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04-29-2009, 11:07 PM | #1 |
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Starters, mini starters, might want to check this out.
I just kind of stumbled upon this. I dont know if its new news or im just a late bloomer. I have a chevy 454. Its from an 81 chevy. The starter that came with it is huge. My headers literally touched my starter.
I was in the market for a mini torque starter and came across this. Its a starter from a newer chevy. Pt#6944. I took pictures and weights. This is the factory original starter with 2 starts on it. ahah I bought it brand new. I just realized that it wont last long with my headers.. Here we go. Starter#1. Starter weights 20 lbs, is fargin HUGE. Bought 95 bucks. It fits 1981 and on 454s from what i heard. Here is starter #2. As you can see, HUGE difference in weight. This fits my 454 also. 7lbs. Its a magnetic type and supposedly has more torque then the huge original one. Its about 95 bucks also. Side by side comparison Anyways, it now clears my headers VERY nicely and im going to make a little heat shield for it to extend the life of it also.... Just i have never seen this and figured if i could help at least one person by my post, why not.... |
04-29-2009, 11:28 PM | #2 |
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Re: Starters, mini starters, might want to check this out.
Im glad to see you found out about it ! I got one on my small block. Just dont forget the heat shield. Those mini starters are alot easier to put in and take out compared to the bulky heavy stock ones
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04-29-2009, 11:36 PM | #3 |
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Re: Starters, mini starters, might want to check this out.
Where did you get it at?
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04-29-2009, 11:43 PM | #4 |
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Re: Starters, mini starters, might want to check this out.
where'd you get that/what manufacturer is that part # from?
Good find!! thanks for the info!
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04-30-2009, 12:02 AM | #5 |
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Re: Starters, mini starters, might want to check this out.
Better double check me, but I am pretty sure you need some conversion bolts to use that starter, or you risk cracking the block at the starter bolt holes. A friend of mine had this happen to him with his beefy 383, and I am pretty sure it boiled down to the fact that he used the original starter bolts with an 89+ starter.
I am installing one tomorrow, don't know the part number, but I got the starter and the supposed "conversion bolts" for $115.00. If I find out more info, I'll post it here. They are great starters, and call me queer, but they sound pretty cool too |
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Ahhh!!! BINGO FOUND IT!! P
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04-30-2009, 12:34 AM | #7 |
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Great info here
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04-30-2009, 09:37 AM | #8 |
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Re: Starters, mini starters, might want to check this out.
Where would one moron go go find the starter and bolts?
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04-30-2009, 10:49 AM | #9 |
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Well, I got mine from Lancaster Starter and Alternator http://www.lancasterstarterandalternator.com, but what you need is starter bolts with a 3/8 thread, and a 10MM shank...
I can only assume that if you called, they could ship the starter and bolts to you. |
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If you have a GMPP nearby check with them. I bought my mini starter from them and it came with the different bolts and they worked perfect. I dont remember how much I paid, but it sounds about right to what Lyrikz said about $95
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That information isnt truely correct. In the middle 1980s and earlier they were standard bolts and hole sizes. Just after the middle 1980's chevy switched to metric. You need to check the year on the block to be sure.. These will bolt up fine to a 1981 and later. IF YOU USE THE CORRECT BOLTS. Last edited by lyrikz; 07-21-2009 at 07:44 PM. |
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04-30-2009, 12:27 PM | #12 |
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Re: Starters, mini starters, might want to check this out.
Skip White sells em on Ebay.....
http://search.stores.ebay.com/whitep...354947QQsofpZ0
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05-01-2009, 01:34 AM | #13 |
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Installed my starter tonight.... Man, I wish I would have put one on from the start, but like usual, I was being a cheap-ass, and saved $30 when I assembled the thing.
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05-01-2009, 09:57 AM | #14 |
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Re: Starters, mini starters, might want to check this out.
I tried this swap not long ago and found that the starter bolt are too long also, they wont work at all.
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05-01-2009, 11:39 AM | #15 | |
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One thing that should be mentioned to anyone doing it, is make sure you match up the bolts. Make sure they come out of the starterthe same distance on both starters.... |
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Man, i installed the starter way back when i posted this. I ordered new bolts that fit correctly and then just left the starter in. I went to start the truck today, and PHWWINNNNG is what i get. ahaha The starter isnt engaging the flywheel. I have the correct bolts, i wonder what im missing... Im thinking of just returning this starter and picking up a skip white one.... For some reason they dont sell the red or chrome ones anymore... Guess i will wait until tuesday to order that up.
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Re: Starters, mini starters, might want to check this out.
I have a bit more info.... So basically it doesnt matter the size of the gear on the starter... You just need the correct length and thickness of bolt, then you may have to shim the starter a bit... I have the shims and will update later tonight to see how this works.... I should of known that just bolting it in and starting wasnt going to happen.
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If I go to a wrecker and pull the bolts from a mini starter they should work then? I think You need a trans inpection cover as well since the starter nose is different.
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Re: Starters, mini starters, might want to check this out.
The big starter has 9 teeth on the drive and the mini has 11, but will interchange. There is a gasket that fits over the mini starter so you don't have to change the inspection cover. The bolts from a wrecking yard should work. Lyrikz must have a bad drive in his mini.
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As for starter parts, I can guarantee you my starter guys stuff is as good or better then yours. ahah. You can go to a wrecking yard, or just spend 2 bucks at the dealership and order from them... Just tell them you need bolts for a 95+ chevy 350 or 454 starter....
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You can't interchange the gears cuz we are talking apples and oranges. The whole starter is interchangeable. I have replaced many big 10MT starters with the mini and have NEVER had to shim one. Maybe the extra work is worth it so you can use the good stuff. Shim away. Shims are for misfits and engineering mistakes. It is not your starter guys fault.
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Any of this makes sense??
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