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wHATANERD · 12-21-2003, 10:28 PM

I just got a Edelbrock 600 CFM model # 1406 in install in my 69. My truck is equiped with a TH400, and cannot figure out how to get the linkage to work with the kickdown switch, If anyone has photos or a suggestion on how this is accomplished it would be greatly appericiated.

shuttermutt · 12-22-2003, 12:37 AM

Can you post pics of what you've got? Knowing exactly what you're facing can help a great deal.

wHATANERD · 12-22-2003, 12:39 AM

Sure, have some posted shortly

wHATANERD · 12-22-2003, 12:53 AM

attached is a photo of what I have to work with, The carb on the truck is a Holley 600, The Throttle linkage is attached above the large hole, on the Edelbrock this hole does not exist, the Edelbrock also does not have the holes to attach the bracket the presses the th400 kickdown switch @ full throttle.

Cat Fuzz · 12-22-2003, 01:43 AM

I had the same problem. I set the switch on the bench for installation at a later date. That was 3 or 4 years ago.

I've been running without it.

dinnut · 12-22-2003, 01:54 AM

email edelbrock about or talk to someone at a speedshop

BLACK AND BLUE 67-72 · 12-22-2003, 04:18 AM

I believe that Edelbrock makes a kit for this.

dinnut · 12-22-2003, 04:37 AM

thats what i figured also. thats why i thought you should email them...
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/install2.html
try there...

70ChevyLongbed · 12-22-2003, 10:38 AM

I had the same problem. I had to get the kickdown stud (which I thought should come with the carb) and I got the universal bracket, but this one should work.

70ChevyLongbed · 12-22-2003, 10:39 AM

I used this hole and it works fine.

**COBALT** · 12-22-2003, 12:35 PM

I did a couple of FAQ's on this in the other forum. Check these out:

Custom Kickdown for TH400...

...and...

Adapting throttle rod to new carburetor...

This was all for my Edelbrock 1406. Have fun.

wHATANERD · 12-22-2003, 12:37 PM

I don't see how the hole marked with a blue arrow can work for this application, the throttle rod on the truck pulls towards the firewall, for this hole to work the throttle rod would have to pushed toward the radiator to accelerate.

wHATANERD · 12-22-2003, 12:48 PM

Cobalt, Thanks for the links, I will try to get the Mr Gasket adapter, as for the kickdown, it may need to wait, I'm not sure it the solinoid in the trans is working anyways.

70ChevyLongbed · 12-22-2003, 01:32 PM

I’m no expert, but my kickdown cable pulls forward (toward the radiator) to engage the lower gear, which is why it pivots opposite the throttle. Full throttle = kickdown engages.

In this pic the throttle is back, or near full, and the cable should engage somewhere near this point. The green arrows show the motion of the throttle with the motion of the kickdown. The yellow shows the pivot point.

shuttermutt · 12-22-2003, 03:00 PM

Is that little box with the plunger on it and the red/orange wire heading down your TH400 kickdown switch or is it the switch that they used for A/C equipped trucks (don't remember exactly what it did)?

shuttermutt · 12-22-2003, 04:27 PM

Does anyone know? I've got one of these for my TH400 truck, but it's not connected. I'm wondering A) if it truly is a kick-down and B) if so, how it's wired.

shuttermutt · 12-22-2003, 04:52 PM

A/C Idle Compensator! That's what I meant to ask. Is that your idle compensator or your kickdown?

