radiator upgrade

[iceman777]

hi i am running a stock radiator in my 64 c10 and it runs a bit hot so i am wondering what is the best up grade? is there anything that will go straight in with not to much hassle

[TJ's Chevy]

A good aluminum 2 core will cool better. Champion has alot of nice ones available.

[ranger danger]

I would want to know why its overheating! Timing, carb adjustment, clogged radiator fins, bad water pump, thermostat etc??? If it is the radiator then is it leaking, clogged fins???

[Captainfab]

What engine is in your truck? Does it have the small I6 radiator or the larger V8/292 radiator? Do you have a fan shroud?

Originally Posted by iceman777

hi i am running a stock radiator in my 64 c10 and it runs a bit hot so i am wondering what is the best up grade? is there anything that will go straight in with not to much hassle

[iceman777]

Originally Posted by Captainfab

What engine is in your truck? Does it have the small I6 radiator or the larger V8/292 radiator? Do you have a fan shroud?

it has a 383 stroker in it,and it has an electric fan that cuts in at around 190 f

[61_FL_Apache]

Check out my radiator swap. Im running a 160* stat and it never moves from that temp not matter what im hauling or how fast im going.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=508507&page=4

[Grizz1963]

Depending on your needs, views and who you want to support, or not

Steve Lang of Langeys Hotrod Shop (on FB) mobile 07836 244483 may be able to source what you need once you identify what you need. He brings stuff into the UK at Dollar for Pound including the VAT.

Hope that helps.

[iceman777]

Originally Posted by Grizz1963

Depending on your needs, views and who you want to support, or not

Steve Lang of Langeys Hotrod Shop (on FB) mobile 07836 244483 may be able to source what you need once you identify what you need. He brings stuff into the UK at Dollar for Pound including the VAT.

Hope that helps.

cheers grizz

[Jimal]

I just installed a Champion 3-core in my '65 K10. It dropped right in with no drama.



The shroud was fabricated by the PO, and while it doesn't cover everything, I wasn't having overheating problems before (I sprung a small leak, and since this isn't a restoration, a chose a new rad over having the old one fixed. Look for the old in the Classified soon)

[iceman777]

Originally Posted by 61_FL_Apache

Check out my radiator swap. Im running a 160* stat and it never moves from that temp not matter what im hauling or how fast im going.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=508507&page=4

just read yor thread mate looks really good

[rcnutt]

+1 on the champion

[hubcaplarry]

I just took my original radiator to a reputable repair shop and it was close to 400 bucks for the core/rebuild w/ powerglide. After research looks like Champion is the top dog. Good luck!
HCL

[rcnutt]

I got my 3 row auto trans champion for 209.00 to my door...ebay

[dragon65]

read my thread I posted Monday......this radiator perfect fit quick free shipping...under $150 and looks great installed.....with warranty.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=683738

[dragon65]

Iceman....I just noticed your in England...I am assuming there will be a shipping charge to your location.
I was born in Barry Island Wales...seems we have a bit in common

[iceman777]

Originally Posted by dragon65

Iceman....I just noticed your in England...I am assuming there will be a shipping charge to your location.
I was born in Barry Island Wales...seems we have a bit in common

hey man im in England, i have been in touch champion radiators and they have said a 2 row is what i will need so think im gonna go for that

[dragon65]

Gotcha...good luck
The one i showed you was a 2 row as well......as long as it works all good!!

[jason999]

Originally Posted by iceman777

hey man im in England, i have been in touch champion radiators and they have said a 2 row is what i will need so think im gonna go for that

I have been looking at radiators for a week or two. As I understand it, the Champion 2 rows have smaller tubing (5/8"), but there are some 2 row radiators with 1" tubing. I believe that the one I bought was made in the same factory as Champion.

I looked at several, including Champion 3 and 4 row. I ended up buying this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-64-65-6...item2a4ac06a83

It's just $10 more than the 2 row Champion with smaller tubing and some say it's as good or better than the 3 rows with smaller tubing.

I haven't received it yet, but I liked the sellers return policy so I went with it.

It's just something else to consider. If anyone knows more about the 2 row radiators with 1" tubing, please comment.

[DLW]

I have been looking at radiators for a week or two. As I understand it, the Champion 2 rows have smaller tubing (5/8"), but there are some 2 row radiators with 1" tubing. I believe that the one I bought was made in the same factory as Champion.

I looked at several, including Champion 3 and 4 row. I ended up buying this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-64-65-6...item2a4ac06a83

It's just $10 more than the 2 row Champion with smaller tubing and some say it's as good or better than the 3 rows with smaller tubing.

I haven't received it yet, but I liked the sellers return policy so I went with it.

It's just something else to consider. If anyone knows more about the 2 row radiators with 1" tubing, please comment.

A 2 core radiator with 1 or 1.25" tubes will cool as good or better than a 3 or 4 core with 0.5" tubes, for example. It makes since mathematically.

