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*FormerMember* · 10-26-2005, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by masterbeavis

And John, if the 44=4.4K is true how come the 60F wasnt rated at 6K for the front?

Tony, who said it wasn't?

**tnblazerk5** · 10-26-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by masterbeavis

there is hope

is those just covers or real rims ? and i will go out there sumtime today and get pics and measure the lugs as in the other pics

**tnblazerk5** · 10-26-2005, 01:37 PM

heres the lug measurement

**tnblazerk5** · 10-26-2005, 01:44 PM

oh yea the front of this truck is 5 lug and the rear is 10 lug same rims used both front and rear the front just uses every other lug

now i thought this thing had split rims but i got to lookin at them and now i am not sure heres a pick of the rim

back side

front side

**tnblazerk5** · 10-26-2005, 01:48 PM

heres the rear spring pack

heres the tire size

**tnblazerk5** · 10-26-2005, 01:49 PM

this is a differant rear end is it a ho52 or ho72 ?

**tnblazerk5** · 10-26-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by masterbeavis

I made a realization today about something. I think the model number coresponds with the weight capacity of the axle. What gave it away was the H110=11,000# axle. The H052 is 5,200#, and the H072 is the 7,200# axle. That would be my guess on that question.

is it 10 lug?

if a ho52 is a 5.200# and a ho72 is a 7.200# and a h110 is a 11.000 wouldnt the h110 be a 2 ton truck rear ?

Robert1970C20rstbukt · 10-26-2005, 05:53 PM

If it is 10 lugs on the rear, then it is the HO110. That rear came in C40 and C50 trucks but it looks like your truck was a special order C30 with the HD suspension upgrade.

Those are split rims, if you look next to the size it says tube type.

**tnblazerk5** · 10-26-2005, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert1970C20rstbukt

If it is 10 lugs on the rear, then it is the HO110. That rear came in C40 and C50 trucks but it looks like your truck was a special order C30 with the HD suspension upgrade.

Those are split rims, if you look next to the size it says tube type.

'thats what i thought but theres no split in the outer ring ?

Robert1970C20rstbukt · 10-26-2005, 09:40 PM

the lock ring on that kind of rim is removable, but it's a PITA to get it off. you have to get the tire iron in the right spot and pry the ring off. i've never messed with those, but that's what it says to do in the service manual.

**tnblazerk5** · 10-26-2005, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert1970C20rstbukt

the lock ring on that kind of rim is removable, but it's a PITA to get it off. you have to get the tire iron in the right spot and pry the ring off. i've never messed with those, but that's what it says to do in the service manual.

ok, i have never seen ones like that till i got to lookin at them and wondered how they came apart

**tnblazerk5** · 10-26-2005, 10:26 PM

is the frame like this on all 1 tons ?

Robert1970C20rstbukt · 10-26-2005, 10:56 PM

looks like a regular c20-c30 frame as far as i can tell.

masterbeavis · 10-27-2005, 08:14 PM

If you are going to mess with mounting and dismounting split rim tires, wrap a chain around the rim/tire assembly. I have heard many a story of old timers having the halves seperate and making holes in whatever they contact.

**tnblazerk5** · 10-27-2005, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masterbeavis

If you are going to mess with mounting and dismounting split rim tires, wrap a chain around the rim/tire assembly. I have heard many a story of old timers having the halves seperate and making holes in whatever they contact.

i dont want anything to do with split rims

i dont even like having them here on the property

at local junk yard one of the workers there was changing a tire on a split rim and it came apart and killed the guy and put a hole in the metal roof of the building this happend about 15 years ago the owner of the yard shut the yard down after that happind

oh yea thanks for the advise anyway

1969 GMC · 10-27-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by grendel

Tony, who said it wasn't?

In Dodge trucks, the D60 was rated at 4,500 pounds in the front. Not sure about GM.

As for 10 lug front axles, try looking for one of the late 90's 3500HD trucks. They have the little gray insert under the grille, and the bumper is farther down than the regular one tons. Those trucks also have 5 lugs up front and 10 in the rear (on 2wd's). I saw one 4x4 that was an aftermarket conversion, it had a Dana 70 front with 10 lugs. The rear axle in those is a Dana 80, iirc it also has disc brakes.

masterbeavis · 10-29-2005, 11:31 PM

The ford 60F axle in the prized Ford F250 snow fighter package was rated for 4500# IIRC, nowhere close to 6K. Now that doesn't mean it cant handle a 6K load, its just the factory did not rate it for that load.

A D70 in a front axle application is rated at 5300#, and in the rear the same axle is rated at 7400#. It is rated like that because the front end sees weight transfer during braking, which raises the weight on the front end by a great deal.

*FormerMember* · 10-30-2005, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masterbeavis

The ford 60Faxle in the prized F250 snow fighter package was rated for 4100# IIRC, nowhere close to 3k. Now that doesnt mean it cant handle a 3k load, its just the factory did not rate it for that load.