70ChevyLongbed · 12-22-2003, 04:56 PM

I don't think that's the kickdown (No A/C here) The kickdown cable appears to go past that.

shuttermutt · 12-22-2003, 05:09 PM

Hmmm... isn't that an A/C compressor I see over in the top-right corner? Also, wHATANERD says, "the Edelbrock also does not have the holes to attach the bracket th[at] presses the th400 kickdown switch @ full throttle." That's why I assumed the switch with the red/orange wire might be the kickdown switch. The only other thing I could imagine it being is the A/C idle compensator.

shuttermutt · 12-22-2003, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shuttermutt
Hmmm... isn't that an A/C compressor I see over in the top-left corner of the picture? Also, wHATANERD says, "the Edelbrock also does not have the holes to attach the bracket th[at] presses the th400 kickdown switch @ full throttle." That's why I assumed the switch with the red/orange wire might be the kickdown switch. The only other thing I could imagine it being is the A/C idle compensator.

wHATANERD · 12-22-2003, 10:36 PM

The switch is the Kickdown for the Turbo 400 Transmission, My truck was a non air conditioned truck, the Compressor is an aftermarket for an under dash unit.

wHATANERD · 12-22-2003, 10:39 PM

I went to a speed shop today, and bought the Lokar parts that Cobalt mentioned in the links above, I now have the Edelbrock on the truck, and have the trottle connected, I will be working on the kickdown, and cruise control cables in the morning, when doneI'll submit some pictures, Thanks everyone for the help.

70ChevyLongbed · 12-23-2003, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 70ChevyLongbed
I don't think that's the kickdown (No A/C here) The kickdown cable appears to go past that.

Mutt,

I wasn't very clear... by "(No A/C here)" I meant I don't have A/C on my truck

and I should have added that I was guessing, cuz my cable looks like that, just without those wires and the box.

I should read what I type :p !!

70ChevyLongbed · 12-23-2003, 12:14 AM

wHat,

Can't wait to see em!

shuttermutt · 12-23-2003, 01:44 AM

Sweet! That means the thing on the floorboard is a kickdown and not an A/C idle compensator. Looks like I've found another little proejct, eh?

12-21-2003, 10:28 PM	#1
wHATANERD Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Uvalde, Tx Posts: 407	Edelbrock 600 CFM Performer installation I just got a Edelbrock 600 CFM model # 1406 in install in my 69. My truck is equiped with a TH400, and cannot figure out how to get the linkage to work with the kickdown switch, If anyone has photos or a suggestion on how this is accomplished it would be greatly appericiated. __________________ 1969 C/10 Longbed undergoing rebuild. Old Chevy's Never Die, They Just Rust Around The Edges

12-22-2003, 12:37 AM	#2
shuttermutt Don't say "Oops!", Doctor Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 677	Can you post pics of what you've got? Knowing exactly what you're facing can help a great deal. __________________ 'Mutt 1968 CST LWB: R.I.P. 1967 Chevelle: TPI 454 beast 1967 C10 SWB: Claimed when Bumpster didn't put it on his list

12-22-2003, 12:39 AM	#3
wHATANERD Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Uvalde, Tx Posts: 407	Sure, have some posted shortly __________________ 1969 C/10 Longbed undergoing rebuild. Old Chevy's Never Die, They Just Rust Around The Edges

12-22-2003, 12:53 AM	#4
wHATANERD Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Uvalde, Tx Posts: 407	problems attached is a photo of what I have to work with, The carb on the truck is a Holley 600, The Throttle linkage is attached above the large hole, on the Edelbrock this hole does not exist, the Edelbrock also does not have the holes to attach the bracket the presses the th400 kickdown switch @ full throttle. Attached Images __________________ 1969 C/10 Longbed undergoing rebuild. Old Chevy's Never Die, They Just Rust Around The Edges

12-22-2003, 01:54 AM	#6
dinnut Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: missouri city, tx Posts: 4,486	email edelbrock about or talk to someone at a speedshop __________________ 70 longbed 496/th400/Ford 9"

12-22-2003, 01:43 AM	#5
Cat Fuzz My son, my joy. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 463	I had the same problem. I set the switch on the bench for installation at a later date. That was 3 or 4 years ago. I've been running without it.

