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GMC"ER · 10-08-2011, 11:23 PM

Hey everybody just finished the rest of drop on my 69 GMC today put a new master cylinder on and bled all the lines. I had posted another picture of my 69 GMC short stepper a couple of days ago but the picture was not good as it was getting dark. I have 3" lowering springs up front with new 2 1/2" drop spindles and a 5" rear leaf flip kit on back and running 235/75's on back and 215/70's up front. Now with all that being said I think that it is has a little to much rake? I thought that a lowering shackle of 1-2inches would get me there and still look good or maybe take a leaf out but I don't know if that is a good thing or not as I only have 3 springs in a pack plus a thick flat overload spring on the bottom, maybe remove one spring? Or drop tire size? But I still like the fullness this tire gives in the rear well. What do you guy's think? I sometimes get confused and it helps to get more thoughts and opinions. I hope that this truck is turning out OK with the looks of the lowering process? Well thanks again everybody for all the continued help! I really need all I can get! Thanks Robert the newbie

oldspowered67C10 · 10-08-2011, 11:39 PM

Truck is looking good, nice work. I wouldn't call the rake too much but 1" lower in the rear would look better to my eye.

AirSpeed · 10-09-2011, 12:10 AM

I agree, the rear could use an inch or so more drop, throw something heavy in the back and see how you like it. It doesn't look at all bad the way it is now though! You have a very nice truck!
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**lolife99** · 10-09-2011, 12:16 AM

How much thread do you have hanging out of the rear u-bolt nuts?
I wonder if you could just add a 1"-1.5" lowering block.
That would slightly affect shock angle and length,... but maybe you could fab some shock extentions.

GMC"ER · 10-09-2011, 12:47 AM

Hey Keith,
I have close to 2" or more of thread past the nuts. What type of block would I put? Just have to fabricate some type of metal spacer? Remember I have leaf springs in back will a block work with leafs? By the way I should get my 7" rallies mid week for the front!!!! I think I got a real deal on them. Robert

**leddzepp** · 10-09-2011, 12:51 AM

like i said in your other thread...1 more inch in the back and your stance/tire combo will be dead solid perfect imo. those 7 inch rallies you just bought from brad are the finishing touch, and will pull in your front tires just right.
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CC69Rat · 10-09-2011, 01:03 AM

Looking awesome man! Personally, I think I'd just leave it. I like

I'm thinking maybe a little wider and ~not as tall tire in the rear? .. If I recall correctly your tires are 28.9" tall in the rear now. I think a 255/70/15 is 29.1" (not much difference at all, not worth the $ IMO) 255/60/15 is ~2" shorter than a 235/75 .. Would drop the rear overall but may not 'stuff it like you want. 275/60/15 Is right at 28" tall, but I'm not sure it would tuck under the stepper fenders. I'm thinking no. someone else might have tried before.

Keith might be on it. .. 1-1.5" drop block. Would the drive shaft length become an issue at that point? I have an ext. cab S10 that has been dropped and I am running .5" set back plates to adjust. Just something to think about. Ex. The truck used to be what 4" higher and the factory drive shaft was measured at that height. When it's lowered the rear end housing becomes slightly closer to the transmission tail shaft and kinda 'jams the driveshaft into the transmission when you hit big bumps. The set back plates adjust the length so you can run the factory length drive shaft. (At least on the S10's) .. Just something to consider. Does the flip kit correct the pinion angle too?

**lolife99** · 10-09-2011, 01:17 AM

The block would be just like a "lift block" for a 4x4 truck.
It would need a centering hole and a pin to keep the reared in check.
Similar to an s10 lowering block.
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**lolife99** · 10-09-2011, 01:19 AM

Those 7" rally wheels ARE the real deal.
And you got them at a great price!
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GMC"ER · 10-09-2011, 02:37 AM

It would help if I could spell right in my heading!!! Do not know how to edit my posts if it possible? Hope it heading changes to say "opinions"!

big_al_71 · 10-09-2011, 08:16 AM

I love this truck's stance and looks, also remember the suspension will settle some after you drive it a bit.

