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angelsairman · 02-01-2004, 01:24 PM

I posted last night about my problem with my power steering bracket. Ragin Rat was most helpful with some pictuer to help my with the configuration of the brackets but now im in another dilema. The brackets im using are off of the orignal 1971 307 i yanked out. I dropped in an 80's 350. When mounted the power steering pulley lines up with the inside of the crank pulley and the water pump pulley. I know this is supposed to be on the front. Was there a diffrence in the pump sytle brackets?? I was going to shim out the bracket but id have to shim it quite a bit and then i wouldnt be able to bolt the bracket to the motor mount as it would bring it out to far. Has aony else had this problem?? Anyone have any solutions??? Id appreciate it!!

*rage'nrat638* · 02-01-2004, 02:00 PM

HERE'S ALL I GOT.....you can just see the crank pulley

Tx Firefighter · 02-01-2004, 02:13 PM

It really sounds like you are running a combination of both long and short pump parts.

Are you using the water pump, water pump pulley, or crankshaft pulley off of the 80s 350?

angelsairman · 02-01-2004, 02:55 PM

the pulley on the water pump is also from the 307, as for the water pump im not sure which one i have im going to be out in the garge here in a bit and ill take some digitals and post them maybe that will help diagnose my problem better.

72MARIO · 02-01-2004, 03:03 PM

Yep.

I am trying to run a long water pump( I got it brand new for $30 CDN) I though it would work. I ended up looking in a auto wreckers and grabbing every pully and bracket I could find. The problem is the power steering pump. I need one with a shorter pupm shaft. I am running a passengers side alt and a singlew grove pully on the water pump. There is no way to adjust the alt belt placement so I have to change the powersteering pump. I dont know it i am helping of just blabbing ...... Whatever.

*racedvl* · 02-01-2004, 03:38 PM

I am running a long set up on my 69. The 2 biggest problems on my set-up is. . . .

1. I cannot use the factory fan shroud.
2. I have headers and had a problem with fully mounting the p/s pump on my engine. I did how ever find this bracket in the local bone yard and it saved my ass.

*racedvl* · 02-01-2004, 03:39 PM

BTW, I do plan on painting it and make it look much nicer.

angelsairman · 02-01-2004, 05:34 PM

ok heres the pics of the mess im in, come to find out the Alt sits back so far that doesnt even hit a pulley!! RaginRat suggested 3 groove pulley on bottom and 2 groove on top...think this will fix my dilema?? Im at my wits end on this thing ive been working on it in 0 degree temps and i need it running soon....any help would be greatly appreciated.....

Tx Firefighter · 02-01-2004, 05:38 PM

Looking close at the picture, you have a long water pump and maybe long pump pulleys.

The power steering is for short pump.

That is the problem. No fancy pulley work will make it right. You need all of the stuff to match.

Tx Firefighter · 02-01-2004, 05:42 PM

Get the pulleys from the old 307. Using the original (short pump) water pump and crank pulleys along with the proper short water pump will make it work properly.

angelsairman · 02-01-2004, 06:04 PM

these are the orignal pulleys off of the 307.... the Alt sots to far back to hit any pulley and the pwr steering only hits the inside pulley on the crank. So if i go to a short pump wont that bring the pulley on the water pump closer to the block then i wont have any pulley but the pwr steering lined up with the crank pulley..now im more confused than when i started HAHAHAHA

*rage'nrat638* · 02-01-2004, 06:07 PM

did you get my p.m.'s/?

Tx Firefighter · 02-01-2004, 06:08 PM

The picture is hard for me to see the pulleys well. Did they line up with the power steering before?

angelsairman · 02-01-2004, 06:15 PM

yup got your pm's rat and sent ya one back, as for hte pulleys lining up before well all the brackets and pulleys came off of the 307 that i yanked out and it was all working fine when i yanked it i have no idea how this came to happen

angelsairman · 02-01-2004, 06:19 PM

heres a side view

Tx Firefighter · 02-01-2004, 06:24 PM

That bottom pulley is wrong. It's too deep. It's for a long pump setup. Look close at those ones on ebay (which you're winning I see), they aren't deeply offset like the one above is. They are the correct ones.

