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05-01-2002, 03:16 PM
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So what's up with the 70 grill
It is my understanding that the only visible difference between a 69 and 70 is the plastic inner grill. The 69 had an "egg-crate" grill and the 70 had horizontal slats, sorta like this:
 I have not found a parts guy that sells separate inner grills for the 69 and 70. They all sell one grill that is listed for both 69 and 70 and looks like the egg-crate. Are the 70 grills rare? ------------------ 72 Sierra Grande - "Maych" If a man speaks in the middle of a forest and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? Forget about "do it right the first time". Do it wrong the first time to learn how, then do it right the second time. Maych Home Page
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05-01-2002, 04:14 PM
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its all about the +6 inches
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No one had made the '70 insert in a long time. GM stopped shortly after this gen of trucks was discontinued.
You'll either have to search for a good used one, or explain it to the hand full of people who catch it. I wouldn't even waste my time on N.O.S. They been gone for so long, that I doubt there are any left anywhere. ------------------ '69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it. FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite. If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com Andy, in Columbus Ohio |
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05-01-2002, 04:16 PM
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Only difference between 69 adn 70 inner grills are the rows of eggcrate, 69 has 4 row on top and 4 on bottom for a total of 8. 70 has 6 on top, 6 on bottom for a total of 12. I think they only reproduce 69 inners because there isnt enough of a market to reproduce both 69 and 70 inners.
------------------ Thanks, Josh 1969 C/10 Long Fleet, 350/TH400, A/C, PS, PB |
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05-01-2002, 04:17 PM
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nice drawing, that will be good for future refrence
------------------ My Truck pictures www.xframeimpala.com 68 4x4 short fleetside 327 CH465 edelbrock intake and carb MSD distributor its the "SHAGROLET" 56 big window short stepside 235 dual 1 brls 64ImpalaSS 327 70 C10 LWB fleetside custom/10 350/TH350 IM me on aol SN= SHAGROLET
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05-01-2002, 04:24 PM
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My 70 inner is in pretty good shape.Im looking to go with a 67 or 68 clip, then I'll be glad to let mine go.
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05-01-2002, 04:39 PM
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If so then I'll buy it. I have two '69 inner grills and I think I like the '70 better...
------------------ '69 3/4 ton C20 2wd w/ 350ci/400THM and a wood bed! '69 3/4 ton Custom 20 2wd w/ ORIGINAL 350ci/4sp Manual and a wood bed (parts beast). Seattle, WA. *See pics of my trucks and project at www.webshots.com!
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05-02-2002, 12:34 AM
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maybe if the spacing is right(i don't know the measurements) you can use a hacksaw and cut some of the egg crate out to make the repro grille look like the one you want.
------------------ Ol' Buck: '72 Chevy 1/2T 4x4 shortbox stepside 350/350auto on '84 ralleys and 31/10.5s Angel girl: 67 Cutlass convertible 330, 3spd stick Greener: 90 GMC Jimmy 350/auto Chad Stephens Orleans,NE no name yet: 72 442 under serious construction
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05-02-2002, 10:11 AM
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looks like an easy thing to do if you take care you can modify a 69 grill to look like a 70. cut out the undesired pieces, sand and paint.
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05-02-2002, 01:34 PM
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Keepin' It Stock
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All good information, but I'm not hunting for a 70 inner grill. I'm putting together a file to detail the visual differences in the 67-72 pickups. Most models are easy to tell apart visually, except the 69 and 70. The only thing I can find that was different was the inner grill. As I started to hunt around for photos of the 70 inner grill, I found out they seem to be very rare, and so was curious what knowledge others might have.
Josh - I agree the 70 had 6 rows on top and 6 rows on bottom and looked like this:  But I can't find any photos of 69 inner grill with 4 on 4 like you describe. All the ones I find look like this: Anybody have photos of the grill Josh descibes?  ------------------ 72 Sierra Grande - "Maych" If a man speaks in the middle of a forest and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? Forget about "do it right the first time". Do it wrong the first time to learn how, then do it right the second time. Maych Home Page
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05-02-2002, 01:41 PM
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Check my website, I have a really good front shot of my 69 grill there.
I think Josh is describing the 69 grill which as far as I know has only one "version"  Oh and another thing, the outer grills on the 2 trucks that you posted look like they are not the originals. Look at the end of the grill middle next to the turn signals, compare that to the same area on my truck. There is a little bit of difference. I can post a close up shot of these areas later if you want or care to see them. ------------------ 1969 Chevrolet Custom Camper 20 350/400 70k original miles, 99% rust free, Never winter driven  They have the Internet on Computers now? --Homer Simpson Gee_Emm's Page Vote for my truck to be on the label of a bottle of Jones Soda!!! [This message has been edited by Gee_Emm (edited May 02, 2002).] [This message has been edited by Gee_Emm (edited May 02, 2002).] [This message has been edited by Gee_Emm (edited May 02, 2002).] |
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05-02-2002, 03:06 PM
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Gee_Emm - Yes, your grill is the "egg-crate" type typical of 69 models. I may have misinterpreted Josh's post. When he says that the 69 has four rows on top and bottom I think he is referring to the horizontal rows. The 70 model also has only has 4 horizontal rows on top and bottom but it has six sets of vertical bars on the top and bottom where the 69 has 43.
