making jeep spring ride stiffer???

[losthope]

I plan on doing the jeep springs in the rear ,but the only down fall i see is that everyone says the amount you can haul in bed is minimal....and when i have a truck im always hauling something. i was thinking how could this be fixed? a spring inside of a spring?doubling springs up some how? then i ran across this picture on a c.l. add for a truck for sale.....has anybody done something like this or have any thoughts on it???

[SulphuriousSam]

looks interesting. Never seen one like that before myself. That's things got springs coming out of everywhere!

I'm interested to hear other replies as I was planning on the jeep spring route myself for now.

BTW losthope, I saw your mordor thread on the HAMB....nice I'm hunting for project similar to that for my next money burner.

[losthope]

thanks its a fun car, but i found these trucks are easier to put together
and if your looking for the same style car the 52-54 fords(same body style) are pretty cheap compared to the more popular 49-51 fords...but you may be a die hard chevy guy

[Slow Build]

How about an air spring inside a spring. Air Lift Load Assist springs go inside your coil springs. They aren't too expensive and not much modification, if any. You could just use a shrader valve if you don't want to get a compressor. You can just carry a tire pump that plugs into your lighter if you need some lift when your not near a gas station.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AI...n/?prefilter=1

[jimmydean]

Originally Posted by Slow Build

How about an air spring inside a spring. Air Lift Load Assist springs go inside your coil springs. They aren't too expensive and not much modification, if any. You could just use a shrader valve if you don't want to get a compressor. You can just carry a tire pump that plugs into your lighter if you need some lift when your not near a gas station.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AI...n/?prefilter=1

That's what I was thinking. My C20 has them inside the OE spring. A helper would allow you to add/remove pressure to dial it in.

[Dunenutt]

Originally Posted by Slow Build

How about an air spring inside a spring. Air Lift Load Assist springs go inside your coil springs. They aren't too expensive and not much modification, if any. You could just use a shrader valve if you don't want to get a compressor. You can just carry a tire pump that plugs into your lighter if you need some lift when your not near a gas station.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AI...n/?prefilter=1

You will have a problem with those bags. The inlet points straight down. Our trucks have a bolt on top and bottom, no place to stick the inlet through. The old style had a schraeder sticking out the side, but have not seen them in a while.

[Slow Build]

Originally Posted by Dunenutt

You will have a problem with those bags. The inlet points straight down. Our trucks have a bolt on top and bottom, no place to stick the inlet through. The old style had a schraeder sticking out the side, but have not seen them in a while.

Good call. I thought that I had seen these for our trucks but I'm not finding them now. Here is a better option that I am considering for my truck. A little more expensive but better engineered. I know this doesn't help much because you're trying to stay down in cost.

http://www.performanceonline.com/196...DE-ASSIST-KIT/

[lolife99]

How about using a drop spring designed for our trucks?
http://www.performanceonline.com/Coil-Springs-c-776/
$99.99
(plus 10% off right now)

[losthope]

Originally Posted by lolife99

How about using a drop spring designed for our trucks?
http://www.performanceonline.com/Coil-Springs-c-776/
$99.99
(plus 10% off right now)

i thought that i heard most guy's said they are just jeep springs anyways???, and another reason i want to use jeep springs is because i could get them almost free, and i also have a car build so id like to keep it low cost..and im a cheap arse

[lolife99]

Originally Posted by losthope

i thought that i heard most guy's said they are just jeep springs anyways???, and another reason i want to use jeep springs is because i could get them almost free, and i also have a car build so id like to keep it low cost..and im a cheap arse

Not true.
If they were Jeep springs,... you wouldn't be able to get them in 2", 3", 4", 5" and 6" drop.
I've run 6" drop springs from ECE (www.earlyclassic.com) on three different trucks.

I can't see using cheap or free Jeep springs,... and then trying to figure out how to make them work.
Do you change the track bar or shocks when you install Jeep springs?

This is just my opinion.

[losthope]

Originally Posted by lolife99

I can't see using cheap or free Jeep springs,... and then trying to figure out how to make them work.
Do you change the track bar or shocks when you install Jeep springs?

mostly it was just a idea type ? thread about something i thought of and saw someone do....and i rather use free jeep springs for the time being and not spend money on drop springs or parts that would be taken out and replaced by airbags later down the road. just my 2 cents....and the track bar doesnt really need to change since the jeeps only lower 4inchs and the shock mounts can be relocated (but dont know if they have to with the jeeps).

[fleetsidelarry]

Originally Posted by lolife99

I can't see using cheap or free Jeep springs,... and then trying to figure out how to make them work.

I didn't use jeep springs, I bought NEW 3" drop springs (I can't remember which of the various suppliers I got mine from). then had to figure out how to make them work. I'll bet you a dollar to a donut they're "jeep", they sure are wimpy. I ended up getting the kit that Slow Build posted a link to.

I don't think you can get out of this cheap unless you just cut the coils. some guys do that but I wouldn't and would never recommend it.

[J.Cagle]

My truck has the factory overloads ( that look like half a leaf spring). If I used Jeep springs would the over loads help much if I hauled anything or pulled a trailor?

[bama63]

Just wanted to add a note to this thread about the rear Jeep TJ/LJ springs.
There are four different versions of the springs that were used from 1997 through 2006. These are the ones that can be used on the C10. Similar rear springs could be found on the Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ. All four versions are the same length wise but vary in rate.
The only way to tell them apart is by the color coded tags that are on the springs from the factory, they read as follows:
103AA (or 3AA) 130lb.
104AA (or 4AA) 140lb.
105AA (or 5AA) 150lb.
106AA (or 6AA) 160lb.

[losthope]

103AA (or 3AA) 130lb. =5" or =6"
104AA (or 4AA) 140lb. =4" or =5"
105AA (or 5AA) 150lb. =3" or =4"
106AA (or 6AA) 160lb. =2" or =3"

maybe this is how the companys get the diffrent size drop springs????

[Rich 5150 69]

ECE sells a differant rating for the c20`s, in the drop springs.... maybe that is what we might need, I have the same issue...

[Andyboy]

whats different from '96 and '97 jeep springs? Just asking cause I can get '96 springs for free.

[jonathan-m]

I've got jeep springs in (and yes, got them for free. Actually two sets for free, cause I lost the first and had to get another). After the springs settle you definitely cannot carry a whole lot of weight, couple hundred at most. What I did honestly was just save the original springs. They were so easy to switch out that I figured I'd just swap the old ones back in if I ever needed to haul something. I don't use my truck for hauling very heavy stuff any more than maybe once a year. It takes about 30 minutes or less to switch them out, and its 100% free so that's how I do it.

[Blue666]

At $99.00 for correctly designed springs that bolt right in, why mess around with Jeep springs.

You have a 1/2 hour time each way to the PNP
You wander around for 30 minutes looking for the correct springs
Takes 1 hr to remove springs & gather your tools
Takes an hour to get them to almost work right in your truck
Takes another month to decide that they don't work & you can't carry anything heavier than a box of kleenex.

Buy the correct part & be safe.

[Andyboy]

Thanks guys, I would pay but don't have the $99 plus shipping to get them. Plus I'm keeping the originals Just in case. Thanks again.

[kieth]

Save your money and buy a set of firstone 9000 bags (if you have coil springs with trailing arms.) that way you can adjust the ride height where you want it......and will not have to mess around with altering things etc. Sometimes it is just better so save and get the right thing. Kieth

ps about $140.00 per pair, use schrader valve to adjust ride height.

[Andyboy]

What are you guys running for shocks with the jeep springs?