1st post on this site! Intro and a question!

[mgeez]

Hello from Pa.,
I have been a 1 yr lurker and this is my 1st post. I did not find an introduction section, so I will start here.
I am helping my younger son restore a '51 3/4 ton. He is in his 4th yr of college and has very limited $$$ to buy the high dollar repro parts it requires, hence I do a graet deal of welding, patching, welding, etc.
The '51 3/4 ton was a stake bed from the factory. It sat in a barn since 1985. The motor was replaced with a mid 60's 235 I believe. 3 speed on the column. Left foot parking brake. Electrical was at some point converted to 12 volt. We removed the stake bed, straightened all sheet metal from the cab to the front. Gutted the wiring rats nest harness. We replaced 100% of brake components and lines. He originally was going to put the stake bed back on, but since the cab and front turned out so well, we decided to find another truck with a good bed.
He purchased a '52 1 ton with an original 9' bed in very good shape. 4 speed with hand emergency brake. This truck is 100% original except an added "farmers rear bumper", and in fair to good shape for not running since 1991. All the sheet metal is salvagable except the tailgate and the front bed panel. After removing the bed and any better parts than on the 3/4 ton, we plan to sell all the remaing parts to recoup some $$$.
So, I removed approx 12" from the bed front as well as 12" from the rear of the bed. Of course the running boards and bed aprons had to be shortened.
Now..... my question:
I am almost positive the 3/4 has the orig 3 speed tranny, and I know the 1 ton has its original 4 sp tranny. Question: Will the 4 sp bolt right into the 3/4 ton? He wants to do this for several reasons. Its way "cooler" to have a 4 sp on the floor. We think the hand emergency brake is neat, as it bolts directly to the 4 sp tranny for suport. I would like to switch to the 4 sp to clean the "rats nest" of levers, rods, springs, etc under the left cab side. I could delete the left foot emergency pedal and those darn column shift linkages. Any thoughts? What should be my main concern?

Mark from Pa.

[NEWFISHER]

Welcome.
What engine is n the 1 ton? You say "The motor was replaced with a mid 60's 235 I believe" on the 51 3/4, but no mention of the 1 ton engine. if the 1 ton has a 235 or 216 the current 4sp would bolt up to the 235 in the 51.

[mgeez]

Originally Posted by NEWFISHER

Welcome.
What engine is n the 1 ton? You say "The motor was replaced with a mid 60's 235 I believe" on the 51 3/4, but no mention of the 1 ton engine. if the 1 ton has a 235 or 216 the current 4sp would bolt up to the 235 in the 51.

"rookie question" - is there anything visual, other than if I check the numbers, to tell if it is a 216 or 235. It has what looks like an external oil filter on the left side mounted to some brackets. Excuse my ignorance of these trucks, this is the 1st pr 67 vehicle I ever restored. I dealt with camaro, nova, chevy II, etc all my life, but never tackled these old trucks. I really like the idea of restoring these old workhorses and this definately won't be the last one i build.

Mark

[mechanixman]

Originally Posted by mgeez

"rookie question" - is there anything visual, other than if I check the numbers, to tell if it is a 216 or 235. It has what looks like an external oil filter on the left side mounted to some brackets.
Mark

Hey mark! Welcome!
The way to determine the difference is to look at the valve cover.
The first picture is of a 235. It has 4 bolts around the edge that hold it down.
The second is of (my old) 216. It has 2 bolts on the top of the cover holding it down.
I was told the oil filter was an option on these trucks. Definitely worth keeping.

[Dan in Pasadena]

I don't know about the 4 spped being cooler? The four speeds on these trucks had a "Granny" first gear that you do not use at all in ordinary driving. You just start out in 2nd gear mostly.

"darned column shift linkage"? I LOVE the "3-on-the-tree" of these trucks. If mine had still be there when I'd bought it I'd have left it. YOunger people today have no idea what a 3 speed column shift is or how to drive one. Anybody can have a four speed floor shift, but oh well that just my opinion.

LET'S SEE A PHOTO!!!

