ART Control Arms and Sway bar - Tie Rod Issue? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

trebeck · 03-21-2008, 12:20 AM

Hopefully someone has a similar setup and can tell me if I have an issue. I'm concerned whether the tie rod will clear the top of the sway bar, looks awfully close. Something seems goofy with how high the sway bar attaches to the spindle. Sorry, this is the best pic i had:

trebeck · 03-21-2008, 12:39 AM

I was able to find a different pic angle...arrow pointing to top of sway bar end link.

shifty · 03-21-2008, 06:38 AM

I think you meant how high the swaybar attaches to the lower control arm? Either way, I see clearly what you're saying, and being that I'm running the same darn setup, I'm interested also

slammed1 · 03-21-2008, 07:31 AM

Can I ask you to try something??

Can you push the back of the upper a frame in towards the frame and leave the frt part of the a frame left pulled out?? What I am trying to help you see is IF your mock up right now had more caster (upper a frame swept rearward) if you would have more clearance??
The first picture I see tells me if your spindle were laid back more instead of leaning forward it would bring the tie rod mount at the spindle UP more giving more clearance.

This is just a test to see if you gain more room with more caster.

NOTE.
Pull the frt of the upper a frame out as far as possible and push the rear in as far as possible and lets see how much room you gain.I know its not gonna be dramatic but you might gain some.

stunna · 03-21-2008, 05:23 PM

i was told by ART that if you order their control arms and bags for the front, the factory swaybar will not work. they make a sway bar that works with the setup. hope this helps

SCOTI · 03-21-2008, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stunna

i was told by ART that if you order their control arms and bags for the front, the factory swaybar will not work. they make a sway bar that works with the setup. hope this helps

That's ART's sway bar ("muscle-bar") in the posted pics.

trebeck · 03-21-2008, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slammed1

Can I ask you to try something??

Can you push the back of the upper a frame in towards the frame and leave the frt part of the a frame left pulled out?? What I am trying to help you see is IF your mock up right now had more caster (upper a frame swept rearward) if you would have more clearance??
The first picture I see tells me if your spindle were laid back more instead of leaning forward it would bring the tie rod mount at the spindle UP more giving more clearance.

This is just a test to see if you gain more room with more caster.

NOTE.
Pull the frt of the upper a frame out as far as possible and push the rear in as far as possible and lets see how much room you gain.I know its not gonna be dramatic but you might gain some.

I believe I'm following you, I'll give it a shot this evening slammed1 and let you know how it goes, thanks.

trebeck · 03-21-2008, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCOTI

That's ART's sway bar ("muscle-bar") in the posted pics.

Thanks SCOTI. Yes that is ART's sway bar.

shifty · 03-22-2008, 01:35 AM

Damnitall, retrospect is a MFer. I just went to the junkyard and bought two swaybars and ordered bushings to boot.

More wasted money!!

pcmcobra · 03-22-2008, 03:13 AM

lol
art even tells you the stock swaybar will not work on their website...

shifty · 03-22-2008, 06:08 AM

i didn't read it! i think i actually got the swaybars before i got the arms, actually.

trebeck · 03-22-2008, 06:10 AM

Ok slammed1, I gave it a shot, it bought me a little bit of clearance. Also, I noticed from another pic on the site that the tie rod comes in quite steep to the spindle, so I think I'm probably ok.

I'm still a little concerned with how the end of the sway bar hooks into the end link (doesn't fit flat, meets at around 30 degrees)...so I'd still like to see some pics of how similar setups work. Anyone?

*Shane* · 03-22-2008, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shifty

Damnitall, retrospect is a MFer. I just went to the junkyard and bought two swaybars and ordered bushings to boot.

More wasted money!!

so sell me the bushings and brackets ...

shifty · 03-22-2008, 08:45 PM

i would, but selling those alone i'd lose money

I bought these (x4), $24, brackets and bushings.

i think i will end up selling both bars, $45 shipped w/OEM brackets but no bushings, $65 shipped with new aftermarket brackets and bushings.

oh, and a bump for other pics of ART setups.

