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1972 Glovebox tag Decode?
I just purchased this 1972 C-10 shortbed stepside. (See my other post for pictures.) The 396 and Crager wheels are obviously not factory original but I have some questions about some of the other equipment / model number listed on the glovebox. Besides those things, the truck appears pretty much stock. The door vin matches the glovebox vin and all the panels are very solid.
Because of the size restrictions I do not know how well you can see the picture so I will try to list what it says in hopes someone can decode or lead me to a site that has this information. Model number - CE10934 What is involved with the "Cheyenne Equipment"? What is the Belt Molding, Below eyeline mirror, Tool and Stowage? Why wouldnt the factory tach be listed here? Does anyone know how many Stepside Cheyenne pickups were produced in 1972 and can anyone provide a rough estimate of what is worth (for insurance purposes). Is this a fairly high option truck or about average for this year? Thanks for the help.
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I think that your truck is a cut down long bed, the wheelbase in shortbeds are 115 in. lond and longbeds are 127 in, somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
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Also the Tool and Stowage option was only available in longbed's I've never seen one in a shortbed.
If the factory tach isn't listed there, then the truck didn't come with one, does your tach go to 5k or 7k?, if is the later is a camaro tach.
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127 is a longbed and the tool and stowage option could only be had on a fleet side bed's as far as I know... Good eye fat man
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If it isn't a cut frame truck it is at least a swapped cab. Compare the vin number on your title to the glove box, drivers door tag, and the frame vin on the to of the frame near the steering gear box. That will help you figure out what has been done.
Tach's are one of the easiest options to add. They make them in reproduction plus there are many originals out there.
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Looks like your truck may be a Cheyenne "clone". Good news is it does not detract from it's value. I'd be disappointed if PO represented it as a restored original however.
I still like it ![]()
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Very interesting!
I did not know the vin was also on the frame. I will take a look there and see what I can find. The door and glovebox vin match so I am interested in what the frame is. So this truck should have been a Fleetside, Longbox instead of a Stepside, Shortbox? I do not think it is a Cheyenne Clone - the sticker does have it listed as one of the original options. Right now it just appears it was originally a 1972 Cheyenne Fleetside longbox. Did they make Cheyenne Fleetsides 2 tone? This is what is confusing. People have indicated that it is painted correctly for a Cheyenne stepside but I have only seen 3 tone Cheyenne fleetsides. So it seem, to me at least, the sticker is saying 2 different things - Cheyenne Fleetside Longbox AND 2 tone Light Olive/Dark Olive (in that order). The originality of the truck was not my major concern. I was just trying to learn a little more about it. When I purchased the truck I knew that it was stock - not a factory big block, custom wheels, pioneer system, and it certainly does not sound stock. My concern that is was a nice solid pickup that I could have fun with.
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Okay, I just went out and took a look at the frame. The number on the frame was 2S123470. So now I know all 3 vins match. I measured and it was 115" and there are no signs of it ever being cut. There is not much paint left on the frame (I hope to repaint it this year) and there are no marks from any cutting, welding, or grinding.
So, what is going on?!!
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Could it be someone replaced the glovebox door?
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If the glovebox door was replaced the vin would not be the same. I do not know if there is anyone out there who reproduces these glovebox stickers but this one looks like the original and has never been removed.
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Maybe the 127 on there was a mistake from the factory.
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Could be a mistake. It also lists the Tool and Stowage option which does not sound correct.
Other than that, everything else seems right. How do I decode the model number? That should also say if it is a stepside or fleetside, correct?
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I have seen frames that have been restamped mainly to allow for a state inspection to pass for titling. Some states require a frame and cab vin to match. Those stamping number tools are readily available and used for machine shops and die makers to id blocks and stampings. Some frames don't even have the number stamped up front but hidden back under the cab area on top of the rail. Even so a good grinding and a light coat of all metal and you erased the original numbers. A simple restamp in the same area and no one could tell if it was original or not.
