures I took. Some are kinda random because they're pictures of small details I wanted to record for my possible future use.

Kabwe, I THINK I saw you but I only know you from a couple random shots of yourself contained in an old thread. I didn't want to walk up to someone and say, "Hey, are you "Kabwe?"... just because they were African American. If it HAD'NT been you the guy woulda thought I was nuts and said, "What the hell's a 'Kabwe' and why are you calling me that?!

Anyway, pic's. This one WOWED me. Owner said it was 1936 Ford Cordoba Tan and had WheelSmith powder coated rims, but he didn't know the color name. LOVED this Sub!

55 Panel in '62 Chevy Seafoam Green. I REALLY liked this especially with the painted-to-match steelies. Elegant in my opinion.

I've got a bunch more but gotta run for now. If you want more just chime in and I'll post. These are just color ideas for my own truck later.

Red Foreman · 07-12-2011, 03:55 PM

The tan Suburban & green Panel truck have done it for me, there totally awesome! I could not pick anything differnt I would do if they were mine, great builds & exellent taste! More pictures please!

Kabwe · 07-12-2011, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan in Pasadena

Here are some pictures I took. Some are kinda random because they're pictures of small details I wanted to record for my possible future use.

Kabwe, I THINK I saw you but I only know you from a couple random shots of yourself contained in an old thread. I didn't want to walk up to someone and say, "Hey, are you "Kabwe?"... just because they were African American. If it HAD'NT been you the guy woulda thought I was nuts and said, "What the hell's a 'Kabwe' and why are you calling me that?!

Anyway, pic's. This one WOWED me. Owner said it was 1936 Ford Cordoba Tan and had WheelSmith powder coated rims, but he didn't know the color name. LOVED this Sub!

Man you should have said something if you thought it was me. All the guy could have said was its not me. You mean to tell me I'm black! African American! I did not notice.lol

Man I know I'm African American so why wouldn't you. I would have like to have met you, we were probably standing right next to each other. Chevyrestroguy and I exchanged numbers before the show and he told me he saw me and thought it was me so he called and he was right I was standing right next to him.lol It was great meeting him and his buddy Brad (kustombrad) great guys. I met kim57, hotrod1, tri5nerd, Cal58GMC, Mylow53, and Bajabob in past years and all of them are really cool guys.

Yeah the burb was it for me, it my favorite. Oh it was a really nice rootbeer brown and white 64 or 65 with 18 inch rallys. I should have taken pics but I was too busy running my mouth, so if anyone has pics of it please post.

tmoble · 07-12-2011, 10:33 PM

Dan in Pasadena

Was that green panel really that light colored? I'm about to settle on that same color scheme for my truck but that looks a lot lighter than other trucks I've that were that Seafoam green color. Maybe it was darker in the 50s?

Anybody know if that's Nomad upholstery? or maybe some Cameo deal?

Kabwe · 07-12-2011, 11:31 PM

Dan,

Do you by any chance have pics of that rootbeer brown and white 64 or 65 chevy truck? That thing was sweet.

**Dan in Pasadena** · 07-13-2011, 12:34 AM

Found these pictures of it on the Classic trucks magazine website. There are more if you go over there:

http://www.classictrucks.com/feature...c10/index.html

hotrod1 · 07-13-2011, 11:49 AM

Hey Bam: When I met you at the show last year you pointed out all the little subtleties of detail in that red truck. Since then I spend a lot of time looking at the body and door gaps. Even some of those beautiful trucks have lousy gaps. I think that it is OK if it is a stocker, but I sure appreciate it when they are right on with a hot rod. It is a lot of work to get them nice. Maybe one day we will get there if we ever stop messing with the frame and have more time.

Anyways, I would have liked to tour the show with you and chevyrestoguy55 but I had to get there early and leave because of another obligation.

Kabwe · 07-13-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan in Pasadena

Kabwe, at the risk of offending one of your friends or relative, was there an older man with you? Slender (I think?). I thought you MIGHT have been the guy you're saying is your friend with his sunglasses pushed up on his head.

Incidentally, wasn't the paint on this truck outrageous?! A mile deep man, incredible.