You've also got a long water pump on there. You need the short one.

By the way, don't bid too crazy on those Ebay pulleys. Teeitup or someone like that can sell you ones for a good price.

*racedvl* · 02-01-2004, 06:24 PM

Looks like a long water pump to me.

Tx Firefighter · 02-01-2004, 06:30 PM

I went out to the garage and got a picture of one for you.

This is the proper short water pump crankshaft pulley. See how shallow it is compared to the one in your picture?

*rage'nrat638* · 02-01-2004, 06:31 PM

TX ....is right ....short water pump and those pulleys and you will be set buddy......
are we having fun yet

angelsairman · 02-01-2004, 06:33 PM

i love this board, i really appreciate all the help guys you can be sure to see more pics of this beast once i get the rest of this together. once again i really appreciate it...

*rage'nrat638* · 02-01-2004, 07:13 PM

you did it

68c10owner · 02-01-2004, 07:40 PM

i just got done road testing my 68 after doing a pwr steering swap about 15 minutes ago. i used the box and pump and lines from a 71. my truck also has a long water pump. everything bolted up fine but i did have to use a triple groove crank pulley for a long water pump. the alt. uses the outside groove and the pwr steering used the next groove in. it doesn`t line up totally but it`s close enough for me. also, i had a few setbacks when converting mt manual box to pwr. the outer bumper bracket is different and had to be removed. the rag joint coupler is different splines and the return line hard line was straight up and down. i had to bend the line a bit and notch the inner fender to get clearance for the line. i could have just bought a new line i guess but i did`nt want to spend anymore money than i had to. all i can say is it was worth any trouble cuz it turns alot better and the power box isn`t sloppy line the manual was. good luck.

Rod · 02-02-2004, 01:32 AM

This pic shows three correct power steering pumps. There are differences between pulley alignment location.

02-01-2004, 01:24 PM	#1
angelsairman Future Owner Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Grand Forks AFB, ND Posts: 151	Pwr Steering Bracket Help!! I posted last night about my problem with my power steering bracket. Ragin Rat was most helpful with some pictuer to help my with the configuration of the brackets but now im in another dilema. The brackets im using are off of the orignal 1971 307 i yanked out. I dropped in an 80's 350. When mounted the power steering pulley lines up with the inside of the crank pulley and the water pump pulley. I know this is supposed to be on the front. Was there a diffrence in the pump sytle brackets?? I was going to shim out the bracket but id have to shim it quite a bit and then i wouldnt be able to bolt the bracket to the motor mount as it would bring it out to far. Has aony else had this problem?? Anyone have any solutions??? Id appreciate it!! __________________ Its not the end result that counts most...its the journey along the way that's most rewarding My truck doesn't leak, it just marks it's territory

02-01-2004, 02:00 PM	#2
rage'nrat638 Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: THE FALL GUY CHICAGO IL Posts: 5,883	HERE'S ALL I GOT.....you can just see the crank pulley Last edited by rage'nrat638; 07-12-2007 at 07:07 AM.

02-01-2004, 02:13 PM	#3
Tx Firefighter Watch out for your cornhole ! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Azle, Texas Posts: 14,162	It really sounds like you are running a combination of both long and short pump parts. Are you using the water pump, water pump pulley, or crankshaft pulley off of the 80s 350? __________________ I'm on the Instagram- @Gearhead_Kevin

02-01-2004, 02:55 PM	#4
angelsairman Future Owner Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Grand Forks AFB, ND Posts: 151	the pulley on the water pump is also from the 307, as for the water pump im not sure which one i have im going to be out in the garge here in a bit and ill take some digitals and post them maybe that will help diagnose my problem better. __________________ Its not the end result that counts most...its the journey along the way that's most rewarding My truck doesn't leak, it just marks it's territory

