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CollinH · 11-10-2010, 06:18 PM

I have a built 327 and i am debating on a 600 performance series edelbrock or a 650 thunder series....
what do you guys think?

ChevLoRay · 11-10-2010, 06:44 PM

There are a ton of folks here with opinions about what size and which carb to use. For me, I'm happy with the Edelbrock 750 cfm Q-Jet...but it is no longer available. In my opinion, the Q-Jet (from any source) that is a quality rebuild....is a good carburetor. The 275-horse 327 that was in my '67 Caprice was a great engine. So, I'm recommending a Q-Jet. Let's see what else shakes out of the group.

dmwphoto · 11-10-2010, 06:47 PM

I too will take the Q-Jet.

PanelDeland · 11-10-2010, 06:59 PM

I think for a street driven truck I would go with the 600.Usually a smaller cfm rating will get better throttle response at the more limited RPM's a street engine sees.

68Stepbed · 11-10-2010, 07:08 PM

I think you would be surprised what a 500 2-bbl Holley would do on that engine.

I personally don't like Edelbrocks. Never had any that ran right. I really like the Holley Street Avenger series carbs.

If you want a "performance" carburetor, look into the QFT Holleys.

Otherwise, the Q-jet would be an excellent carb, if it's built right.

llowlife · 11-10-2010, 09:09 PM

I'll put my Qjet against any other carb out there. It was built by the "carb shop". Dual plane manifold I "assume". Tuned a few Edelbrocks...not too impressed...and raced several Holleys....Nice but finicky sometimes

70jnktrk · 11-10-2010, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CollinH

I have a built 327 and i am debating on a 600 performance series edelbrock or a 650 thunder series....
what do you guys think?

Talk to Justin.. prostreetC-10

CollinH · 11-11-2010, 12:01 AM

i have a holley 750 but the power valve goes out to much but i am favoring to the 650 but thanks for the opinions

jrdv · 11-11-2010, 12:33 AM

I've got 4 edelbrock 1406's. Two are on work trucks used on the ranch everyday 365 days a year.
If you want something for putting your foot in it, get a holley ( tried holleys including a Truck Avenger ).

I have had good luck with the 1406. Easy to tune and easy to change springs and jets for altitude.
These things bounce around the ranch all the time and I hardly ever touch them except when I do a tune up and change plugs.

I do have an older holley 650 double feed ( not double pumper ) that is on my 71 shortwide. I haven't touched it in years and it has been on the truck since 1991.
I think sometimes you get a good carb and sometimes you don't, it doesn't matter what brand.

eldogg · 11-25-2010, 12:25 AM

No one asked about your cam specs? thats a VERY important factor in choosing the correct carb for your truck.

dznucks · 11-25-2010, 01:57 AM

A well tuned q-jet.......or a holley are your best options. don't go edelbrock.

jhwkns · 11-25-2010, 11:22 AM

Cam? Heads? Squarebore? Spreadbore? So many people believe that a big carb is going to make their engine run better. It's usually not the case. Unless you are commonly running over 7,500 RPM forget about anything over 600cfm. A Barry Grant Demon 525 would be a good choice for a mildly built 327. They're a good buy at around $300 at Jegs. I'm running a 390 Holley on mine. You would be surprised at the performance it provides.

C10longwb · 11-25-2010, 12:20 PM

What size heads do you have? A 600 should be plenty but me personaly I like simplisity of the deamon carbs check the road carbs they are very easy to tune any they run great if you have smaller heads the smaller carb u need we run a 750 on a 550hp 392 Windsor engine in our dragcar and it's plently carb for the setup
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piecesparts · 11-25-2010, 12:30 PM

