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brianb41 · 05-22-2014, 04:15 PM

Iv got another question for you guys im rebuilding my 72 and ran into alot of rust damage in the cab and today i came across a 72 gmc with a perfect cab what i am wondering is since the vin numbers are in the cab do i have to use the gmc vin or can i change the door jam plate and keep the vin of the truck im restoring? Thanks

Mr Chevorlet · 05-22-2014, 04:27 PM

If you use the 72 GMC cab you use the 72 GMC title, swapping vins is frowned upon in a lot of states, or say illegal.

*Fitz* · 05-23-2014, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Chevorlet

If you use the 72 GMC cab you use the 72 GMC title, swapping vins is frowned upon in a lot of states, or say illegal.

It's called title washing. Boyd Coddington narrowly escaped a prison sentence for doing it. If you get caught you not only lose the truck but you get free meals and housing courtesy of the state you live in.

Old Truck Man · 05-23-2014, 04:50 PM

I cant give you legal advice. However asking on this or any other forum isn't the proper way to obtain legal advice. I would check with local authorities. Whatever you do make sure its legal.

tlcrz1972 · 05-23-2014, 09:46 PM

The crappy part about doing it legally is I think a deal fell through on me selling my truck because I did it the legal way through DOT. He questioned what the sticker was about and I told him, and then he went cold on the deal. He wanted to see the title which I didn't have with me, to see what it looked like. BTW it is a clean title not a salvage title.

leftybass209 · 05-24-2014, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tlcrz1972

The crappy part about doing it legally is I think a deal fell through on me selling my truck because I did it the legal way through DOT. He questioned what the sticker was about and I told him, and then he went cold on the deal. He wanted to see the title which I didn't have with me, to see what it looked like. BTW it is a clean title not a salvage title.

That just means the buyer wasn't well informed. Nobody should be selling a vehicle without the title in hand though, that is a perfect way to make a buyer weary of the sale, which sounds like exactly the case. I've walked away from several sales because sellers had excuses for why the title wasn't available. Best of luck with your decision.

wgeyer88 · 05-22-2014, 04:27 PM

Legally, the VIN goes with the cab. It is illegal to remove the VIN plate from the door jam. Whether you choose to follow that is up to you...

I removed my VIN plate when my truck was painted.

**WIDESIDE72** · 05-22-2014, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wgeyer88

I removed my VIN plate when my truck was painted.

Was the one you put on after paint the same one you removed?

**michael bustamante** · 05-22-2014, 04:31 PM

And those daisy rivits are hard to find. I need 4 myself

brianb41 · 05-22-2014, 05:06 PM

Thats what i was afraid of my truck is a 72 chevy swb and the cab is either a 71 or 72 gmc long bed so if i used that title it wouldnt match my truck right? I could always cut and weld the parts i need but its alot more work and a bit over my experience level

brianb41 · 05-22-2014, 05:28 PM

Hmm maybe a door jam transplant

Tinkermc · 05-22-2014, 06:09 PM

laws vary greatly from state to state. You can always ask questions at the local registration place.

**WIDESIDE72** · 05-22-2014, 08:53 PM

Fyi there are slight variations between 71 and 72 cans such as the inside rear view mirror mount and accelerator pedal mount.

69Steppin · 05-22-2014, 09:18 PM

Its too bad the easy way isn't the legal way.

tlcrz1972 · 05-22-2014, 09:30 PM

Been there done that, in Texas I had the title to the frame and a sales receipt from a salvage yard for the cab, bed, engine etc. When I took it for inspection at TxDot they used the frame numbers because of the title matching it. And the documentation that when to Austin list the cab numbers on it there. They installed a sticker next to the cab vin plate documenting that it is inspected and legal.

It's no big deal about the cab vin plate being from a longed truck, GMC or whatever the variables are.

leftybass209 · 05-22-2014, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tlcrz1972

Been there done that, in Texas I had the title to the frame and a sales receipt from a salvage yard for the cab, bed, engine etc. When I took it for inspection at TxDot they used the frame numbers because of the title matching it. And the documentation that when to Austin list the cab numbers on it there. They installed a sticker next to the cab vin plate documenting that it is inspected and legal.

It's no big deal about the cab vin plate being from a longed truck, GMC or whatever the variables are.

California Highway Patrol told me the same thing pretty much. I have a swapped cab with no title. I have a frame and clean title matching. They're just going to re tag my cab using the frame Vin.

