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Manual Disc master cylinder
Working on a 1968 C10 with 1972 frame. Stock disc/drum brakes. I've searched the forums and the answers vary. I want to go with manual brakes but can't seem to find a master cyinder for stock manual disc/drum. I can find one for power disc/drum. Does anyone know if there is a stock manual disc drum master cylinder made or do i just use the one for power. I would think the bore would be a bit smaller for manual.
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Re: Manual Disc master cylinder
I just bought a master for my 71 with original front disc’s. I got it from Napa. They list one # for both power & manual. I rechecked this to be sure. I have not installed it yet. Supposed to have a plug you remove for manual application..
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Re: Manual Disc master cylinder
I'd be interested in seeing how that would work. Those master cylinders have different bore diameters IIRC.
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Re: Manual Disc master cylinder
Only for manual/ manual set up.
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Re: Manual Disc master cylinder
Just bought a new M/cyl for a 71/72. My Napa guy says it fits manual or power. He's not a novice rookie/bumpkin.
Now if Napa's listing is correct??? I plan to run manual disc on my 67 and 68 |
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Re: Manual Disc master cylinder
I have no idea what manual/manual means. And just because a counter guy says it fits both applications (which it will), it does not always mean a part is "designed" for both applications. There is a difference between a 72 C10 power brake system master cylinder and a non-power brake system master cylinder - and some parts houses carry separate part numbers and list applicability based on power vs. non-power. Believe bore dia is different as mentioned above - and also that the depth of the depression in the back of the piston varies between power (shallow) and non-power (deep). Here is an LMC example:
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Re: Manual Disc master cylinder
68Gold/white, So what is the Napa part number or manufacturer part number that Napa sold you? Did you also get a stock proportioning valve or other parts for the conversion from them? Please let us know how it works out. I would be interested in that conversion someday.
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I don't believe the 73-up master cylinders have the deep hole in them. THat particular master cylinder was used for years and years on cars and pickups!!! The Wagner part number for it is (or was, I have not sold auto parts since 1998) F101254 for the new cylinder or R101254 for the re-man. I don't use re-man master cylinders, any more, EVER... |
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Re: Manual Disc master cylinder
Judging from the reply's there is no one master cylinder for manual disk brakes for a 72 c10. I just don't want to have excess pedal pressure to get it to stop. Maybe I need to rethink the manual brakes.
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I will start a thread, asking that question!!! |
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While I'm not a massive fan of LMC, they don't manufacture master cylinders, they just sell them like anyone else does - and the fact that they list power, and non-power master cylinders for a 72 C10 under different part numbers means they at least understand there is difference - which puts them light years ahead of the other suppliers. I've always trusted Napa too, but original 72 C10s had different MCs for power and non-power applications, so if there is a seller out there that realizes this, I'd have a warmer fuzzy going with their part # for a non-power setup than rolling the dice on one about which a parts guy just said "they're all the same" when they are not - for several reasons outlined above. I've had much better luck with LMC than CPP for brake parts, believe it or not. I too would prefer to purchase one at a local dealer like a Napa, but if you (now) know that there are two separate MCs for two different applications - I'd personally prefer to go with the vendor that understands the system. Having said all that - if you don't want excess pedal pressure, it sounds like you actually want power brakes. You can easily buy a booster at any parts store and source the stock bracket/links/etc from the parts board here from someone parting a truck, or go with member CaptainFab's custom booster bracket that will tuck everything closer to the firewall. 5th picture down in this thread Last edited by jocko; 06-16-2020 at 07:53 PM. |
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Re: Manual Disc master cylinder
From what I've read on this forum, the master cylinders for our trucks are either 7/8", 1", or 1-1/8" bore. The 7/8" is for manual brakes and the 1-1/8" is for power brakes. It looks like the 1" bore can be used for either.
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Re: Manual Disc master cylinder
I just looked up the napa m/c. They only list the 1 1/8 bore. Have yet to see a bore size of 7/8 unless it's for drum maybe. The only one for 1 inch is for aftermarket M/C from what i can tell so far. Could it be that they used to make and now they just don't.
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Re: Manual Disc master cylinder
I was referring to manual drum/ drum , front and rear..sorry ? They call for a different master.
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Curious if the plug you mentioned was in the back of the piston facing the firewall - if so, then that really does sound dual purpose (i.e. would support the short intermediate pushrod used with a booster, or, removed, the long pushrod for the non-power setup). |
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Re: Manual Disc master cylinder
Doesn't matter much what the vehicle is if the rest of the parts are the same or similar. What's the problem with putting a Corvette master cylinder on a rat rod if it has basically the same brake setup and the weight is close? It's no different than how car companies share parts across a number of brands or vehicles within a brand. I just put a brand new hydroboost unit and Corvette master cylinder on my '68 C10 with disc/drum brakes to replace manual drum/drum setup. Should work fine. Certainly way better than the stock setup. I'll know in about a week or so when it's back on the road.
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Re: Manual Disc master cylinder
CPP is the only one I've seen with a removable plug.
Original type MC have deep hole for manual and shallow hole for vacuum power boost. Bore diameter is a different issue. 1 1/8" bore without power assist may require a considerable amount of foot pressure.
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Re: Manual Disc master cylinder
Go to Napa ask for a New brake master for a 75 C10 (less expensive than 71-72 and same dimensions. Put it up to a booster or not if you want manual brakes. To my knowledge there’s no difference between power and manual brake masters.
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Re: Manual Disc master cylinder
Look at an 84 c10 manual brakes master cylinder
Aluminum body plastic reservoir
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Re: Manual Disc master cylinder
I am just about to do this exact thing to my '68.
This is what the local Federated Auto Parts Store got me. They also didn't show 2 different PN#'s. I ordered this for a 72 C10 with a l6 and no options. I sure would like to figure this out before the truck gets tore down. I'm thinking about sending it back and getting this instead: https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Alumi...nder,8905.html ---> Subscribed <---
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Re: Manual Disc master cylinder
I wanted to bring this back up. Can we confirm the factory never produced a 1/2 ton 71-72 truck with factory manual disc brakes, or nobody can provide a picture of what the master cylinder looked like or provide any evidence it happened? If power brakes on a C-10 were an option, they must have been such a popular option that 100% trucks got the option. Is that right? Or is it too long since 1972 and every truck in the years has been messed with to add the power brake option by going to junk yards or parts stores?
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