I would consider what you want to do with your carb and truck. If all you are doing is daily driving, then a 600 CFM carb is undoubtedly a good size. If youare going to work it hard, the look for a larger carb. I ran an Edelbrock 750 CFM carb for awhile and found it to be a pain to manage on the street. It caused a lot of OVER-fueling issues and a lot f debris was left on my valves that should not be there. so,I chose a 650 CFM Thunder series AVS carb for my stroker engine and I will admit that it does not give me all of the top end power that I would (at times) like to have. However, I am getting a solid 15 MPG on a 385 stroker engine with 3.73 gears and a 700 R4 tranny. That is not exceptional, but it is really good for a 4000 lb truck and approximately 390 HP. If you are looking for a good all around GM style carb, the Q-jet design is the best, small primaries and large secondaries gives a good transition from cruise to power, but you will need to use a spread bore intake. I am thinking about the EZ EFI for my truck to get the capabilites on both ends and then possibly get more MPG from the stroker engine. My cam profile is what I have to match up to for this project.

prostreetC-10 · 11-25-2010, 12:30 PM

See how easy the choices are????

Ford....Chevy?
Polaris...Skidoo?
Honda...Yamaha?
Husq...Stihl?

People are going to have their favorites, usually based on past success, and that's what they will recommend. My love of Holleys is more than just what has worked for me in the past. I also like the one feature that they share with no other carb (FOR THE MOST PART). I can get cheap, small cfm carbs, and use the blocks, shooters, pumps, bowls, throttle shafts....etc to make 750+ cfm racing carbs. It's great to take a $50 600 double pumper, get a bare base and throttle blades, a 750 or bigger HP main body and build a $400 - $600 carb. Hard to do with the others. Doesn't mean they are not good carbs. Just doesn't work for my needs. The mods you can do on a holley with basic shop tools is pretty incredible!!

hchad18 · 11-25-2010, 12:30 PM

I have a 650 Holley DP on my mild 327. It performs better than the Edelbrock 1405 I had on it, but I have had to put smaller jets in it to get it right.

redbaron69 · 11-25-2010, 12:30 PM

another vote for the q-jet. i have had good luck with them over the years and preform well on a mild daily driver motor. keep the cfm small,(500-600) too many people over do it when it comes to picking a carb.

Sport/Truck · 11-25-2010, 01:17 PM

I vote for q-jet too. If you want a install it and forget it setup you can contact some quality builders like Sean Murphy Induction.
I've been really happy with my stage II.
s/t

prostreetC-10 · 11-25-2010, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sport/Truck

If you want a install it and forget it setup you can contact some quality builders like Sean Murphy Induction.

hmmm.....I'm running TWO Holleys side by side and don't find myself thinking about them at all.

Man....imagine a tunnel ram with dual Q-jets. Can you say A$$ x 2???

Sport/Truck · 11-25-2010, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prostreetC-10

hmmm.....I'm running TWO Holleys side by side and don't find myself thinking about them at all.

Man....imagine a tunnel ram with dual Q-jets. Can you say A$$ x 2???

Sean sells Holleys too.

prostreetC-10 · 11-25-2010, 03:50 PM

I'm just having fun here! Really...the only problem I have with Q-jets are their looks. You get past that and they are a great carb. I can't get past the looks though. Holley is the coolest looking carb ever built. Just ask Barry Grant.....that's why he basically copied the darn thing. Good changes though.

llowlife · 11-25-2010, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prostreetC-10

I'm just having fun here! Really...the only problem I have with Q-jets are their looks. You get past that and they are a great carb. I can't get past the looks though. Holley is the coolest looking carb ever built. Just ask Barry Grant.....that's why he basically copied the darn thing. Good changes though.

Yes but I own an ugly truck and it tops the ugly motor off perfectly

oldblue1968chevy · 11-25-2010, 04:51 PM

^lol funny

kellytheaker · 11-25-2010, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CollinH

I have a built 327 and i am debating on a 600 performance series edelbrock or a 650 thunder series....
what do you guys think?

personally i prefer stock , and in real time driving , going to and from you will find GM and its team of engineers gave you a motor cam carb that was bullitproof and ran excellent . So to call this short q jet cleaned and stock cam within close proximity to Gm spec and you will always ahve a nice running fuel efficient lots of vacuum for brakes - just my 2 cents

71meangreenc10 · 11-25-2010, 10:07 PM

Love 1406's easy to tune, simple to rebuild. Never had luck with holleys, wont use them if you gave them to me.