03-21-2008, 12:20 AM	#1
trebeck Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 50	ART Control Arms and Sway bar - Tie Rod Issue? Hopefully someone has a similar setup and can tell me if I have an issue. I'm concerned whether the tie rod will clear the top of the sway bar, looks awfully close. Something seems goofy with how high the sway bar attaches to the spindle. Sorry, this is the best pic i had: Attached Images

03-21-2008, 12:39 AM	#2
trebeck Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 50	Re: ART Control Arms and Sway bar - Tie Rod Issue? I was able to find a different pic angle...arrow pointing to top of sway bar end link. Attached Images

03-21-2008, 06:38 AM	#3
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,373	Re: ART Control Arms and Sway bar - Tie Rod Issue? I think you meant how high the swaybar attaches to the lower control arm? Either way, I see clearly what you're saying, and being that I'm running the same darn setup, I'm interested also __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM.

03-21-2008, 07:31 AM	#4
slammed1 1972 Chevrolet SWB Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: FT Smith AR Posts: 512	Re: ART Control Arms and Sway bar - Tie Rod Issue? Can I ask you to try something?? Can you push the back of the upper a frame in towards the frame and leave the frt part of the a frame left pulled out?? What I am trying to help you see is IF your mock up right now had more caster (upper a frame swept rearward) if you would have more clearance?? The first picture I see tells me if your spindle were laid back more instead of leaning forward it would bring the tie rod mount at the spindle UP more giving more clearance. This is just a test to see if you gain more room with more caster. NOTE. Pull the frt of the upper a frame out as far as possible and push the rear in as far as possible and lets see how much room you gain.I know its not gonna be dramatic but you might gain some. __________________ My New thread with pics (not my build thread yet.) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...46#post2573646 1972 Chevrolet 1/2 ton short wide bed,68 frt clip Project. 1980 Camaro Inherited when father passed,68K Miles 2003 Ford Mach1 FUN as Hell!! 2002 Dodge Ram 5-8 slam Rolling BillBoard (Gone not forgot) 2004 Dodge Ram HEMI 10" lifted on 37's and 2wd. Last edited by slammed1; 03-21-2008 at 07:32 AM.

03-21-2008, 05:23 PM	#5
stunna Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: high point nc Posts: 442	Re: ART Control Arms and Sway bar - Tie Rod Issue? i was told by ART that if you order their control arms and bags for the front, the factory swaybar will not work. they make a sway bar that works with the setup. hope this helps

03-22-2008, 01:35 AM	#9
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,373	Re: ART Control Arms and Sway bar - Tie Rod Issue? Damnitall, retrospect is a MFer. I just went to the junkyard and bought two swaybars and ordered bushings to boot. More wasted money!! __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM.

03-22-2008, 03:13 AM	#10
pcmcobra Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 1,684	Re: ART Control Arms and Sway bar - Tie Rod Issue? lol art even tells you the stock swaybar will not work on their website... __________________ 1986 C10 SWB 6.0/6l90e Miami...Flee it like a native

03-22-2008, 06:08 AM	#11
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,373	Re: ART Control Arms and Sway bar - Tie Rod Issue? i didn't read it! i think i actually got the swaybars before i got the arms, actually. __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM.

03-22-2008, 06:10 AM	#12
trebeck Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 50	Re: ART Control Arms and Sway bar - Tie Rod Issue? Ok slammed1, I gave it a shot, it bought me a little bit of clearance. Also, I noticed from another pic on the site that the tie rod comes in quite steep to the spindle, so I think I'm probably ok. I'm still a little concerned with how the end of the sway bar hooks into the end link (doesn't fit flat, meets at around 30 degrees)...so I'd still like to see some pics of how similar setups work. Anyone?

03-22-2008, 08:45 PM	#14
shifty Questionable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 13,373	Re: ART Control Arms and Sway bar - Tie Rod Issue? i would, but selling those alone i'd lose money I bought these (x4), $24, brackets and bushings. i think i will end up selling both bars, $45 shipped w/OEM brackets but no bushings, $65 shipped with new aftermarket brackets and bushings. oh, and a bump for other pics of ART setups. __________________ If I've got anything up for grabs, it'll be here: 7-hole gauge cluster for a 67-72 p/u FREE (link) I can't check the forum daily. If I don't reply to you within 24 hours, drop me a PM! I'm (hopefully) still alive and will reply faster to a PM.

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