I confess I don't see the difference your mentioned in the outer grill, but I only posted the pics to represent the differences in the the inner grill. BTW, non of this is terrible important, but it's kinda fun to talk about. ------------------ 72 Sierra Grande - "Maych" If a man speaks in the middle of a forest and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? Forget about "do it right the first time". Do it wrong the first time to learn how, then do it right the second time. Maych Home Page
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72 Sierra Grande - Maych Forget about "do it right the first time". Do it wrong the first time to learn how, then do it right the second time. |
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05-02-2002, 03:26 PM
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Here's an original '69 inner/outer grill. As Gee_Emm mentioned the grooves next to the turn signals go all the way through to the headlight. On reproductions (either GM or otherwise) the lines don't go through. They stop at the turn signals (at least the ones I've seen):
 ------------------ '69 3/4 ton C20 2wd w/ 350ci/400THM and a wood bed! '69 3/4 ton Custom 20 2wd w/ ORIGINAL 350ci/4sp Manual and a wood bed (parts beast). Seattle, WA. *See pics of my trucks and project at www.webshots.com!
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05-02-2002, 06:17 PM
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And the comparison
 ------------------ 1969 Chevrolet Custom Camper 20 350/400 70k original miles, 99% rust free, Never winter driven They have the Internet on Computers now? --Homer Simpson Gee_Emm's Page Vote for my truck to be on the label of a bottle of Jones Soda!!! [This message has been edited by Gee_Emm (edited May 02, 2002).] |
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05-02-2002, 07:14 PM
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here's another question. I have a 69 and also a 70 that I think is origial. It looks to me that maybe they just painted the horizonal bars on the 70 silver so that they stand out but actually the 69 and 70 are the same? I'll go look at my 70 just to make sure.
Nathan ------------------ 1969 C-10 292 I-6 4 spd in the middle of a restoration. going to get a 327 and 3.07 gears but keeping all of the original parts so I can put it back to original later on down the road. 55 chevy 4 door 150 47 Willys CJ-2A
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05-02-2002, 07:32 PM
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Ok, I looked and that is exactly the case. they are both the same plastic piece but the 70 grille has the vertical bars painted silver or white. if you look close the part that is painted is raised from the rest. Gee_Emm's CLOSEUP, WOW, shows this pretty well. I also have 2 outer grilles that i believe to be original but I have one of each kind.? I dunno maybe one isn't original.
Nathan ------------------ 1969 C-10 292 I-6 4 spd in the middle of a restoration. going to get a 327 and 3.07 gears but keeping all of the original parts so I can put it back to original later on down the road. 55 chevy 4 door 150 47 Willys CJ-2A
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05-02-2002, 07:37 PM
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yah yah, I know its big :p
Could be that someone replaced the middle piece in one of them. |
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05-02-2002, 08:41 PM
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My 69 which as far as I know is original has the 4 on 4 grill, just like Gee Emm's. I can post a pic if you need another one, but my grill is pretty banged up ever since it impacted a datsun at 30mph.... I've seen a few 70s with only the horizontal fins painted so it gives the effect of having bars across the middle.
Also I noticed on the second black 70, it has 71-72 style polished aluminum headlight trim instead of 69-70 black painted pieces. ------------------ Thanks, Josh 1969 C/10 Long Fleet, 350/TH400, A/C, PS, PB |
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05-02-2002, 08:42 PM
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its all about the +6 inches
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The '70 is not the same as the '69. Only if it has been chainged out in the past.
------------------ '69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it. FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite. If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com Andy, in Columbus Ohio |
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05-02-2002, 08:50 PM
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take a look at my post "Bunch of parts for sale" on the parts board. one is from my 69 the other is from my 70. they both look correct but if you get up close the 70 is the same as my 69. I am positive that the 70 is factory. both of them look just like Gee_Emm's, except the 70 has the horizontal fins painted just like Josh said.
Nathan
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05-02-2002, 09:09 PM
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its all about the +6 inches
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I also have had a 70, grill, I knoe it was original becouse I spoke to the 2 owners before me, and the widow of the original owner. (that is everyone who owned it) It was confirmed that the only damage it ever recieved we a smack in the @ss. I wish I had a close up, but it looked d@mn near like johnnyp's picture.
------------------ '69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it. FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite. If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com Andy, in Columbus Ohio |
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05-03-2002, 08:48 AM
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mine looks exactly like johnnyp's picture from that distance but when you get close it is exactly the same as a 69 grille.
This is the 70.  This is the 69.  Get up close and they both have the eggcrate just like in Gee_Emm's pic.
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05-03-2002, 03:49 PM
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Great information and pics! From the discussion and pics I'm going with the assumption that the 69 and 70 grill are identical except for the paint schemes. So, until somebody proves this assumption wrong, here's what I'm recording for the 1970 model:
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[img]//www.alltel.net/~ap55928/images/69-70grill.gif[/img] http://www.lunarpages.com/pattson/67_72_models.htm ------------------ 72 Sierra Grande - "Maych" If a man speaks in the middle of a forest and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? Forget about "do it right the first time". Do it wrong the first time to learn how, then do it right the second time. Maych Home Page
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05-03-2002, 04:45 PM
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No, there is more of a difference then just the paint on the 69 and 70 grills. The outer shells are the same. The inner grills are two compeltely different pieces of plastic. You could not take a 69 inner and slap some paint on it and turn it into a 70. The area on the 70 inner grills that has the paint on it is acutally raised a bit if I recall correctly. That and the size of the holes in the inners are different. The 69 has more squareish holes and the 70 has more rectangular holes.
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05-03-2002, 08:49 PM
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I have O NOS '70 insert with the box never been installed much less in the wind. And it is different from the '69's I've seen!
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05-03-2002, 11:37 PM
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its all about the +6 inches
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Smitty...show us pics. We need this info.
------------------ '69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it. FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite. If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com Andy, in Columbus Ohio |
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