Got a 1406 on the GMC, 1405 (manual choke) on the burb....Q-Jet on the shortbed, once it goes out a 1406 will go on.

Smitty

11-10-2010, 06:18 PM	#1
CollinH Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: East Wenatchee, Wa Posts: 30	Buying a carb I have a built 327 and i am debating on a 600 performance series edelbrock or a 650 thunder series.... what do you guys think?

11-10-2010, 06:44 PM	#2
ChevLoRay Old Skool Club Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Benton, AR "The Heart of Arkansas" Posts: 10,880	Re: Buying a carb There are a ton of folks here with opinions about what size and which carb to use. For me, I'm happy with the Edelbrock 750 cfm Q-Jet...but it is no longer available. In my opinion, the Q-Jet (from any source) that is a quality rebuild....is a good carburetor. The 275-horse 327 that was in my '67 Caprice was a great engine. So, I'm recommending a Q-Jet. Let's see what else shakes out of the group. __________________ Member Nr. 2770 '96 GMC Sportside; 4.3/SLT - Daily driven....constantly needs washed. '69 C-10 SWB; 350/TH400 - in limbo The older I get, the better I was.

11-10-2010, 06:47 PM	#3
dmwphoto Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Richmond, Va Posts: 573	Re: Buying a carb I too will take the Q-Jet.

11-10-2010, 06:59 PM	#4
PanelDeland I am a Referee of life. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Greensboro N.C. Posts: 13,992	Re: Buying a carb I think for a street driven truck I would go with the 600.Usually a smaller cfm rating will get better throttle response at the more limited RPM's a street engine sees. __________________ The 47-present Chevrolet and GMC Truck Message Board Network,it's owners,moderators,members,and associates of any type should not be held responsible for my opinion. You can't fix stupid,not even with duct tape. "My appearance is due to the fact that "GOD" does punish you for having too much fun!" Barrett-Jackson has perfected alchemy,they make rust into gold! "You can lead a horse to water but you can't saddle a duck" "Cleverly disguised as a 'Responsible Adult' "Sometimes your Knight in shining armor is just a retard in tinfoil"

11-10-2010, 07:08 PM	#5
68Stepbed Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 10-Uh-See Posts: 5,609	Re: Buying a carb I think you would be surprised what a 500 2-bbl Holley would do on that engine. I personally don't like Edelbrocks. Never had any that ran right. I really like the Holley Street Avenger series carbs. If you want a "performance" carburetor, look into the QFT Holleys. Otherwise, the Q-jet would be an excellent carb, if it's built right. __________________ Matt 68 C10 stepside, LS1/700R4, TCI Engineering suspension system Last edited by 68Stepbed; 11-10-2010 at 07:12 PM.

11-10-2010, 09:09 PM	#6
llowlife Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Elgin Mn Posts: 112	Re: Buying a carb I'll put my Qjet against any other carb out there. It was built by the "carb shop". Dual plane manifold I "assume". Tuned a few Edelbrocks...not too impressed...and raced several Holleys....Nice but finicky sometimes __________________ In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, brave hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him , for then it costs nothing to be a patriot. I am a revolutionary...so my son can be a farmer...so his son can be a poet. If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, so my child may have peace... 72 short step w/ 388 /4l80e/ and 3.08 gears. Last edited by llowlife; 11-10-2010 at 09:10 PM.

