Little help with a "hot starter" - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

Zonaman · 09-13-2007, 12:54 PM

I've noticed that my starter will quit on me after a long drive to the lake, hauling my boat in 100+ temperatures. It'll quit working for a few minutes, then it will turn. That's so far. Since this tends to happen on a boat launch ramp, you can understand my concern! I gather from reading some past postings that it's absorbing too much heat from the headers.

My questions:

Is this a temporary condition that a heat sheild will cure or is this casuing permanant damage to the starter?
I've also noticed that it will grind occasionally (a few times in the last month). Is this a sign that it's on it's way out?
If a new starter is in order, what are your recommendations for a daily driver in the desert?

Thanks!

(PS- I will check to be sure the wiring is in good shape!)

AlienYouth · 09-13-2007, 12:58 PM

yes, it is causing permanent damage, ive gone through two with my headers, and they would slowly become weaker over time, and then go up in smoke...

if it hasnt become weaker yet, hurry up and get that starter blanket or heat shield before it does...

Sinister · 09-13-2007, 01:04 PM

A remote starter solenoid is supposed to help as well...

ChevyC102007 · 09-13-2007, 01:08 PM

I have the same problem with my truck but I still have the original manifolds and the down pipe is right against the starter (about a quarter of an inch) I cant put a conventional heat shield on due to the lack of space3 but Im going to get a heat blanket for it ASAP since its starting to click occasionally when I try to start the truck after its ran for abit.

If it aint one thing its another.

Oh BTW I noticed when I changed the starter what looked like a conventional pad for a later model starter and NAPA does list such a starter for my truck, would this be an option to stop this since those starters are abit shorter?

67ChevyRedneck · 09-13-2007, 01:19 PM

My truck had the same problem. I just finally put a new starter in a couple weeks ago. I also bought a solenoid heat shield and remote starter solenoid. I haven't had time to install either yet....

Also, the starter on my truck was physically small, that may have been some of the problem too? The solenoid and nose cones were the same, but the actual starter was about 30% smaller than the new one I bought. I just bought a replacement starter for a mid 70's truck and it was much bigger. My truck is a mutt, so it probably had some small car starter or something on it?

So far, no "slow starts" even after an hour of driving.

Dano69c10 · 09-13-2007, 01:31 PM

Not to hijack, but has anyone installed a F@%d remote solenoid?

Sinister · 09-13-2007, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dano69c10

Not to hijack, but has anyone installed a F@%d remote solenoid?

I had one on my '72 LWB. I got the wiring diagram from the Summit kit online, and got the solenoid and wiring from a local parts place. Worked great. I need to put one on the '69 now...

ChevLoRay · 09-13-2007, 01:42 PM

I have read many posts about this same topic, but when it happened to mine several years ago, I had a heat shield installed. Didn't know how well it would work, but six years later there are no issues. I have headers and am still running the same starter almost 8 years after buying my truck. I didn't have a problem until I replaced my rich-running Edelbrock 1406, with a new Edelbrock 1901 Q-Jet, which ran much leaner causing the hotter-running engine and the heat soak which made starting difficult.

I'd put the heat shield on it, first. I'd let the results of that dictate my next step.

Bucky71 · 09-13-2007, 01:50 PM

I also did the Ford remote solenoid. It didn't help, but I think the starter was too far gone. With a new starter there have been know problems except when the flexplate stops at the spot where a tooth is missing.

AlienYouth · 09-13-2007, 01:55 PM

ha, my old truck had some worn teeth, but it didnt have a dust cover, so i would just climb under and turn the flexplate a bit : )

Mudder · 09-13-2007, 02:04 PM

I would go with the blanket and have thought about using header wrap either on the headers in that area or around the started. That stuff is awesome as far as stopping heat.

neonlarry · 09-13-2007, 04:05 PM

Probably the best thing for your situation is to get one of the later model delco permanent magnet starters. They are much smaller(more clearance between header), much much lighter(easier to install) and with the perm magnet the heat does not affect it anywhere near as much as the coil magnet. Plus its a direct bolt in.

Sinister · 09-13-2007, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neonlarry

Probably the best thing for your situation is to get one of the later model delco permanent magnet starters. They are much smaller(more clearance between header), much much lighter(easier to install) and with the perm magnet the heat does not affect it anywhere near as much as the coil magnet. Plus its a direct bolt in.

Do you have a part number or application for these starters?