Yeah that was us I was with Tony and an older gentleman. Tony is a really nice guy if you would have asked him if he was me, he just would have pointed out that I'm the midget over there.lol

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Originally Posted by hotrod1

Hey Bam: When I met you at the show last year you pointed out all the little subtleties of detail in that red truck. Since then I spend a lot of time looking at the body and door gaps. Even some of those beautiful trucks have lousy gaps. I think that it is OK if it is a stocker, but I sure appreciate it when they are right on with a hot rod. It is a lot of work to get them nice. Maybe one day we will get there if we ever stop messing with the frame and have more time.

Anyways, I would have liked to tour the show with you and chevyrestoguy55 but I had to get there early and leave because of another obligation.

Yeah man there are some really nice trucks that the door gaps and panel fitment is not good. They were like that from the factory so I don't trip on it too much because I know that everyone is not as nutty as me when it comes to that stuff. When I look at a ride I look at it for what it is, not what I want it to be because its not mine. I do take mental notes of what I would have done differently if it was mine. I've never seen a perfect car or truck because of the taste factor. We all have different taste and what is perfect to me others my think differently.

Man I just love craftsmanship and I'm a bigger fan of the home builder than I am of shops. I love to see a really sweet ride that someone built themselves and it seems that is not as common at shows lately. I guess people don't have the time.lol Lord knows it takes a lot of weekends and long nights to pull off a build. I guess that's why I'm such a fan of the home builder because its not easy. There are some fabulous home builders on this site and they are doing great work with a lack of tools and man power. Dedication and a great imagination can take you far just look at some of these builds on this site.

**Dan in Pasadena** · 07-13-2011, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kabwe

...Man I just love craftsmanship and I'm a bigger fan of the home builder than I am of shops. I love to see a really sweet ride that someone built themselves and it seems that is not as common at shows lately. I guess people don't have the time.lol Lord knows it takes a lot of weekends and long nights to pull off a build. I guess that's why I'm such a fan of the home builder because its not easy. There are some fabulous home builders on this site and they are doing great work with a lack of tools and man power. Dedication and a great imagination can take you far just look at some of these builds on this site.

Totally agree. I don't have ANY fabrication chops compared to you and a lot of the guys here....but I admire the hell out of your abilities and I want to learn from what you've done so that my truck; when it's done, will be the best I could do that the time I built it.

If I can do better with a subsequent project or do better on this truck at a later time, great...but you've got to keep on striving for the best YOU can attain. That's what I see you (Kabwe) and others here doing and I so admire the effort. To me it looks like it takes plain blood and guts; plain determination.

07-10-2011, 06:35 PM	#1
hotrod1 56 - autocross Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Camarillo, Ca Posts: 1,121	Brothers Truck Show If you were lucky enough to attend Brothers Tuck show today you weren't disappointed. I come back so inspired from all the different possibilities and ideas. It was good to see some of the members of this forum there. Attached Images

07-10-2011, 07:05 PM	#2
chevyrestoguy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: apple valley, ca Posts: 2,670	Re: Brothers Truck Show I just got back from the show. What a blast, especially meeting a bunch of guys from this site. It was a real pleasure meeting you today, hotrod1. There's some great people on this site. It was cool to finally put a face to a screen name. __________________ Check out my latest endeavor: https://roundsixpod.com My build threads: '55 Chevy: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=247512 '64 C-20: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=446527

07-10-2011, 09:16 PM	#3
hotrod1 56 - autocross Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Camarillo, Ca Posts: 1,121	Re: Brothers Truck Show Yeah, it was great to meet you also.

07-10-2011, 09:26 PM	#4
Dan in Pasadena Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glendora, CA Posts: 6,341	Re: Brothers Truck Show I was there afterall. My truck didn't make it but my camera did and I will upload the pix tomorrow. LOTS of really good ideas for small details, I'm STOKED!