Because of the overall vehicle rating given by the manufacturer, Ford. Not the axle manufacturer. I've heard stories about why the 60's ended up there.

How do you explain the D60 in the CUCV 1.25 ton rated or in other 2 ton trucks?

masterbeavis · 11-01-2005, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grendel

Because of the overall vehicle rating given by the manufacturer, Ford. Not the axle manufacturer. I've heard stories about why the 60's ended up there.

How do you explain the D60 in the CUCV 1.25 ton rated or in other 2 ton trucks?

What does the sticker on the door/cab say it can handle?

masterbeavis · 11-08-2005, 01:06 AM

found a genuine 10 lug front end for ya

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-...QQcmdZViewItem

10-26-2005, 01:37 PM	#28
tnblazerk5 User #12137 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: kingsport,upper east tenn Posts: 11,598	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? heres the lug measurement

10-26-2005, 01:44 PM	#29
tnblazerk5 User #12137 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: kingsport,upper east tenn Posts: 11,598	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? oh yea the front of this truck is 5 lug and the rear is 10 lug same rims used both front and rear the front just uses every other lug now i thought this thing had split rims but i got to lookin at them and now i am not sure heres a pick of the rim back side front side

10-26-2005, 01:48 PM	#30
tnblazerk5 User #12137 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: kingsport,upper east tenn Posts: 11,598	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? heres the rear spring pack heres the tire size

10-26-2005, 01:49 PM	#31
tnblazerk5 User #12137 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: kingsport,upper east tenn Posts: 11,598	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? this is a differant rear end is it a ho52 or ho72 ?

10-26-2005, 05:53 PM	#33
Robert1970C20rstbukt Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Beeville, Texas Posts: 1,943	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? If it is 10 lugs on the rear, then it is the HO110. That rear came in C40 and C50 trucks but it looks like your truck was a special order C30 with the HD suspension upgrade. Those are split rims, if you look next to the size it says tube type. __________________ RJD 1984 Chevrolet C30 welding truck 454/SM465 1977 GMC C15 pickup 350/TH350 1970 Chevrolet C20 pickup 350/TH400 1970 Chevrolet K20 Suburban 454/TH350 1969 GMC 8500 478M V6/5 spd winch truck

10-26-2005, 09:40 PM	#35
Robert1970C20rstbukt Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Beeville, Texas Posts: 1,943	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? the lock ring on that kind of rim is removable, but it's a PITA to get it off. you have to get the tire iron in the right spot and pry the ring off. i've never messed with those, but that's what it says to do in the service manual. __________________ RJD 1984 Chevrolet C30 welding truck 454/SM465 1977 GMC C15 pickup 350/TH350 1970 Chevrolet C20 pickup 350/TH400 1970 Chevrolet K20 Suburban 454/TH350 1969 GMC 8500 478M V6/5 spd winch truck

10-26-2005, 10:26 PM	#37
tnblazerk5 User #12137 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: kingsport,upper east tenn Posts: 11,598	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? is the frame like this on all 1 tons ?

10-26-2005, 10:56 PM	#38
Robert1970C20rstbukt Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Beeville, Texas Posts: 1,943	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? looks like a regular c20-c30 frame as far as i can tell. __________________ RJD 1984 Chevrolet C30 welding truck 454/SM465 1977 GMC C15 pickup 350/TH350 1970 Chevrolet C20 pickup 350/TH400 1970 Chevrolet K20 Suburban 454/TH350 1969 GMC 8500 478M V6/5 spd winch truck

10-27-2005, 08:14 PM	#39
masterbeavis Having issues Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Eldorado Ca, an hour east of sacramento Posts: 696	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? If you are going to mess with mounting and dismounting split rim tires, wrap a chain around the rim/tire assembly. I have heard many a story of old timers having the halves seperate and making holes in whatever they contact. __________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati. The Man's Prayer: "I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess."

10-29-2005, 11:31 PM	#42
masterbeavis Having issues Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Eldorado Ca, an hour east of sacramento Posts: 696	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? The ford 60F axle in the prized Ford F250 snow fighter package was rated for 4500# IIRC, nowhere close to 6K. Now that doesn't mean it cant handle a 6K load, its just the factory did not rate it for that load. A D70 in a front axle application is rated at 5300#, and in the rear the same axle is rated at 7400#. It is rated like that because the front end sees weight transfer during braking, which raises the weight on the front end by a great deal. __________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati. The Man's Prayer: "I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess." Last edited by masterbeavis; 02-16-2008 at 04:30 AM. Reason: Edited bad GVW ratings + add D70 info to support my claim.

11-08-2005, 01:06 AM	#45
masterbeavis Having issues Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Eldorado Ca, an hour east of sacramento Posts: 696	Re: What was the 11,000# axle for a C30? found a genuine 10 lug front end for ya http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-...QQcmdZViewItem __________________ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati. The Man's Prayer: "I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess."

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