12-22-2003, 04:18 AM	#7
BLACK AND BLUE 67-72 Firefighter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Yellville, Ar, USA Posts: 1,943	I believe that Edelbrock makes a kit for this. __________________ '72 Chevy SWB 350 Auto '67 GMC LWB 350 4 speed '70 Chevy 4x4 Stepside 350 Auto Yellville, Ar. USA

12-22-2003, 04:37 AM	#8
dinnut Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: missouri city, tx Posts: 4,486	thats what i figured also. thats why i thought you should email them... http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/install2.html try there... __________________ 70 longbed 496/th400/Ford 9"

12-22-2003, 10:38 AM	#9
70ChevyLongbed Howzit?!? Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 1,265	I had the same problem. I had to get the kickdown stud (which I thought should come with the carb) and I got the universal bracket, but this one should work. __________________ Jason Hawaiian-J 70 Longbed, 307, Edelbrock Carb 1404, Edelbrock Intake 2101, Dual Roller Timing chain and gears, 214/214 cam, Comp Roller Rockers, dual Flowmasters. 1999 Chevy Tahoe 2004 Mini Cooper S 71 BMW 2002 - Sold

12-22-2003, 10:39 AM	#10
70ChevyLongbed Howzit?!? Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 1,265	I used this hole and it works fine. __________________ Jason Hawaiian-J 70 Longbed, 307, Edelbrock Carb 1404, Edelbrock Intake 2101, Dual Roller Timing chain and gears, 214/214 cam, Comp Roller Rockers, dual Flowmasters. 1999 Chevy Tahoe 2004 Mini Cooper S 71 BMW 2002 - Sold

12-22-2003, 12:35 PM	#11
COBALT Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 5,817	I did a couple of FAQ's on this in the other forum. Check these out: Custom Kickdown for TH400... ...and... Adapting throttle rod to new carburetor... This was all for my Edelbrock 1406. Have fun. __________________ '69 3/4 ton C20 2wd-350ci/TH400 '69 3/4 ton Custom 20 2wd-350ci/4sp Manual '99 2wd 5.7 Chevy Tahoe Seattle, WA.

12-22-2003, 12:37 PM	#12
wHATANERD Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Uvalde, Tx Posts: 407	I don't see how the hole marked with a blue arrow can work for this application, the throttle rod on the truck pulls towards the firewall, for this hole to work the throttle rod would have to pushed toward the radiator to accelerate. __________________ 1969 C/10 Longbed undergoing rebuild. Old Chevy's Never Die, They Just Rust Around The Edges

12-22-2003, 12:48 PM	#13
wHATANERD Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Uvalde, Tx Posts: 407	Cobalt, Thanks for the links, I will try to get the Mr Gasket adapter, as for the kickdown, it may need to wait, I'm not sure it the solinoid in the trans is working anyways. __________________ 1969 C/10 Longbed undergoing rebuild. Old Chevy's Never Die, They Just Rust Around The Edges

12-22-2003, 01:32 PM	#14
70ChevyLongbed Howzit?!? Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 1,265	I’m no expert, but my kickdown cable pulls forward (toward the radiator) to engage the lower gear, which is why it pivots opposite the throttle. Full throttle = kickdown engages. In this pic the throttle is back, or near full, and the cable should engage somewhere near this point. The green arrows show the motion of the throttle with the motion of the kickdown. The yellow shows the pivot point. __________________ Jason Hawaiian-J 70 Longbed, 307, Edelbrock Carb 1404, Edelbrock Intake 2101, Dual Roller Timing chain and gears, 214/214 cam, Comp Roller Rockers, dual Flowmasters. 1999 Chevy Tahoe 2004 Mini Cooper S 71 BMW 2002 - Sold

12-22-2003, 03:00 PM	#15
shuttermutt Don't say "Oops!", Doctor Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 677	Is that little box with the plunger on it and the red/orange wire heading down your TH400 kickdown switch or is it the switch that they used for A/C equipped trucks (don't remember exactly what it did)? __________________ 'Mutt 1968 CST LWB: R.I.P. 1967 Chevelle: TPI 454 beast 1967 C10 SWB: Claimed when Bumpster didn't put it on his list