Hubscrub · 10-09-2011, 09:27 AM

Looks good either way, just buy couple bags of sackcrete and "lower it"

CG · 10-09-2011, 10:14 AM

I like the rake, it goes with the style of your truck. If you had bigger wheels and more rubber bandy tires a more evenly lowered look works better.

cdowns · 10-09-2011, 10:21 AM

i dont like level trucks. i like a natural rake so when i carry a load(i believe in hauling)it is not a taildragger

Andy4639 · 10-09-2011, 10:27 AM

I like it just as it is. I think it looks great! It's got the right look and is still functional to hual with. Why are you going to 7" wheels? The rallys you have look great on it in my opinion anyway.

**Boog** · 10-09-2011, 10:32 AM

Or put a 1 inch taller tire on the front. Your done.

crazy longhorn · 10-09-2011, 11:03 AM

I like a little rake on em....I would leave it as is

crazyL

GMC"ER · 10-09-2011, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy4639

I like it just as it is. I think it looks great! It's got the right look and is still functional to hual with. Why are you going to 7" wheels? The rallys you have look great on it in my opinion anyway.

When I added the front drop spindles and disc brakes your truck's front travel path will gain approximately 2" and I didn't know this would happen until I was told by some of the other members here so this will get the front end back in line with the rear end wheels and tuck the front wheels back under the fender and give you a little more clearance, if you are standing in front of the truck you can tell the difference in width. Robert

GMC"ER · 10-09-2011, 03:02 PM

Thanks guys for all the positive feedback on the stance! Yes it is a personal preference when you are customizing your truck but it does help when you get some feedback from others that have "been there, done that" saves time and money and just maybe you will be reveled a new thought or a new way of doing things. Thanks guys for all the help and feedback! Robert the newbie

BB72CHEVKT · 10-09-2011, 11:26 AM

looks good to me

Ackattack · 10-09-2011, 12:40 PM

IMO it looks great, but if its not what you like, I'd go with a 1" block and be done with it.

helldiablo · 10-09-2011, 08:04 PM

i think it looks great.. just my opinion..

**special-K** · 10-10-2011, 05:39 AM

Slight rake is good. Yours is barely detectible. I'd wash my hands and drive it. Consider clearance between ale and frame,too.

sean1969c10 · 10-10-2011, 06:38 AM

I think a truck needs a little rake to look right, but you need to do what ever it takes to make you happy with the look.

Street Smart · 10-10-2011, 08:09 AM

i like`em low, but it looks great just the way it is. If the rear is under the leafs then a block will raise the truck, blocks will only lower it if the rear sits on top of the spring. (unless the axle is flipped but thats another story).

10-08-2011, 11:23 PM	#1
GMC"ER Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Surgoinsville,Tennessee Posts: 113	To much rake? What's your all's opion? Hey everybody just finished the rest of drop on my 69 GMC today put a new master cylinder on and bled all the lines. I had posted another picture of my 69 GMC short stepper a couple of days ago but the picture was not good as it was getting dark. I have 3" lowering springs up front with new 2 1/2" drop spindles and a 5" rear leaf flip kit on back and running 235/75's on back and 215/70's up front. Now with all that being said I think that it is has a little to much rake? I thought that a lowering shackle of 1-2inches would get me there and still look good or maybe take a leaf out but I don't know if that is a good thing or not as I only have 3 springs in a pack plus a thick flat overload spring on the bottom, maybe remove one spring? Or drop tire size? But I still like the fullness this tire gives in the rear well. What do you guy's think? I sometimes get confused and it helps to get more thoughts and opinions. I hope that this truck is turning out OK with the looks of the lowering process? Well thanks again everybody for all the continued help! I really need all I can get! Thanks Robert the newbie Attached Images

10-08-2011, 11:39 PM	#2
oldspowered67C10 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Cherry Valley,Ca Posts: 468	Re: To much rake? What's your all's opion? Truck is looking good, nice work. I wouldn't call the rake too much but 1" lower in the rear would look better to my eye.