02-01-2004, 03:03 PM	#5
72MARIO Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Huntsville Ontario Canada Posts: 4,052	Yep. I am trying to run a long water pump( I got it brand new for $30 CDN) I though it would work. I ended up looking in a auto wreckers and grabbing every pully and bracket I could find. The problem is the power steering pump. I need one with a shorter pupm shaft. I am running a passengers side alt and a singlew grove pully on the water pump. There is no way to adjust the alt belt placement so I have to change the powersteering pump. I dont know it i am helping of just blabbing ...... Whatever. __________________ 1968 Suburban numbers matching all original truck now equipped with 6.0/4L80 on Accuair http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=625017 1967 C/20 6.0/4L80 Roofing Truck 1990 V2500 Suburban "Plow Truck" 2005 TAHOE DD

02-01-2004, 03:38 PM	#6
racedvl Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Woodstock, IL Posts: 7,020	I am running a long set up on my 69. The 2 biggest problems on my set-up is. . . . 1. I cannot use the factory fan shroud. 2. I have headers and had a problem with fully mounting the p/s pump on my engine. I did how ever find this bracket in the local bone yard and it saved my ass. Attached Images

02-01-2004, 03:39 PM	#7
racedvl Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Woodstock, IL Posts: 7,020	BTW, I do plan on painting it and make it look much nicer. Attached Images

02-01-2004, 05:34 PM	#8
angelsairman Future Owner Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Grand Forks AFB, ND Posts: 151	ok heres the pics of the mess im in, come to find out the Alt sits back so far that doesnt even hit a pulley!! RaginRat suggested 3 groove pulley on bottom and 2 groove on top...think this will fix my dilema?? Im at my wits end on this thing ive been working on it in 0 degree temps and i need it running soon....any help would be greatly appreciated..... Attached Images __________________ Its not the end result that counts most...its the journey along the way that's most rewarding My truck doesn't leak, it just marks it's territory

02-01-2004, 05:38 PM	#9
Tx Firefighter Watch out for your cornhole ! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Azle, Texas Posts: 14,162	Looking close at the picture, you have a long water pump and maybe long pump pulleys. The power steering is for short pump. That is the problem. No fancy pulley work will make it right. You need all of the stuff to match. __________________ I'm on the Instagram- @Gearhead_Kevin Last edited by Tx Firefighter; 02-01-2004 at 05:40 PM.

02-01-2004, 05:42 PM	#10
Tx Firefighter Watch out for your cornhole ! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Azle, Texas Posts: 14,162	Get the pulleys from the old 307. Using the original (short pump) water pump and crank pulleys along with the proper short water pump will make it work properly. __________________ I'm on the Instagram- @Gearhead_Kevin

02-01-2004, 06:04 PM	#11
angelsairman Future Owner Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Grand Forks AFB, ND Posts: 151	these are the orignal pulleys off of the 307.... the Alt sots to far back to hit any pulley and the pwr steering only hits the inside pulley on the crank. So if i go to a short pump wont that bring the pulley on the water pump closer to the block then i wont have any pulley but the pwr steering lined up with the crank pulley..now im more confused than when i started HAHAHAHA __________________ Its not the end result that counts most...its the journey along the way that's most rewarding My truck doesn't leak, it just marks it's territory Last edited by angelsairman; 02-01-2004 at 06:10 PM.

02-01-2004, 06:07 PM	#12
rage'nrat638 Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: THE FALL GUY CHICAGO IL Posts: 5,883	did you get my p.m.'s/?