**Elliot949** · 05-24-2014, 06:36 AM

I asked on here a little while back about the Rosette Rivets to remove/replace the VIN plate on my 67... What I found out was shocking... Even though I wanted to just R&R the vin plate to paint it, It is illegal in all 50 States... Even possessing the rosette rivets is illegal and you can be arrested on criminal charges... so I am painting around the VIN Plate...

From all I can see the information tlcrz1972 gave on changing the cab pretty much is the way it is in all 50 states... ALWAYS check with the state you live in to make sure you don't make a error that can cost you your truck...

Also in buying one of these trucks that have been put together from several trucks make sure it can be titled in your state...

These are just my experience/ opinion and your thoughts may be different...

**70cst** · 05-24-2014, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Elliot949

I asked on here a little while back about the Rosette Rivets to remove/replace the VIN plate on my 67... What I found out was shocking... Even though I wanted to just R&R the vin plate to paint it, It is illegal in all 50 States... Even possessing the rosette rivets is illegal and you can be arrested on criminal charges... so I am painting around the VIN Plate...

From all I can see the information tlcrz1972 gave on changing the cab pretty much is the way it is in all 50 states... ALWAYS check with the state you live in to make sure you don't make a error that can cost you your truck...

Also in buying one of these trucks that have been put together from several trucks make sure it can be titled in your state...

These are just my experience/ opinion and your thoughts may be different...

1972RedNeck · 05-24-2014, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Elliot949

I asked on here a little while back about the Rosette Rivets to remove/replace the VIN plate on my 67... What I found out was shocking... Even though I wanted to just R&R the vin plate to paint it, It is illegal in all 50 States... Even possessing the rosette rivets is illegal and you can be arrested on criminal charges... so I am painting around the VIN Plate...

I love my Ford with their reusable / easy to obtain rivets.

05-22-2014, 04:15 PM	#1
brianb41 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: idaho falls idaho Posts: 34	title question Iv got another question for you guys im rebuilding my 72 and ran into alot of rust damage in the cab and today i came across a 72 gmc with a perfect cab what i am wondering is since the vin numbers are in the cab do i have to use the gmc vin or can i change the door jam plate and keep the vin of the truck im restoring? Thanks Last edited by oldiron; 05-24-2014 at 03:20 AM.

05-22-2014, 04:27 PM	#2
Mr Chevorlet Rusty Nuts Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Clever Missouri Posts: 1,338	Re: tittle question If you use the 72 GMC cab you use the 72 GMC title, swapping vins is frowned upon in a lot of states, or say illegal. __________________ (Clever Missouri) Southwest Larry Mr Chevrolet My Build, The Marathon Truck http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=604414

05-23-2014, 04:50 PM	#4
Old Truck Man Registered User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Pocahontas Arkansas Posts: 684	Re: tittle question I cant give you legal advice. However asking on this or any other forum isn't the proper way to obtain legal advice. I would check with local authorities. Whatever you do make sure its legal.

05-23-2014, 09:46 PM	#5
tlcrz1972 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Gainesville, TEXAS Posts: 658	Re: tittle question The crappy part about doing it legally is I think a deal fell through on me selling my truck because I did it the legal way through DOT. He questioned what the sticker was about and I told him, and then he went cold on the deal. He wanted to see the title which I didn't have with me, to see what it looked like. BTW it is a clean title not a salvage title. __________________ 1972 Chevrolet Cheyenne LB 1/2 ton finished restoration/rebuild 1995 350 throttle body FI, 4L6E (running on modified GM wiring harness) 3.08 posi rearend, factory A/C on 134A, p/s, p/b, late 70's power windows and locks and cruise, speakers in the dash + 6x9's behind the seat, factory tilt, 40 gallon fuel tank in the bed with integrated tool box, air assist bags on the rearend, sway bar up front and much more. 1972 chevrolet SNB finished 2002, 350 TB FI, TH400, factory A/C, p/b, p/s, (FOR SALE) 1969 Chevrolet 1 ton in work, home made PTO dump bed extended frame, 350 CI , 1972 Chevrolet 3/4 ton suburban future project 1972 Chevrolet 3/4 ton p/u maybe a project one day 1966 Toyota Landcruiser my playtoy