07-11-2011, 12:24 AM	#5
Kim57 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Corona, California Posts: 7,998	Re: Brothers Truck Show I made the show and got to meet Chevyrestoguy and nobucks49 (kustombrad). Also ran into Bam again. As always meeting guys from the board is always a highlight for me. Kim

07-11-2011, 03:49 PM	#6
Kabwe Certified Car Nut Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inglewood, California Posts: 3,118	Re: Brothers Truck Show Hey guys the show was great and it was really nice meeting everyone. It was really cool meeting chevyrestroguy and kustombrad and walking around the show with them. Kim, Bajabob, and hotrod1 its always nice seeing you guys. Here are some pictures for your enjoyment.

07-11-2011, 04:44 PM	#8
jimig1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Elk River, MN Posts: 614	Re: Brothers Truck Show Kawbe I'm drooling over that first burb you posted __________________ 55 2nd series Chevy Pickup 2019 Chevy Equinox(Daily driver) 2011 Chevy Malibu (Wife's car) MSRA Member I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, "Where's the self-help section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose. -George Carlin

07-11-2011, 06:53 PM	#10
chevyrestoguy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: apple valley, ca Posts: 2,670	Re: Brothers Truck Show ^^Yeah, that Suburban was incredible. It was so subtle. The color was really easy on the eye, and you could easily walk right past it and never notice it. It was just the way I like 'em. The more you looked at, the more you saw. The fabrication work was outstanding, the paint was flawless, the interior was really simple, but covered in just the right shade of leather. The dash had been woodgrained by a buddy of Brads named Phil Whetstone, and it was perfect. I'm curious how it placed in the judging. Bam- Did you get any pictures of the green 1950 Chevy with the black fenders? That thing should have been on a rotissierre. The bottom of that truck was nicer than the top of almost every other truck there. Top notch fab work. I plan on stealing some of the ideas from that truck. It had the coolest ignition key.....it was cut down and disguised as one of the dash knobs. Slick! __________________ Check out my latest endeavor: https://roundsixpod.com My build threads: '55 Chevy: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=247512 '64 C-20: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=446527

07-11-2011, 08:22 PM	#11
Kabwe Certified Car Nut Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inglewood, California Posts: 3,118	Re: Brothers Truck Show Hey Chevyrestroguy, These are not the pics I took mine were horrible.lol But I found pics of the truck you were talking about on the net to share with everyone. Once again pics do not do this truck justice. By the way guys Bam is my nickname that's why I'm responding to Chevyrestroguy's question. Chevyrestroguy, After we left brothers truck show we stop to hang out at fuddruckers in Lakewood a buddy of mine runs the meet and greet out there so I stop to say hello and saw these rides. I know it’s a ford in there but the paint was just so nice I had to post.lol I did not stay long and it was just getting started so I'm sure a lot more cars came. Actually when we were leaving we noticed some of the brother truck show trucks started pulling in, so if you are ever in Lakewood around 2 o'clock on Sunday stop by Fuddruckers. Really nice guys with nice rides hang out there. Last edited by Kabwe; 07-12-2011 at 05:51 PM.

07-11-2011, 09:33 PM	#12
Kid Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kansas Posts: 702	Re: Brothers Truck Show thanks for sharing the pics guys. I would love to live in Cali. so I could see all these georgous trucks (& suburbans) in person. __________________ The kid Build threads: 51 Jimmy http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=154951 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=219902 http://www.classictrucks.com/feature...uck/index.html 68 C10 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...ad.php?t=50348

07-12-2011, 12:03 AM	#13
youngrodder Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Scotts, Michigan Posts: 3,774	Re: Brothers Truck Show Kabwe- The Suburban was built by a friend of mine (Wayne). I followed the whole build as he would send me updates. A cool back story is that he surprised the couple that he was building it for by having it finished and displayed at the GNRS (Grand National Roadster show). They were at the show and unexpectedly walked right up on their finished burb....It took some awards that day and more at every show it has entered since. Wayne is a talented and great guy. Marc __________________ …………...........__________ .................. ((__\|__\|\|___\____ ..;.;;.:;:;.,;..;((_(O))____ (_(O)) 1948 Chevy Truck - Finished SOLD!! 1953 Chevy Suburban "Family Truckster" Completed: Spring of 2021 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=605484 1994 4x4 Blazer - "Field Find" https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...ferrerid=30857