11-11-2010, 12:01 AM	#8
CollinH Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: East Wenatchee, Wa Posts: 30	Re: Buying a carb i have a holley 750 but the power valve goes out to much but i am favoring to the 650 but thanks for the opinions

11-11-2010, 12:33 AM	#9
jrdv Registered User Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: new mexico Posts: 948	Re: Buying a carb I've got 4 edelbrock 1406's. Two are on work trucks used on the ranch everyday 365 days a year. If you want something for putting your foot in it, get a holley ( tried holleys including a Truck Avenger ). I have had good luck with the 1406. Easy to tune and easy to change springs and jets for altitude. These things bounce around the ranch all the time and I hardly ever touch them except when I do a tune up and change plugs. I do have an older holley 650 double feed ( not double pumper ) that is on my 71 shortwide. I haven't touched it in years and it has been on the truck since 1991. I think sometimes you get a good carb and sometimes you don't, it doesn't matter what brand. __________________ 1972 3/4T 4x4 Chevrolet (383) 1971 c-10 SWB (400 sb) 1972 4x4 Blazer 1969 SWB 4x4 GMC Projects: 1972 stepside 4x4 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=280132 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=285952 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=553672 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=522704

11-25-2010, 12:25 AM	#10
eldogg Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mooresville NC/Gainesville GA Posts: 499	Re: Buying a carb No one asked about your cam specs? thats a VERY important factor in choosing the correct carb for your truck. __________________ Eric Evans Queen City Shop Truck http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...34#post6139834 66 GMC http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=543110

11-25-2010, 01:57 AM	#11
dznucks Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Smyrna, Ga Posts: 1,647	Re: Buying a carb A well tuned q-jet.......or a holley are your best options. don't go edelbrock.

11-25-2010, 11:22 AM	#12
jhwkns Registered Cruiser Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 2,230	Re: Buying a carb Cam? Heads? Squarebore? Spreadbore? So many people believe that a big carb is going to make their engine run better. It's usually not the case. Unless you are commonly running over 7,500 RPM forget about anything over 600cfm. A Barry Grant Demon 525 would be a good choice for a mildly built 327. They're a good buy at around $300 at Jegs. I'm running a 390 Holley on mine. You would be surprised at the performance it provides. __________________ I intend to live forever. So far, so good.

11-25-2010, 12:20 PM	#13
C10longwb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 40	Re: Buying a carb What size heads do you have? A 600 should be plenty but me personaly I like simplisity of the deamon carbs check the road carbs they are very easy to tune any they run great if you have smaller heads the smaller carb u need we run a 750 on a 550hp 392 Windsor engine in our dragcar and it's plently carb for the setup Posted via Mobile Device

11-25-2010, 12:30 PM	#14
piecesparts Parts and more parts Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lebo, Kansas (middle of nowhere Posts: 6,821	Re: Buying a carb I would consider what you want to do with your carb and truck. If all you are doing is daily driving, then a 600 CFM carb is undoubtedly a good size. If youare going to work it hard, the look for a larger carb. I ran an Edelbrock 750 CFM carb for awhile and found it to be a pain to manage on the street. It caused a lot of OVER-fueling issues and a lot f debris was left on my valves that should not be there. so,I chose a 650 CFM Thunder series AVS carb for my stroker engine and I will admit that it does not give me all of the top end power that I would (at times) like to have. However, I am getting a solid 15 MPG on a 385 stroker engine with 3.73 gears and a 700 R4 tranny. That is not exceptional, but it is really good for a 4000 lb truck and approximately 390 HP. If you are looking for a good all around GM style carb, the Q-jet design is the best, small primaries and large secondaries gives a good transition from cruise to power, but you will need to use a spread bore intake. I am thinking about the EZ EFI for my truck to get the capabilites on both ends and then possibly get more MPG from the stroker engine. My cam profile is what I have to match up to for this project. __________________ Frank

11-25-2010, 12:30 PM	#15
prostreetC-10 My Carbon Footprint Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Orygun Posts: 5,527	Re: Buying a carb See how easy the choices are???? Ford....Chevy? Polaris...Skidoo? Honda...Yamaha? Husq...Stihl? People are going to have their favorites, usually based on past success, and that's what they will recommend. My love of Holleys is more than just what has worked for me in the past. I also like the one feature that they share with no other carb (FOR THE MOST PART). I can get cheap, small cfm carbs, and use the blocks, shooters, pumps, bowls, throttle shafts....etc to make 750+ cfm racing carbs. It's great to take a $50 600 double pumper, get a bare base and throttle blades, a 750 or bigger HP main body and build a $400 - $600 carb. Hard to do with the others. Doesn't mean they are not good carbs. Just doesn't work for my needs. The mods you can do on a holley with basic shop tools is pretty incredible!! __________________ A quick "pedalfest" *Still getting loose (carb test)* 496 Initial fire up video!