05-22-2014, 04:27 PM	#7
wgeyer88 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Denver, Co Posts: 245	Re: tittle question Legally, the VIN goes with the cab. It is illegal to remove the VIN plate from the door jam. Whether you choose to follow that is up to you... I removed my VIN plate when my truck was painted. __________________ Will 1970 CST10 SWB LQ4/4L80E 2004 Silverado (sold) 2007.5 Dodge Ram 2500

05-22-2014, 04:31 PM	#9
michael bustamante Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Albuquerque NM Posts: 7,858	Re: tittle question And those daisy rivits are hard to find. I need 4 myself __________________ 1967custom

05-22-2014, 05:06 PM	#10
brianb41 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: idaho falls idaho Posts: 34	Re: tittle question Thats what i was afraid of my truck is a 72 chevy swb and the cab is either a 71 or 72 gmc long bed so if i used that title it wouldnt match my truck right? I could always cut and weld the parts i need but its alot more work and a bit over my experience level

05-22-2014, 05:28 PM	#11
brianb41 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: idaho falls idaho Posts: 34	Re: tittle question Hmm maybe a door jam transplant

05-22-2014, 06:09 PM	#12
Tinkermc Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Farmville, Va Posts: 3,026	Re: tittle question laws vary greatly from state to state. You can always ask questions at the local registration place.

05-22-2014, 08:53 PM	#13
WIDESIDE72 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Cedar Park, Texas Posts: 7,500	Re: tittle question Fyi there are slight variations between 71 and 72 cans such as the inside rear view mirror mount and accelerator pedal mount.

05-22-2014, 09:18 PM	#14
69Steppin Registered User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 20	Re: tittle question Its too bad the easy way isn't the legal way. __________________ ______________________ ~ Jimmy:: 69 C10 2wd Stepside PS, PB, .30 over 350, 700 R4, 4/6 static drop, aftermarket underdash AC

05-22-2014, 09:30 PM	#15
tlcrz1972 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Gainesville, TEXAS Posts: 658	Re: tittle question Been there done that, in Texas I had the title to the frame and a sales receipt from a salvage yard for the cab, bed, engine etc. When I took it for inspection at TxDot they used the frame numbers because of the title matching it. And the documentation that when to Austin list the cab numbers on it there. They installed a sticker next to the cab vin plate documenting that it is inspected and legal. It's no big deal about the cab vin plate being from a longed truck, GMC or whatever the variables are. __________________ 1972 Chevrolet Cheyenne LB 1/2 ton finished restoration/rebuild 1995 350 throttle body FI, 4L6E (running on modified GM wiring harness) 3.08 posi rearend, factory A/C on 134A, p/s, p/b, late 70's power windows and locks and cruise, speakers in the dash + 6x9's behind the seat, factory tilt, 40 gallon fuel tank in the bed with integrated tool box, air assist bags on the rearend, sway bar up front and much more. 1972 chevrolet SNB finished 2002, 350 TB FI, TH400, factory A/C, p/b, p/s, (FOR SALE) 1969 Chevrolet 1 ton in work, home made PTO dump bed extended frame, 350 CI , 1972 Chevrolet 3/4 ton suburban future project 1972 Chevrolet 3/4 ton p/u maybe a project one day 1966 Toyota Landcruiser my playtoy

05-24-2014, 06:36 AM	#17
Elliot949 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Winfield, Ks. Posts: 4,162	Re: title question I asked on here a little while back about the Rosette Rivets to remove/replace the VIN plate on my 67... What I found out was shocking... Even though I wanted to just R&R the vin plate to paint it, It is illegal in all 50 States... Even possessing the rosette rivets is illegal and you can be arrested on criminal charges... so I am painting around the VIN Plate... From all I can see the information tlcrz1972 gave on changing the cab pretty much is the way it is in all 50 states... ALWAYS check with the state you live in to make sure you don't make a error that can cost you your truck... Also in buying one of these trucks that have been put together from several trucks make sure it can be titled in your state... These are just my experience/ opinion and your thoughts may be different... __________________ Dan Johnston... Owner of My Dad's- '67 Chevy C-20 Custom Camper Short Fleetside Pickup PAPA J And our newest addition a- '71 Chevy CST/10 Short Fleetside Pickup Haulin' SOLD Papa J's Build Thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=612847 Haulin's Build Thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=671130SOLD B Bears Build Thread:http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=744210 Last edited by 70cst; 05-24-2014 at 08:20 AM.



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