07-12-2011, 12:28 AM	#14
Kim57 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Corona, California Posts: 7,998	Re: Brothers Truck Show Kabwe Thanks for posting the pics. There were lots of nice trucks at the show. Kim

07-12-2011, 09:34 AM	#15
chevyrestoguy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: apple valley, ca Posts: 2,670	Re: Brothers Truck Show Yeah....that's the green truck! Those are older pictures because it now has steel wheels and hubcaps. Those pictures definately show some of the detail and workmanship. On my earlier post, I commented on the underside of it, and you can see it in the picture. Amazing, it was like there was no part of that truck that wasn't massaged in some way. And the ignition key.....check out the picture of the dash. The knob just to the right and below the right hand gauge is the key. You can remove it, and it's a short key with a knob on the end. It was loaded with very subtle, clean mods that don't jump out at you. Very understated and classy. Oh man, that '56 F-100 is nice. I know, I know, this is a Chevy truck site, but I'll admit that I think the '56 F-100 is a beautiful design. They are only ones of the iconic '53-56 F-100 style with the wrap-around windshield and available wrap around rear window. __________________ Check out my latest endeavor: https://roundsixpod.com My build threads: '55 Chevy: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=247512 '64 C-20: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=446527

07-12-2011, 02:31 PM	#17
Dan in Pasadena Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glendora, CA Posts: 6,341	Re: Brothers Truck Show Here are some pictures I took. Some are kinda random because they're pictures of small details I wanted to record for my possible future use. Kabwe, I THINK I saw you but I only know you from a couple random shots of yourself contained in an old thread. I didn't want to walk up to someone and say, "Hey, are you "Kabwe?"... just because they were African American. If it HAD'NT been you the guy woulda thought I was nuts and said, "What the hell's a 'Kabwe' and why are you calling me that?! Anyway, pic's. This one WOWED me. Owner said it was 1936 Ford Cordoba Tan and had WheelSmith powder coated rims, but he didn't know the color name. LOVED this Sub! 55 Panel in '62 Chevy Seafoam Green. I REALLY liked this especially with the painted-to-match steelies. Elegant in my opinion. I've got a bunch more but gotta run for now. If you want more just chime in and I'll post. These are just color ideas for my own truck later.

07-12-2011, 03:55 PM	#18
Red Foreman Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 549	Re: Brothers Truck Show The tan Suburban & green Panel truck have done it for me, there totally awesome! I could not pick anything differnt I would do if they were mine, great builds & exellent taste! More pictures please!



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07-12-2011, 10:33 PM	#20
tmoble Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Glendale, Az Posts: 1,062	Re: Brothers Truck Show Dan in Pasadena Was that green panel really that light colored? I'm about to settle on that same color scheme for my truck but that looks a lot lighter than other trucks I've that were that Seafoam green color. Maybe it was darker in the 50s? Anybody know if that's Nomad upholstery? or maybe some Cameo deal?

07-12-2011, 11:31 PM	#21
Kabwe Certified Car Nut Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inglewood, California Posts: 3,118	Re: Brothers Truck Show Dan, Do you by any chance have pics of that rootbeer brown and white 64 or 65 chevy truck? That thing was sweet.

07-13-2011, 12:34 AM	#22
Dan in Pasadena Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glendora, CA Posts: 6,341	Re: Brothers Truck Show Found these pictures of it on the Classic trucks magazine website. There are more if you go over there: http://www.classictrucks.com/feature...c10/index.html Attached Images

07-13-2011, 11:49 AM	#23
hotrod1 56 - autocross Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Camarillo, Ca Posts: 1,121	Re: Brothers Truck Show Hey Bam: When I met you at the show last year you pointed out all the little subtleties of detail in that red truck. Since then I spend a lot of time looking at the body and door gaps. Even some of those beautiful trucks have lousy gaps. I think that it is OK if it is a stocker, but I sure appreciate it when they are right on with a hot rod. It is a lot of work to get them nice. Maybe one day we will get there if we ever stop messing with the frame and have more time. Anyways, I would have liked to tour the show with you and chevyrestoguy55 but I had to get there early and leave because of another obligation.

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