Will tubular control arms leave my 67 lower infront when aired out?

[AZChevyland]

Getting ready to purchase CCP tubular control arms for the 67. The truck is on air bags and has a CCP small bolt in notch in the back. I have stock disc brake spindles (not drop spindles). I am wondering if i should get drop spindles or not. I am wondering if the truck will be level when aired out if i get the CCP control arms and use my stock level disc brake spindles. My thought is to save some dough and keep the stock level spindles because drop spindles would leave the truck lower in front than in back when totaly aired out. What do you guys think? Anyone with experience with this? I know this is the best place to ask.

[lolife99]

You could do both,... but the most "bang for the buck" would be the drop spindles.

[Shane]

I agree with Lo ... go with the spindles first.

[AZChevyland]

I pretty much think my control arms are shot so i was going to buy tubular control arms for sure, but i would like to know if i need to buy drop spindles or not with them. Do you know if the truck will lay level aired out with stock level spindles? Remember, i have the small bolt in c-notch in back.

[N2TRUX]

Tough question. Most of us don't even consider it, we just run dropped spindles and call it done.

[AZChevyland]

Thanks N2TRUX. If you run tubular control arms, drop spindles and bags, when you air out the front how close to the ground does the frame get with say, 20" wheels and 45 or 50 series tires?

[lolife99]

You going to run inner fenders?

[lolife99]

Originally Posted by AZChevyland

I pretty much think my control arms are shot so i was going to buy tubular control arms for sure, but i would like to know if i need to buy drop spindles or not with them. Do you know if the truck will lay level aired out with stock level spindles? Remember, i have the small bolt in c-notch in back.

You can get your truck this low, with a small c-notch, drop spindles and the front inner fenders still in place.
These are 20's up front and 22's in the rear.
I believe the front tires are 255/40-20's.
A 45 or 50 series tire would not allow you to go this low.
Is that low enough?

[AZChevyland]

Thanks lolife99. Like they say, pictures are worth a thousand words. That truck is perfect. It looks pretty level. So thats on bags aired out with drop spindles? Sweet. I guess if I dont add the drop spindles, i wont get that low. I already finished the rear with the small CPP notch. Yes, I would like to keep the inner fenders.

[DZL1]

So that you can get another idea of how it will sit. In this pic its aired out with drop spindles, factory control arms, and lower bag cups that i cut 1" off of them. The rear has your same cpp bolt in c-notch with 2" lowering blocks. Obviously im running 15" rallies all around soon to be swapped with 20" Boss 338 all around. Hope this helps.

DZL1.

[N2TRUX]

Originally Posted by AZChevyland

Thanks lolife99. Like they say, pictures are worth a thousand words. That truck is perfect. It looks pretty level. So thats on bags aired out with drop spindles? Sweet. I guess if I dont add the drop spindles, i wont get that low.....

With out drop spindles you won't be close to that low. In addition, n2billets truck is running Porterbuilt tubular arms that maximize the drop as well.

One thing to know is these trucks have a front crossmember that will be your lowest point. Unless you go to a raised crossmember, the lowest you will be able to get is laying your A-arms on the ground. N2billets truck is very close to that point.

Something else to point out is you mention his truck sits flat. It is not as level as the pic LoLife posted makes it appear. It still has a really nice rake, which is just about a perfect stance to us old school hotrodders. To accomplish this he did have to cut a small hole in the bed.

[cablackone]

Heres my truck rear frame is notched front a arms are stock stock spindles rockers and cab corners removed cab mounts lowered this is how low it can go

[Shane]

what's widths and back spacing on the stepside Ken?

[SCOTI]

Originally Posted by N2TRUX

Something else to point out is you mention his truck sits flat. It is not as level as the pic LoLife posted makes it appear. It still has a really nice rake, which is just about a perfect stance to us old school hotrodders. To accomplish this he did have to cut a small hole in the bed.

Ken, keep in mind he's running a 20/22 combo. If it had 20" Coys w/the 255/295 tire combo, it would sit flat. The 22's are @ least 1" taller....

Originally Posted by Shane

what's widths and back spacing on the stepside Ken?

Standard Coy's. 20x8.5's w/5.25"bs & 22x9's w/5.5"bs. He's also using the narrower pre 70 rear housing.

[Hottrucks]

also depends on wether the CPP LCA's are cupped??? I can lay my X about 1 1/2" from the ground with stock spindles and stock LCA with a 2 1/2" cup when I add the drop spindles for the disc brake convertion it will lay ON the X....