10-09-2011, 12:10 AM	#3
AirSpeed Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fall River California Posts: 2,026	Re: To much rake? What's your all's opion? I agree, the rear could use an inch or so more drop, throw something heavy in the back and see how you like it. It doesn't look at all bad the way it is now though! You have a very nice truck! Posted via Mobile Device

10-09-2011, 12:16 AM	#4
lolife99 67-72 parts collector,… Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mid-MO Posts: 22,700	Re: To much rake? What's your all's opion? How much thread do you have hanging out of the rear u-bolt nuts? I wonder if you could just add a 1"-1.5" lowering block. That would slightly affect shock angle and length,... but maybe you could fab some shock extentions. __________________ Keith Convert to disc brakes. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=444823

10-09-2011, 12:47 AM	#5
GMC"ER Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Surgoinsville,Tennessee Posts: 113	Re: To much rake? What's your all's opion? Hey Keith, I have close to 2" or more of thread past the nuts. What type of block would I put? Just have to fabricate some type of metal spacer? Remember I have leaf springs in back will a block work with leafs? By the way I should get my 7" rallies mid week for the front!!!! I think I got a real deal on them. Robert

10-09-2011, 12:51 AM	#6
leddzepp Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Southern Cal Posts: 20,031	Re: To much rake? What's your all's opion? like i said in your other thread...1 more inch in the back and your stance/tire combo will be dead solid perfect imo. those 7 inch rallies you just bought from brad are the finishing touch, and will pull in your front tires just right. Posted via Mobile Device __________________ 1972 C/10 Cheyenne Super SWB. Restored, loaded, slammed. 1968 C/10 50th Anniversary LWB. Unrestored, stock, daily driver/work truck. RIP ElJay RIP 67ChevyRedneck RIP Grumpy Old Man RIP FleetsidePaul

10-09-2011, 01:03 AM	#7
CC69Rat Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Chattanooga TN Posts: 6,212	Re: To much rake? What's your all's opion? Looking awesome man! Personally, I think I'd just leave it. I like I'm thinking maybe a little wider and ~not as tall tire in the rear? .. If I recall correctly your tires are 28.9" tall in the rear now. I think a 255/70/15 is 29.1" (not much difference at all, not worth the $ IMO) 255/60/15 is ~2" shorter than a 235/75 .. Would drop the rear overall but may not 'stuff it like you want. 275/60/15 Is right at 28" tall, but I'm not sure it would tuck under the stepper fenders. I'm thinking no. someone else might have tried before. Keith might be on it. .. 1-1.5" drop block. Would the drive shaft length become an issue at that point? I have an ext. cab S10 that has been dropped and I am running .5" set back plates to adjust. Just something to think about. Ex. The truck used to be what 4" higher and the factory drive shaft was measured at that height. When it's lowered the rear end housing becomes slightly closer to the transmission tail shaft and kinda 'jams the driveshaft into the transmission when you hit big bumps. The set back plates adjust the length so you can run the factory length drive shaft. (At least on the S10's) .. Just something to consider. Does the flip kit correct the pinion angle too? __________________ Chad 1967 C10 SWB - Project Savannah - 6.0/4L80 Currently underway 1968 C10 SWB - TOTY 2018, 50th Anniversary Tribute Project * Sold * Pride and Joy 1986 Silverado Short Fleet - Scarlet Sold 1985 Silverado Short Fleet Sold 2022 Jeep Gladiator Mojave 2001 Jeep Cherokee XJ 4x4 - Lifted, Built 1992 Jeep Cherokee XJ 4x4 - Lifted 2013 Honda Accord EX-L v6 Coupe 6spd (wife's ride)

10-09-2011, 01:17 AM	#8
lolife99 67-72 parts collector,… Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mid-MO Posts: 22,700	Re: To much rake? What's your all's opion? The block would be just like a "lift block" for a 4x4 truck. It would need a centering hole and a pin to keep the reared in check. Similar to an s10 lowering block. Posted via Mobile Device __________________ Keith Convert to disc brakes. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=444823

10-09-2011, 01:19 AM	#9
lolife99 67-72 parts collector,… Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mid-MO Posts: 22,700	Re: To much rake? What's your all's opion? Those 7" rally wheels ARE the real deal. And you got them at a great price! Posted via Mobile Device __________________ Keith Convert to disc brakes. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=444823

10-09-2011, 02:37 AM	#10
GMC"ER Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Surgoinsville,Tennessee Posts: 113	Re: To much rake? What's your all's opinion It would help if I could spell right in my heading!!! Do not know how to edit my posts if it possible? Hope it heading changes to say "opinions"!