[mgeez]

Originally Posted by Dan in Pasadena

I don't know about the 4 spped being cooler? The four speeds on these trucks had a "Granny" first gear that you do not use at all in ordinary driving. You just start out in 2nd gear mostly.

Cooler in my son's eyes, not mine. I like the uniqueness of the column shift. Even my oldest sons looked perplexed when I told him it was a "3 speed on the tree". He thought it was an automatic. I laughed.

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"darned column shift linkage"? I LOVE the "3-on-the-tree" of these trucks. If mine had still be there when I'd bought it I'd have left it. YOunger people today have no idea what a 3 speed column shift is or how to drive one. Anybody can have a four speed floor shift, but oh well that just my opinion.

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Agree!

[mgeez]

Originally Posted by Dan in Pasadena

I don't know about the 4 spped being cooler? The four speeds on these trucks had a "Granny" first gear that you do not use at all in ordinary driving. You just start out in 2nd gear mostly.

"darned column shift linkage"? I LOVE the "3-on-the-tree" of these trucks. If mine had still be there when I'd bought it I'd have left it. YOunger people today have no idea what a 3 speed column shift is or how to drive one. Anybody can have a four speed floor shift, but oh well that just my opinion.

LET'S SEE A PHOTO!!!

These are the 2 trucks I started with Dan:

[agnes the dog]

Originally Posted by mgeez

These are the 2 trucks I started with Dan:

I hope painting it isn't in the plan... That looks great the way it is!! Clean it and clear it!

[magicoolbus]

I agree that patina is fabulous. As posted before, the sm420 or sm465 transmission will not provide true 4 speed functionality. Just a three speed with the very rare benefit of a low gear for starting off when pulling a load. One of the best mods for the money is putting in a Borg T-5 5 speed. Lots of these in junk yards and tons of previous install experience by board members here and at 'stovebolt.' Good Luck and welcome to the addiction!

[Denee007]

HI! Welcome to a greeaaat forum!
dne'

[Denee007]

Wow, nothing like a good ole restoration eh! I like your avatar picture! I wish everyone would put a pic of themselves!
dne'

[Dan in Pasadena]

Originally Posted by Denee007

I like your avatar picture! I wish everyone would put a pic of themselves!
dne'

Uh...we don't all look as good as she does. You may want to reconsider this request.
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[Dan in Pasadena]

Originally Posted by Denee007

Wow, nothing like a good ole restoration eh! I like your avatar picture! I wish everyone would put a pic of themselves!
dne'

Uh...yeah well you may want to rethink this request. We're not all former homecoming queens. Lol
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[Denee007]

I just caught this Dan! I'm kind of slow sometime! Come to think of it, I'm kind of slow most of the time
Dne'

Originally Posted by Dan in Pasadena

Uh...yeah well you may want to rethink this request. We're not all former homecoming queens. Lol
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[Katrina/10]

I'm kinda digging the stake bed.

[mknittle]

Welcome from Ca. looks like you have a good start there. I like the flat bed. and it has the radiused sides making it extra cool.

[pvienneau]

mgeez, welcome the best AD TF website available. The members on this site will get you through anything for your chevy trucks. Keep posting pix and PLEEEEZ talk your son into keeping the 3 on the TREE.

[mgeez]

Originally Posted by pvienneau

mgeez, welcome the best AD TF website available. The members on this site will get you through anything for your chevy trucks. Keep posting pix and PLEEEEZ talk your son into keeping the 3 on the TREE.

Yea, I am trying. Up until today, we were building original everything. Then, today he tells me to order a roll pan rear in lieu of brackets and a rear bumper. Oh well! It will save him maybe $150 this route, but I would have gone original rear bumper. Spent 10 hours today rebuilding all 4 corners of the rear fenders. What a job for a novice builder! Ordered the rollpan, tailgate, hinges, and a chrome/ivory grill today. The total today in just those parts equalled what he paid for the truck. I am sort of skeptical regarding the Chrome Grill. Every where else other than Ebay had them listed for $450+. This 1 seller on Ebay listed them new for $345 shipped. Something is "off", but I took the chance and bought it. The tailgate, rollpan, hinges shipping was $75. Thats tough to take. I get Dynacorn dealer prices, but anything oversize costs a flat fee of $175 to ship, so i purchased from parts123.com. Shipping really takes a bite out of the budget!
Mark