Zonaman · 09-13-2007, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinister

Do you have a part number or application for these starters?

Amen!

IAFF2407 · 09-13-2007, 05:57 PM

had the same problem, with my truck, jeep cherokee and a ford. intermittent starting was always a weak bendix spring. (including the ping/rattle caused by movement of the shaft allowing the gear to hit the flywheel) all cases were fixed by replacing the starter. With my Sierra, the HO motor and headers, I put a high torque starter in, it is half the size of a stock one. thus will not get as hot. going on 2 1/2 years now.

oldsmobilekindofguy · 09-13-2007, 07:14 PM

you could just try using exhaust heat wrap, it doesn't look the best but you could wrap the header in it and i won't get so hot and should save the starter.

oldsmobilekindofguy · 09-13-2007, 07:15 PM

it works pretty good to cause a friend used it on his motorcycle and it helped a lot

neonlarry · 09-13-2007, 08:13 PM

I got mine here about 3 yrs ago:
http://superpageshosting.com/4alters...n&catuid=11378

09-13-2007, 12:54 PM	#1
Zonaman Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 519	Little help with a "hot starter" I've noticed that my starter will quit on me after a long drive to the lake, hauling my boat in 100+ temperatures. It'll quit working for a few minutes, then it will turn. That's so far. Since this tends to happen on a boat launch ramp, you can understand my concern! I gather from reading some past postings that it's absorbing too much heat from the headers. My questions: Is this a temporary condition that a heat sheild will cure or is this casuing permanant damage to the starter? I've also noticed that it will grind occasionally (a few times in the last month). Is this a sign that it's on it's way out? If a new starter is in order, what are your recommendations for a daily driver in the desert? Thanks! (PS- I will check to be sure the wiring is in good shape!) __________________ 69 C-10 LWB, 350, 700r4, 3.73 posi-traction, front disc brakes. Built for the desert- She can take the heat! Vivat Rex Chevus! Last edited by Zonaman; 09-13-2007 at 12:58 PM. Reason: add a ps

09-13-2007, 12:58 PM	#2
AlienYouth Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Westminster, Maryland Posts: 411	Re: Little help with a "hot starter" yes, it is causing permanent damage, ive gone through two with my headers, and they would slowly become weaker over time, and then go up in smoke... if it hasnt become weaker yet, hurry up and get that starter blanket or heat shield before it does... __________________ Picturesss 71 C10 383/TH400 13.65 @ 99... 2.06 60' spinnin :/

09-13-2007, 01:04 PM	#3
Sinister Between Trucks... Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA. Posts: 3,830	Re: Little help with a "hot starter" A remote starter solenoid is supposed to help as well... __________________ Beat it to fit, Paint it to match...

09-13-2007, 01:08 PM	#4
ChevyC102007 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Emporium,Pa Posts: 248	Re: Little help with a "hot starter" I have the same problem with my truck but I still have the original manifolds and the down pipe is right against the starter (about a quarter of an inch) I cant put a conventional heat shield on due to the lack of space3 but Im going to get a heat blanket for it ASAP since its starting to click occasionally when I try to start the truck after its ran for abit. If it aint one thing its another. Oh BTW I noticed when I changed the starter what looked like a conventional pad for a later model starter and NAPA does list such a starter for my truck, would this be an option to stop this since those starters are abit shorter? __________________ "When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice." [Cherokee saying] 2001 Dodge Ram Sport 1500 4x4. (old ride) 1987 GMC V1500 Sierra Classic ("new" ride)

09-13-2007, 01:19 PM	#5
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Little help with a "hot starter" My truck had the same problem. I just finally put a new starter in a couple weeks ago. I also bought a solenoid heat shield and remote starter solenoid. I haven't had time to install either yet.... Also, the starter on my truck was physically small, that may have been some of the problem too? The solenoid and nose cones were the same, but the actual starter was about 30% smaller than the new one I bought. I just bought a replacement starter for a mid 70's truck and it was much bigger. My truck is a mutt, so it probably had some small car starter or something on it? So far, no "slow starts" even after an hour of driving. __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications! Last edited by 67ChevyRedneck; 09-13-2007 at 01:19 PM.

09-13-2007, 01:31 PM	#6
Dano69c10 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ontario, Kali Posts: 2,427	Re: Little help with a "hot starter" Not to hijack, but has anyone installed a F@%d remote solenoid? __________________ '69 Fleet It ain't yours, if you didn't build it!