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12-22-2003, 04:27 PM	#16
shuttermutt Don't say "Oops!", Doctor Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 677	Does anyone know? I've got one of these for my TH400 truck, but it's not connected. I'm wondering A) if it truly is a kick-down and B) if so, how it's wired. __________________ 'Mutt 1968 CST LWB: R.I.P. 1967 Chevelle: TPI 454 beast 1967 C10 SWB: Claimed when Bumpster didn't put it on his list

12-22-2003, 04:52 PM	#17
shuttermutt Don't say "Oops!", Doctor Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 677	A/C Idle Compensator! That's what I meant to ask. Is that your idle compensator or your kickdown? __________________ 'Mutt 1968 CST LWB: R.I.P. 1967 Chevelle: TPI 454 beast 1967 C10 SWB: Claimed when Bumpster didn't put it on his list

12-22-2003, 04:56 PM	#18
70ChevyLongbed Howzit?!? Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 1,265	I don't think that's the kickdown (No A/C here) The kickdown cable appears to go past that. __________________ Jason Hawaiian-J 70 Longbed, 307, Edelbrock Carb 1404, Edelbrock Intake 2101, Dual Roller Timing chain and gears, 214/214 cam, Comp Roller Rockers, dual Flowmasters. 1999 Chevy Tahoe 2004 Mini Cooper S 71 BMW 2002 - Sold

12-22-2003, 05:09 PM	#19
shuttermutt Don't say "Oops!", Doctor Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 677	Hmmm... isn't that an A/C compressor I see over in the top-right corner? Also, wHATANERD says, "the Edelbrock also does not have the holes to attach the bracket th[at] presses the th400 kickdown switch @ full throttle." That's why I assumed the switch with the red/orange wire might be the kickdown switch. The only other thing I could imagine it being is the A/C idle compensator. __________________ 'Mutt 1968 CST LWB: R.I.P. 1967 Chevelle: TPI 454 beast 1967 C10 SWB: Claimed when Bumpster didn't put it on his list

12-22-2003, 10:36 PM	#21
wHATANERD Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Uvalde, Tx Posts: 407	Kickdown The switch is the Kickdown for the Turbo 400 Transmission, My truck was a non air conditioned truck, the Compressor is an aftermarket for an under dash unit. __________________ 1969 C/10 Longbed undergoing rebuild. Old Chevy's Never Die, They Just Rust Around The Edges

12-22-2003, 10:39 PM	#22
wHATANERD Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Uvalde, Tx Posts: 407	almost done I went to a speed shop today, and bought the Lokar parts that Cobalt mentioned in the links above, I now have the Edelbrock on the truck, and have the trottle connected, I will be working on the kickdown, and cruise control cables in the morning, when doneI'll submit some pictures, Thanks everyone for the help. __________________ 1969 C/10 Longbed undergoing rebuild. Old Chevy's Never Die, They Just Rust Around The Edges

12-23-2003, 12:14 AM	#24
70ChevyLongbed Howzit?!? Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 1,265	wHat, Can't wait to see em! __________________ Jason Hawaiian-J 70 Longbed, 307, Edelbrock Carb 1404, Edelbrock Intake 2101, Dual Roller Timing chain and gears, 214/214 cam, Comp Roller Rockers, dual Flowmasters. 1999 Chevy Tahoe 2004 Mini Cooper S 71 BMW 2002 - Sold

12-23-2003, 01:44 AM	#25
shuttermutt Don't say "Oops!", Doctor Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 677	Sweet! That means the thing on the floorboard is a kickdown and not an A/C idle compensator. Looks like I've found another little proejct, eh? __________________ 'Mutt 1968 CST LWB: R.I.P. 1967 Chevelle: TPI 454 beast 1967 C10 SWB: Claimed when Bumpster didn't put it on his list

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