Champion 2 core uses .75" tubes and their 3 and 4 core's use .63" tubes. Champion also sells American Eagle radiators (the one you bought from ebay), which their 2 and 3 row/core radiators use 1" tubes.

Griffin uses big 1.25" tubes in many of their radiators and so does my Entropy. This is why sometimes a 2 row radiator can be better than a 3 or 4 row with smaller tubes.

IMO, the 2 row radiator you bought with 1" tubes is a better choice than the Champion 2 row with .75" tubes.

[jason999]

Originally Posted by DLW

A 2 core radiator with 1 or 1.25" tubes will cool as good or better than a 3 or 4 core with 0.5" tubes, for example. It makes since mathematically.

Champion 2 core uses .75" tubes and their 3 and 4 core's use .63" tubes. Champion also sells American Eagle radiators (the one you bought from ebay), which their 2 and 3 row/core radiators use 1" tubes.

Griffin uses big 1.25" tubes in many of their radiators and so does my Entropy. This is why sometimes a 2 row radiator can be better than a 3 or 4 row with smaller tubes.

IMO, the 2 row radiator you bought with 1" tubes is a better choice than the Champion 2 row with .75" tubes.

Your numbers sound familiar on the .75" tubes for Champions 2 core. I confused my numbers because I was comparing the Patriot 2 row to Champions 3 row. Thats where I got 1" vs 5/8".

How do you think the Patriot 2 row would compare to the Champion 3 row? I was under the impression that they would be very close.

[DLW]

Do you have a link to the Patriot radiator? I never heard of them. Google just comes up with radiators for the patriot jeep.

If it has 1" tubes and has quality core and tanks, then it should be comparable to the Champion 3 row.

[jason999]

Originally Posted by DLW

Do you have a link to the Patriot radiator? I never heard of them. Google just comes up with radiators for the patriot jeep.

If it has 1" tubes and has quality core and tanks, then it should be comparable to the Champion 3 row.

I'm the worlds worst about researching things to death. I spoke with the guy that had the ebay listing and saw his return policy and feedback and decided to order from him, but not before I spent hours reading about radiators.....

Its an AE284 - AE stands for American Eagle
Champion's standard 2 row for our trucks is an EC284 - EC for Economy

Here is my radiator at Jeggs. Click on Overview. Notice they call it a Champion
http://www.jegs.com/i/Champion-Cooli...AE284/10002/-1

Here is the Champion 2 row at Jeggs. Again, click Overview
http://www.jegs.com/i/Champion-Cooli...EC284/10002/-1

I didn't see a lot of info but here is the site you wanted http://www.americaneagleradiator.com/

Here is some math comparing the 3 core Champion to the 2 core Patriot, from another forum. I didn't check it but here it is.
3 rows wide x .63� tubes x 2 (cuz rad tubes have 2 sides�top and bottom) x 42 rows tall x 23� wide core = 3651.5 square inches of cooling surface area.

2 rows x 1� tubes x 2 x 42 rows x 23� core = 3864 square inches of cooling surface area.


Thanks

[iceman777]

Originally Posted by jason999

I'm the worlds worst about researching things to death. I spoke with the guy that had the ebay listing and saw his return policy and feedback and decided to order from him, but not before I spent hours reading about radiators.....

Its an AE284 - AE stands for American Eagle
Champion's standard 2 row for our trucks is an EC284 - EC for Economy

Here is my radiator at Jeggs. Click on Overview. Notice they call it a Champion
http://www.jegs.com/i/Champion-Cooli...AE284/10002/-1

Here is the Champion 2 row at Jeggs. Again, click Overview
http://www.jegs.com/i/Champion-Cooli...EC284/10002/-1

I didn't see a lot of info but here is the site you wanted http://www.americaneagleradiator.com/

Here is some math comparing the 3 core Champion to the 2 core Patriot, from another forum. I didn't check it but here it is.
3 rows wide x .63� tubes x 2 (cuz rad tubes have 2 sides�top and bottom) x 42 rows tall x 23� wide core = 3651.5 square inches of cooling surface area.

2 rows x 1� tubes x 2 x 42 rows x 23� core = 3864 square inches of cooling surface area.


Thanks

are you saying that a 2 row A/E is better than the the 2 row champion radiator
?

[DLW]

Originally Posted by iceman777

are you saying that a 2 row A/E is better than the the 2 row champion radiator
?

Providing the core dimensions are the same, the AE should cool better with the 1" tubes.

[jason999]

Originally Posted by iceman777

are you saying that a 2 row A/E is better than the the 2 row champion radiator
?

That's my understanding and it may be as good or better than the Champion 3 core. You can look at the links posted above. It appears that AE is made by Champion.

I shopped and researched for a while. The seller I used offered to pay return shipping on returns for any reason so I thought that the AE would be worth a look.