09-13-2007, 01:42 PM	#8
ChevLoRay Old Skool Club Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Benton, AR "The Heart of Arkansas" Posts: 10,880	Re: Little help with a "hot starter" I have read many posts about this same topic, but when it happened to mine several years ago, I had a heat shield installed. Didn't know how well it would work, but six years later there are no issues. I have headers and am still running the same starter almost 8 years after buying my truck. I didn't have a problem until I replaced my rich-running Edelbrock 1406, with a new Edelbrock 1901 Q-Jet, which ran much leaner causing the hotter-running engine and the heat soak which made starting difficult. I'd put the heat shield on it, first. I'd let the results of that dictate my next step. __________________ Member Nr. 2770 '96 GMC Sportside; 4.3/SLT - Daily driven....constantly needs washed. '69 C-10 SWB; 350/TH400 - in limbo The older I get, the better I was.

09-13-2007, 01:50 PM	#9
Bucky71 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toronto, On Posts: 65	Re: Little help with a "hot starter" I also did the Ford remote solenoid. It didn't help, but I think the starter was too far gone. With a new starter there have been know problems except when the flexplate stops at the spot where a tooth is missing.

09-13-2007, 01:55 PM	#10
AlienYouth Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Westminster, Maryland Posts: 411	Re: Little help with a "hot starter" ha, my old truck had some worn teeth, but it didnt have a dust cover, so i would just climb under and turn the flexplate a bit : ) __________________ Picturesss 71 C10 383/TH400 13.65 @ 99... 2.06 60' spinnin :/

09-13-2007, 02:04 PM	#11
Mudder Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: East Central, MO Posts: 11,336	Re: Little help with a "hot starter" I would go with the blanket and have thought about using header wrap either on the headers in that area or around the started. That stuff is awesome as far as stopping heat.

09-13-2007, 04:05 PM	#12
neonlarry Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vacaville, CA Posts: 2,746	Re: Little help with a "hot starter" Probably the best thing for your situation is to get one of the later model delco permanent magnet starters. They are much smaller(more clearance between header), much much lighter(easier to install) and with the perm magnet the heat does not affect it anywhere near as much as the coil magnet. Plus its a direct bolt in. __________________ 70 C/10 Light Red 350/TH350, HEI, Duals w/40 series Flows, 91 seat, LED taillights 99 Pontiac S/C GTP, SLP Ram Air hood, GMPP Konis & springs 95 Neon ACR, MP PCM, AFX UDP, 3.0 CAI

09-13-2007, 05:57 PM	#15
IAFF2407 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: White Rock Canada Posts: 865	Re: Little help with a "hot starter" had the same problem, with my truck, jeep cherokee and a ford. intermittent starting was always a weak bendix spring. (including the ping/rattle caused by movement of the shaft allowing the gear to hit the flywheel) all cases were fixed by replacing the starter. With my Sierra, the HO motor and headers, I put a high torque starter in, it is half the size of a stock one. thus will not get as hot. going on 2 1/2 years now. Last edited by IAFF2407; 09-13-2007 at 05:58 PM.

09-13-2007, 07:14 PM	#16
oldsmobilekindofguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Stratford,SD Posts: 296	Re: Little help with a "hot starter" you could just try using exhaust heat wrap, it doesn't look the best but you could wrap the header in it and i won't get so hot and should save the starter. __________________ 1967 c-10 longbox project, check it out in projects 1969 c-10 parts pickup, twisted frame Daily driver- 1970 Olds delta 88, 2dr., 455, gotta love the big block

09-13-2007, 07:15 PM	#17
oldsmobilekindofguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Stratford,SD Posts: 296	Re: Little help with a "hot starter" it works pretty good to cause a friend used it on his motorcycle and it helped a lot __________________ 1967 c-10 longbox project, check it out in projects 1969 c-10 parts pickup, twisted frame Daily driver- 1970 Olds delta 88, 2dr., 455, gotta love the big block

09-13-2007, 08:13 PM	#18
neonlarry Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vacaville, CA Posts: 2,746	Re: Little help with a "hot starter" I got mine here about 3 yrs ago: http://superpageshosting.com/4alters...n&catuid=11378 __________________ 70 C/10 Light Red 350/TH350, HEI, Duals w/40 series Flows, 91 seat, LED taillights 99 Pontiac S/C GTP, SLP Ram Air hood, GMPP Konis & springs 95 Neon ACR, MP PCM, AFX UDP, 3.0 CAI



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