11-25-2010, 12:30 PM	#16
hchad18 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 372	Re: Buying a carb I have a 650 Holley DP on my mild 327. It performs better than the Edelbrock 1405 I had on it, but I have had to put smaller jets in it to get it right.



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11-25-2010, 12:30 PM	#17
redbaron69 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: marion nc Posts: 588	Re: Buying a carb another vote for the q-jet. i have had good luck with them over the years and preform well on a mild daily driver motor. keep the cfm small,(500-600) too many people over do it when it comes to picking a carb. __________________ 69 short fleet 350/350 "under construction" 70 short step 307/3 speed

11-25-2010, 01:17 PM	#18
Sport/Truck Sierra Grande Club Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New Mexico USA Posts: 2,433	Re: Buying a carb I vote for q-jet too. If you want a install it and forget it setup you can contact some quality builders like Sean Murphy Induction. I've been really happy with my stage II. s/t __________________ 1971 GMC Sierra Grande, 1/2 ton short wide, original 4 bolt 010 020 block & heads. (matching #'s). 383 stroker, SMI q jet 750 cfm, Lunati Voodoo 60102 cam, Scorpion roller rockers, Spin Tech pro street mufflers with X pipe.

11-25-2010, 03:50 PM	#21
prostreetC-10 My Carbon Footprint Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Orygun Posts: 5,527	Re: Buying a carb I'm just having fun here! Really...the only problem I have with Q-jets are their looks. You get past that and they are a great carb. I can't get past the looks though. Holley is the coolest looking carb ever built. Just ask Barry Grant.....that's why he basically copied the darn thing. Good changes though. __________________ A quick "pedalfest" *Still getting loose (carb test)* 496 Initial fire up video!

11-25-2010, 04:51 PM	#23
oldblue1968chevy Grandpa in the rustmobile... Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Spokane WA/Viola TN Posts: 11,422	Re: Buying a carb ^lol funny __________________ John Goose-1968 C10 355,9.32-1CR, Vortec Heads ,262 voodoo, 3.73:1 3OTT (HS ride/beater/farm truck) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=317684 Grams 53-1953 Chevrolet Belair http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=1#post4327784 1969 Chevy C10 Shortbed 4.5/6?" Frame off resto http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=548136 1999 Toyota Tacoma 4x4

11-25-2010, 10:07 PM	#25
71meangreenc10 Its a Truck Thing...... Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona Posts: 3,179	Re: Buying a carb Love 1406's easy to tune, simple to rebuild. Never had luck with holleys, wont use them if you gave them to me. Got a 1406 on the GMC, 1405 (manual choke) on the burb....Q-Jet on the shortbed, once it goes out a 1406 will go on. Smitty __________________ 71 C10 283/3SPD Full Resto 71 GMC 1500 Sierra Grande http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=518599 70 C10 Suburban Former military GSA truck. 72 Chevy Blazer 4X4, Sloppy Jo, Mountain Climber. Wife says no more trucks. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=707378 72 GMC 1 Ton Motor Home, wife said no more trucks until she saw this one. Gen 3 6.0/4L80E 4.10 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=761110 68 GMC Suburban was 3/4 ton, now 1/2.Wife shook her head 71 C30 Wrecker 71 C20 Scott-Bilt As weird as it gets..BB Cheyenne AC Truck 68 GMC Long Stepside. They keep following me home 69 C30 Former Motor Home, Flat Bed time 70 G20 Red-E-Kamp Conversion "I'm your Boogy Van"

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