I would think this was the case after the frame was changed to a 115" frame since you found no weld marks behine the cab mount where it would have been shortened and the old cab was installed. Someone wasn't too worried about originallity because they left the glove box decal too. The glove box label has no errors on it as it fully was built with several fleetside options as stepsides never used mouldings upper or lower and if I saw it right "deluxe" two tone paint which requires mouldings to break the center band color on the sides and tailgate. Nice truck though and I would believe more loaded shortboxes on the road today never left the factory that way! Mark
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'66 CST BBW swb fleet 327 fac ac '67 CST 4x4 swb 327 stepside project '72 Cheyenne K20 50k original '72 Cheyenne Super K20 project '73 Sierra swb 4x4 frame off in paint stage '74 Cheyenne Super swb w/16k actual '71 & 72 Cheyenne K10 4x4 swb's '70 426 HEMICUDA conv SHAKER 4 sp Dana 60 '60 Impala conv 327 PG fac ac loaded 3rd owner '72 GMC K2500 4x4 '59 Apache CST BBW fleetside swb 283 '73 ElCamino SS LS1 T56 true SS bucket tach '76 ElCamino SS 52k survivor '87 Grand National 41k True 2nd to last built in 1987. '86 K30 454 SRW fleetside CA since new '88 Trans Am GTA 39k bought new 2018 DEMON plum crazy @ 840HP! "Need for speed" |
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Thanks Hotfun for the input.
It seems like a lot of work to do for such an "average" restoration. It does not appear like it was a frame off resto but who knows. The truck (both cab and box) was painted while it was sitting on that frame so if it was changed, it was done many years ago. Purhaps the truck was in an accident early in its life? I also found the vin number on edge of the door. Any other places to look?
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Question on Vin decode
I am starting to get some catalogs for the truck.
In the LMC catalog they have the breakdown for the vin. Here is what it broke down to. Can anyone verify? C - (1972's start with another C for 13 number vin) C - 2wd E - V8 1 - 1/2 ton 4 - cab and stepside pickup box 2 - 1972 S - St. Louis 123470 - serial number The "4" is what I am wondering about. Under the truck again today and looking at the cab and the mounts, it just doesnt appear like the cab has ever been off the frame and the stamping looks factory. Just seems pretty strange to me.
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Model number - CE10934
What is involved with the "Cheyenne Equipment"? What is the Belt Molding, Below eyeline mirror, Tool and Stowage? The model # 10934 clearly is a longbox fleetside model. Belt modings were an option for the "fleetside only" and the Cheyenne fleetside would have the other body molding standard so if your saying the door label has the original GM blue sticker then I'm sure under the door panels you will see where the wholes were welded up for these mouldings one time. And the Tool storage box was a fleetside bed option. THe reason I know this is I once bought a fake factory swb big block and the way I found out was the crayon marking on the firewall was 10934. Someone had swapped the body off a longbox onto a swb frame and even made the original glove box id from a repo. I had checked the frame very well and glanced at the glove box label real quick. After I bought it I knew that 10934 factory marking was not correct and sure enough I could pick that truck apart from little details.
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'66 CST BBW swb fleet 327 fac ac '67 CST 4x4 swb 327 stepside project '72 Cheyenne K20 50k original '72 Cheyenne Super K20 project '73 Sierra swb 4x4 frame off in paint stage '74 Cheyenne Super swb w/16k actual '71 & 72 Cheyenne K10 4x4 swb's '70 426 HEMICUDA conv SHAKER 4 sp Dana 60 '60 Impala conv 327 PG fac ac loaded 3rd owner '72 GMC K2500 4x4 '59 Apache CST BBW fleetside swb 283 '73 ElCamino SS LS1 T56 true SS bucket tach '76 ElCamino SS 52k survivor '87 Grand National 41k True 2nd to last built in 1987. '86 K30 454 SRW fleetside CA since new '88 Trans Am GTA 39k bought new 2018 DEMON plum crazy @ 840HP! "Need for speed" |
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I should add that a swb fleetside model is 10734. The truck I had one time the person had made a 7 out of the 9 but I could still read the 9. In the world of #'s matching vehicles, original dealer papers, actual once placed window stickers, and build sheets are about the only real hard core proof if you are into "corvette standards" Sometimes that goes a little to far.
Mark
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'66 CST BBW swb fleet 327 fac ac '67 CST 4x4 swb 327 stepside project '72 Cheyenne K20 50k original '72 Cheyenne Super K20 project '73 Sierra swb 4x4 frame off in paint stage '74 Cheyenne Super swb w/16k actual '71 & 72 Cheyenne K10 4x4 swb's '70 426 HEMICUDA conv SHAKER 4 sp Dana 60 '60 Impala conv 327 PG fac ac loaded 3rd owner '72 GMC K2500 4x4 '59 Apache CST BBW fleetside swb 283 '73 ElCamino SS LS1 T56 true SS bucket tach '76 ElCamino SS 52k survivor '87 Grand National 41k True 2nd to last built in 1987. '86 K30 454 SRW fleetside CA since new '88 Trans Am GTA 39k bought new 2018 DEMON plum crazy @ 840HP! "Need for speed" |
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