Now keep in mind that there are other issues with being that low
inner fenders
heater box
hood hindges
inner fender support
sway bar

ect.................

[piecesparts]

Careful, when I purchased the CPP tubular arms, there was a note that stated that they would not support the use of air bags. I am not sure what you have in mind, but be sure that you are looking at parts that would work with your plan.

My plans are tubular A arms 3" drop spindle and drop springs. My 68 truck has a K member from a later truck under it. this way we got the 5 bolt front disc spindles in on kit.

[Shane]

Originally Posted by SCOTI

Standard Coy's. 20x8.5's w/5.25"bs & 22x9's w/5.5"bs. He's also using the narrower pre 70 rear housing.

That makes sense ... i have a 72 5 lugger under stepper and the 8" rallies with a 255/60-15 rubs the fender when dumped.

[Shane]

Originally Posted by Hottrucks

... when I add the drop spindles for the disc brake convertion it will lay ON the X....

probably not ... the lower control arms WILL hit before the cross member

[N2TRUX]

Originally Posted by Shane

probably not ... the lower control arms WILL hit before the cross member

Correct.

For reference, this is point of impact with stock arms, 3" spindles, stock Ride Tech cups, and no obstruction from fender liners. The stock arm is on the ground, the actual crossmember is not.

[N2TRUX]

Originally Posted by SCOTI

..The 22's are @ least 1" taller.....

Yeah, your right. And I love that rake....

[lolife99]

Originally Posted by piecesparts

Careful, when I purchased the CPP tubular arms, there was a note that stated that they would not support the use of air bags. I am not sure what you have in mind, but be sure that you are looking at parts that would work with your plan.

My plans are tubular A arms 3" drop spindle and drop springs. My 68 truck has a K member from a later truck under it. this way we got the 5 bolt front disc spindles in on kit.

CPP make tubular a-arms for bags now,... along with their tubular a-arms for coil springs.

[Hottrucks]

My mistake....the X will be 1/2" off but for only having staock control arms I think thats pretty good......

BUT

you still have the other issues to deal with.....I'm running stock tires (29"tall) and 6 lug 8" rallies and I'm going to have to take a good chunk out of the hood hindge and fender support..then I plan on using a 13" wide trailer fender to close things up

[AZChevyland]

Originally Posted by DZL1

So that you can get another idea of how it will sit. In this pic its aired out with drop spindles, factory control arms, and lower bag cups that i cut 1" off of them. The rear has your same cpp bolt in c-notch with 2" lowering blocks. Obviously im running 15" rallies all around soon to be swapped with 20" Boss 338 all around. Hope this helps.

DZL1.

Thanks for the picture. Looks good with a slight rake. I would like to get the 338 wheels also. Until then i will be on steel but i wouldnt mind ralies like yours.

[AZChevyland]

Originally Posted by SCOTI

Ken, keep in mind he's running a 20/22 combo. If it had 20" Coys w/the 255/295 tire combo, it would sit flat. The 22's are @ least 1" taller....


Standard Coy's. 20x8.5's w/5.25"bs & 22x9's w/5.5"bs. He's also using the narrower pre 70 rear housing.

The trucks look great. I eventually plan on all 4 corners with 20" Boss 338's, so as you pointed out, my truck will have less rake but sounds like it will still have some. Now that i look at more picts, your right about having some rake. Got to pony up some more $ for the drop spindles i guess. The only thing left to consider is possibly saving some money by only doing the lower control arms and not the uppers. My stock uppers are fine. I did see that the CPP LCA's give an extra 5 degrees of camber. Does any one know if thats still the same if i only use the lower control arms? I will try Jeff at CPP tomorrow and ask him too. Dang email virus killed our email at work today. I am hoping the IT guys have it fixed by tomorrow. By the way, I talk like this is all my project. Truth is, its my sons first ride and he is calling the shots. Of course he will have to do the pony up part too! Ha, ha. He is 15 but has been around the car and motorcyle world since he was born because of me. Its in his blood for sure. I will go look for some pictures to show you all where we are at on the truck.

[SCOTI]

Originally Posted by Hottrucks

My mistake....the X will be 1/2" off but for only having staock control arms I think thats pretty good......

BUT

you still have the other issues to deal with.....I'm running stock tires (29"tall) and 6 lug 8" rallies and I'm going to have to take a good chunk out of the hood hindge and fender support..then I plan on using a 13" wide trailer fender to close things up

FTR, 29" is taller than stock.