10-09-2011, 08:16 AM	#11
big_al_71 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Florida Posts: 11,375	Re: To much rake? What's your all's opion? I love this truck's stance and looks, also remember the suspension will settle some after you drive it a bit. __________________ Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please!!!!!. Sylvester's build thread >>>http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...ht=big+rebuild

10-09-2011, 09:27 AM	#12
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10-09-2011, 10:14 AM	#13
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10-09-2011, 10:21 AM	#14
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	Re: To much rake? What's your all's opion? i dont like level trucks. i like a natural rake so when i carry a load(i believe in hauling)it is not a taildragger __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

10-09-2011, 10:27 AM	#15
Andy4639 Old member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Liberty, & Garden City S.C. , U.S. Posts: 19,945	Re: To much rake? What's your all's opion? I like it just as it is. I think it looks great! It's got the right look and is still functional to hual with. Why are you going to 7" wheels? The rallys you have look great on it in my opinion anyway. __________________ 1971 LWB Custom, 6.0LS & 4L80E, Speedhut.com GPS speedometer & gauges with A/C. 20" Boss 338's Grey wheels 4 wheel disc brakes. My Driver Seeing the USA in a 71 Upstate SC GM Truck Club 2013,14 and 2016 Hot Rod Pour Tour http://upstategmtrucks.com/ Get out and drive the truck this summer and have some fun! It sucks not being able to hear! LWB trucks rule, if you don't think so measure your SWB! After talking to tech support at Air Lift I have found out that the kit I need is 60811. Per the measurements I gave them. Ride height of truck inside spring and inside diameter of springs.



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10-09-2011, 10:32 AM	#16
Boog laying low Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Searcy, Ark. USA Posts: 13,514	Re: To much rake? What's your all's opion? Or put a 1 inch taller tire on the front. Your done. __________________ Boog 69 Chevy stepside, 358/T350, 4.11 posi, 4.5/4 drop, rallys, poboy driver primer is finer 91 Chevy sportside, Tahoe, Yukon & GMC Crewcab All GM..'nuff said. I stand for the flag and kneel at the cross

10-09-2011, 11:03 AM	#17
crazy longhorn Fabricate till you "puke" Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ill Posts: 9,402	Re: To much rake? What's your all's opion? I like a little rake on em....I would leave it as is crazyL __________________ 69 longhorn,4" chop,3/5 drop, 1/2 ton suspension/disc brakes,1 1/2" body drop,steel tilt clip, 5.3/Edelbrock rpm intake/600 carb, Hooker streetrod shorties,2 1/2" exhaust/ H pipe/50's Flows , 6 spd Richmond trans,12 bolt/ 3.40 gears....

10-09-2011, 03:02 PM	#19
GMC"ER Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Surgoinsville,Tennessee Posts: 113	Re: To much rake? What's your all's opion? Thanks guys for all the positive feedback on the stance! Yes it is a personal preference when you are customizing your truck but it does help when you get some feedback from others that have "been there, done that" saves time and money and just maybe you will be reveled a new thought or a new way of doing things. Thanks guys for all the help and feedback! Robert the newbie

10-09-2011, 11:26 AM	#20
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10-09-2011, 12:40 PM	#21
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10-10-2011, 05:39 AM	#23
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sean1969c10 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Powhatan, Va. Posts: 376	Re: To much rake? What's your all's opion? I think a truck needs a little rake to look right, but you need to do what ever it takes to make you happy with the look. __________________ Sean "If your gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough" 1960 Chevy Impala Sedan - my 25 year search is over!! 1969 C-10 longbed - Nice day DD 1970 Chevy Nova - Street and Strip Project 2002 Acura MDX my DD 2007 Honda Odssey - My Wife's "Mommy Van"

10-10-2011, 08:09 AM	#25
Street Smart Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Brooklyn N.Y. Posts: 819	Re: To much rake? What's your all's opion? i like`em low, but it looks great just the way it is. If the rear is under the leafs then a block will raise the truck, blocks will only lower it if the rear sits on top of the spring. (unless the axle is flipped but thats another story). __________________ 1967 GMC Suburban, Supercharged 6.2 LS with a 6l80e , my 11 second tow vehicle! pic in my profile 1987 GMC CrewCab Dually 6.0 LS/6L90e, new tow pig. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/gallery/...=74049&cat=500

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