02-01-2004, 06:08 PM	#13
Tx Firefighter Watch out for your cornhole ! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Azle, Texas Posts: 14,162	The picture is hard for me to see the pulleys well. Did they line up with the power steering before? __________________ I'm on the Instagram- @Gearhead_Kevin

02-01-2004, 06:15 PM	#14
angelsairman Future Owner Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Grand Forks AFB, ND Posts: 151	yup got your pm's rat and sent ya one back, as for hte pulleys lining up before well all the brackets and pulleys came off of the 307 that i yanked out and it was all working fine when i yanked it i have no idea how this came to happen __________________ Its not the end result that counts most...its the journey along the way that's most rewarding My truck doesn't leak, it just marks it's territory

02-01-2004, 06:19 PM	#15
angelsairman Future Owner Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Grand Forks AFB, ND Posts: 151	heres a side view Attached Images __________________ Its not the end result that counts most...its the journey along the way that's most rewarding My truck doesn't leak, it just marks it's territory



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02-01-2004, 06:24 PM	#16
Tx Firefighter Watch out for your cornhole ! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Azle, Texas Posts: 14,162	That bottom pulley is wrong. It's too deep. It's for a long pump setup. Look close at those ones on ebay (which you're winning I see), they aren't deeply offset like the one above is. They are the correct ones. You've also got a long water pump on there. You need the short one. By the way, don't bid too crazy on those Ebay pulleys. Teeitup or someone like that can sell you ones for a good price. __________________ I'm on the Instagram- @Gearhead_Kevin

02-01-2004, 06:30 PM	#18
Tx Firefighter Watch out for your cornhole ! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Azle, Texas Posts: 14,162	I went out to the garage and got a picture of one for you. This is the proper short water pump crankshaft pulley. See how shallow it is compared to the one in your picture? __________________ I'm on the Instagram- @Gearhead_Kevin

02-01-2004, 06:31 PM	#19
rage'nrat638 Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: THE FALL GUY CHICAGO IL Posts: 5,883	TX ....is right ....short water pump and those pulleys and you will be set buddy...... are we having fun yet

02-01-2004, 06:33 PM	#20
angelsairman Future Owner Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Grand Forks AFB, ND Posts: 151	i love this board, i really appreciate all the help guys you can be sure to see more pics of this beast once i get the rest of this together. once again i really appreciate it... __________________ Its not the end result that counts most...its the journey along the way that's most rewarding My truck doesn't leak, it just marks it's territory

02-01-2004, 07:13 PM	#21
rage'nrat638 Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: THE FALL GUY CHICAGO IL Posts: 5,883	you did it

02-01-2004, 07:40 PM	#22
68c10owner Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Carmichael, California Posts: 3,006	i just got done road testing my 68 after doing a pwr steering swap about 15 minutes ago. i used the box and pump and lines from a 71. my truck also has a long water pump. everything bolted up fine but i did have to use a triple groove crank pulley for a long water pump. the alt. uses the outside groove and the pwr steering used the next groove in. it doesn`t line up totally but it`s close enough for me. also, i had a few setbacks when converting mt manual box to pwr. the outer bumper bracket is different and had to be removed. the rag joint coupler is different splines and the return line hard line was straight up and down. i had to bend the line a bit and notch the inner fender to get clearance for the line. i could have just bought a new line i guess but i did`nt want to spend anymore money than i had to. all i can say is it was worth any trouble cuz it turns alot better and the power box isn`t sloppy line the manual was. good luck. __________________ Anthony

02-02-2004, 01:32 AM	#23
Rod Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Eastern - Manitoba Canada, Winnipeg Posts: 4,369	This pic shows three correct power steering pumps. There are differences between pulley alignment location. Attached Images __________________ Senior active founding member. 70 3/4 ton GMC Suburban 4x4 250/4 spd. 71 1/2 ton Suburban Chevy 4x4, 350/350 72 Chev 1 ton tow truck 402BB w/Holmes 440 wrecker on propane 2005 FLSTSCI Harley Springer 85 FXSB Harley Lowrider 72 Triumph 650 Bonneville 5spd "Poor people don't have hobbies" Quote from wife.

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