[av8tr33337]

Originally Posted by mgeez

Yea, I am trying. Up until today, we were building original everything. Then, today he tells me to order a roll pan rear in lieu of brackets and a rear bumper. Oh well! It will save him maybe $150 this route, but I would have gone original rear bumper. Spent 10 hours today rebuilding all 4 corners of the rear fenders. What a job for a novice builder! Ordered the rollpan, tailgate, hinges, and a chrome/ivory grill today. The total today in just those parts equalled what he paid for the truck. I am sort of skeptical regarding the Chrome Grill. Every where else other than Ebay had them listed for $450+. This 1 seller on Ebay listed them new for $345 shipped. Something is "off", but I took the chance and bought it. The tailgate, rollpan, hinges shipping was $75. Thats tough to take. I get Dynacorn dealer prices, but anything oversize costs a flat fee of $175 to ship, so i purchased from parts123.com. Shipping really takes a bite out of the budget!
Mark

Anxious to hear about the quality of the grill when you get it. Hope it's a good one for you.

[mgeez]

Originally Posted by av8tr33337

Anxious to hear about the quality of the grill when you get it. Hope it's a good one for you.

Got the grille today. Looks perfect. Very happy for now. Will check fitup tonite. More than pleased for $345 shipped!

[mgeez]

Originally Posted by av8tr33337

Anxious to hear about the quality of the grille when you get it. Hope it's a good one for you.

Well, I am starting to understand why this grille was $100 cheaper than the next lowest one on ebay. When in place, the outward appearance is gorgeous. But, behind the scenes (grille), half of the holes don't line up. I will have to redrill most of the support holes on the truck sheet metal passenger side about 1/2" from original locations. If I had to do over again, I would still choose this route since the outward appearance is 100%. I have bought a bunch of patch panels and sheet metal parts over the years and I know most need "tweeking", but most of the "bolt in" China stuff fits better than this. So, I am assuming the seller had 4 "seconds" to sell and I got one of them. If I were building a 100% show quality truck, this would not work, but we are building a "driver" quality, and unless someone looks down behind the grille, this one is perfect for us!

[Ferrofil]

Originally Posted by mgeez

Yea, I am trying. Up until today, we were building original everything. Then, today he tells me to order a roll pan rear in lieu of brackets and a rear bumper. Oh well! It will save him maybe $150 this route, but I would have gone original rear bumper. Spent 10 hours today rebuilding all 4 corners of the rear fenders. What a job for a novice builder! Ordered the rollpan, tailgate, hinges, and a chrome/ivory grill today. The total today in just those parts equalled what he paid for the truck. I am sort of skeptical regarding the Chrome Grill. Every where else other than Ebay had them listed for $450+. This 1 seller on Ebay listed them new for $345 shipped. Something is "off", but I took the chance and bought it. The tailgate, rollpan, hinges shipping was $75. Thats tough to take. I get Dynacorn dealer prices, but anything oversize costs a flat fee of $175 to ship, so i purchased from parts123.com. Shipping really takes a bite out of the budget!
Mark

Hi and welcome!
I'm fresh here too! Just joined a month ago...
Imagine the shipping costs me, living here in Sweden...!
:-)
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[mgeez]

Thanks for all the welcomes. I am thrilled to be part of this community. Everyone is so helpful. I think I added a photobucket link in the signature portion of my post for some pics of our progress. Hope it works.
We are soon at the point in our 1st build when I have to start planning for primer / paint. Son's long range plan is to have a professional paint job after college when he is making money. Short range plan is to just get it looking OK. He wants to do the satin black theme for now to save $$$. Any pros / cons on several coats polyester primer, followed by John Deere's Blitz Black?
Mark

[Dan in Pasadena]

Originally Posted by mgeez

....I added a photobucket link in the signature portion of my post for some pics of our progress.
Mark

Just an FYI, you'll find you get more comments/responses if you post photos directly in your posts than relying on us to follow a link.

-Dan
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[Ferrofil]

Looks very nice! Where did you buy it from?
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